Supreme Court finally gets it right

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Congratulations to the Supreme Court for it's decision in the DOMA case. The Bill Clinton signed bill was bad legislation to begin with and Clinton should have vetoed it.

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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/26/supreme-court/ one version of the story, i'm sure they will be others available before the day is out.

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1 question would be ,will there be states that will not enforce this.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Another example of the will of the people being struck down by an arm of the government. Who cares if citizens in states like Ohio and California have voted that they don't want gay marriage. Time for a Constitutional amendment.

agree 100%

deere1

That's why the Federal Government is there to strike down legislation that's unconstitutional. States have rights, but they don't have absolute rights on everything. If they did there would be states whose laws would allow slavery and the right to wage war against another country.

Actually the court didn't strike down anything the state proposed.

The CA State court struck down Prop 8, the court returned the case to them so the lower court ruling sticks. The Fed didn't strike down anything the state did. The state court overturned it.

Now the Defense of Marriage Act WAS struck down but this was federal law. In it they actually reaffirmed states rights. States that don't recognize gay marriage still don't have to, the Fed Gov't now MUST recognize anything that the states do.

I am dealing with a Marine who was married in a state that allows for same sex marriage. He can be forced to move to a state that doesn't recognize it and while he may not be eligible for state benefits the Fed Gov't must extend all benefits to him because he was married and holds residency in a state that recognizes his marriage.

MikeyA

Besides needing 2/3rds approval from both houses of Congress and 3/4ths approval of the state legislatures in the country to pass an amendment, opinion polls and the 2012 election results indicate the majority of Ohioans and Americans now support gay marriage.

While we're on the subject, I have to ask: Why do you care if two guys get a marriage license? Is it detrimental to you in some way?

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

Where did I write that I had an issue with two guys getting married?

Notice that I didn't quote you saying you had an issue with gay marriage, I asked a question related to the topic of this post and your response. Feel free to answer it at your leisure. Or don't. It's up to you.

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

DOMA passed the House and Senate with more than a 2/3rds majority. It would have been returned to Congress and they would override his veto. Sure, he could have vetoed it as a symbolic gesture, but symbolism & $3.50 will get you a tall latte from Starbucks.

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

but knew that would make him look like the moron he was and is.

You are only officially a Libertarian on some issues?

I could be wrong, but I thought self-described Libertarians did not approve of judicial activism? I know Ron Paul doesn't. But then again, he also is a sort of hybrid combination of conservative and libertarian. He doesn't sanction immorality, to my knowledge.

I do know that 100% real Libertarians don't adhere to moral norms - but when a Libertarian says something is "right"... they are claiming that there ARE INDEED moral absolutes (aren't they?)... but that they - the Libertarians - are the arbiters of what is right and what is wrong in the world and universe in general.

Additionally, this Court decision stomps all over the civil liberties of those who voted in fair elections that marriage was between a man and a woman only. Where are THEIR rights, freedoms and liberties?

So Libertarians believe in some freedoms, but not others? By and large, libertarians don't win significant elections, because they can never decide exactly who they are.

Additionally, this Court decision stomps all over the civil liberties of those who voted in fair elections that marriage was between a man and a woman only.

It doesn't change the status of marriages in states that do not allow same sex marriage. I suggest you curtail your moral outrage until you've actually read the ruling.

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

I think she was referring to California where the voters voted to uphold traditional marriage twice but the state court invalidated the law. SCOTUS only punted that decision back into the state courts.

MikeyA

Handbanana: Your chastising someone for not reading is ironic considering you jumped to unrelated conclusions on my post (because you apparently didn't read it).

Why even bother to have marriage?
Originally a religious ceremony joining a man and a woman in the presence of God for the purpose of procreation. Now made into a joke by a people who have foresaken God. The same God you run to when there is a school shooting (the school God is not allowed in), or a bombing or terrorist attack. You pray to God in one breath and insult him in the next and wonder why....You allow, even condone the killing/murder of innocent unborn life, yet plead for your own, and never think to repent from evil, sinful behaviors.

You want to be saved without accepting our Savior Jesus Christ.

Live your lives with your last days in mind. Keep them in your minds always.

Please come to know Jesus before your last days arrive.

Steven

Do you believe in the rapture?

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Do you believe in heaven.....because it is certain that you will die....sometime....somehow.

Where will you be at that moment. Eternity...with God or ....not?

At what point do you face these truths.

You did not answer my question, do you believe in the rapture???? Yes I believe that Heaven will be here on Earth..

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

that DTOM's question is an attempt to start an argument about a theological point & don't blame you for not taking the bait.

But for DTOM's benefit, I would have answered like this. I believe that the Bible is true. That the historical accounts are the truth, and there for our benefit. For instance, the book of Judges includes a lot of violence, and gives the reason for all that violence: Everyone did what was right in their own eyes. In other words, lawlessness prevailed.

I would have also answered that I believe ALL prophetic scripture, including what Paul wrote in Thessalonians. It is not called, in scripture, "the Rapture". So the question for DTOM is - if you are going to ask loaded, baiting questions of a religious nature - you need first to state precisely how much of the Bible you believe and/or don't believe. Because you didn't do that, Steveo was exactly correct in not responding.

That;s the central question of life for everyone. Do they believe the Word of God or not?

I put more credibility in the Canterbury Tales than the book that's called the bible.

had many Christian friends who were praying for him in his last illness. If memory serves, he was adamant about not believing God to the end of his life. That decision every individual has to make for him or herself.

Christians lack tolerance and they genrally are very mean people. I do believe in God. I just think the Bible, which was written and abridged by power barons, is too metaphorical and vague to have any true meaning in many cases.

Zey

How can you believe in God, but not his word. What Bibles are you talking about?

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Easy. The Bible contains the words of men who say they were inspired by God. Most people couldn't read during the times the Bible was written. By the time people learned to read the Bible was written and re-written in such a way it could be interpreted whichever way the power barons wanted in order to control the masses. The word of God was passed onto me by my parents. Some of the most evil people that ever lived and some who live today use the Bible to rob, cheat, kill and steal. Go to church on Sunday and watch the pulpit. Evil may be right in front of you.

Zey

Your correct about people,i.e pastors, christians, preachers, so called, that use the Word to lie, cheat, and steal. God wants us to study deeper just for the reason you stated about inserting mans traditions into the Word. If you study the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts you can get the true meanings for some of the translations that are written by those who want to mislead us.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

"That the historical accounts are the truth, and there for our benefit."

Your benefit. It has nothing to do with me, and since that's my life we're discussing, my judgment in this matter will prevail.

History is told by the victors, not necessarily those who speak the truth.

There's no excuse for that anymore. Information now flows tens to hundreds of times more freely in most terms, across the world, than it did 1-2 generations ago. Computers and cameras and microphones are now everywhere. The victors may write history, but the losers are also writing history with equal fervor.

With talking about the Rapture? We debate everything else here. It is taught by many the Rapture that is. You said its not in scripture, your correct, its not mentioned, the word Rapture that is, but its taught. Some believe it ,some don't .Do you believe in the Rapture?? Do you know what the Rapture is about???

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

The Rapture is when human kind will destroy itself through greed, murder and destruction. Sounds like whats going on right now.

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"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

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