Level Of Ignorance Exhibited By Twila

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I haven't lost any so called Facebook "friends" over this, but found it humorous that purnhart has taken on a FB crusade to let her "friends" know about me and my racist attitudes. She uses as her example my posting from the other day about the size of the First Lady's backside. She ignores of course the story of course that CBS did on the phenomenom of hair care vs exercise in African-American women which is what I was referring to, but that's her narrative so I get it.
Her many "friends" of course without any prior knowledge of me or my background agree fully with her that I'm hateful, racist, picking on the First Lady etc etc. So be it. What Twerpa fails to realize is that FB "friends" are not real friends. They won't come bail you out of jail, spend time with you when you are sick, support you in tough decisions, give you counsel. I have people who do that for me, some of them Black, I'll take those real friends over her Facebook "friends" any day.

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Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Fred, you're not a racist. Did you remind them that you have a black Godson, wink wink?

Fred, there is a way you can stop this. Stop posting negative things about a few and giving the reader the impression you are trying to sterotype twenty million more people who may look like them. You must like this attention you are getting because you keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

That won't stop it. You and Twylla have prevented an honest discussion. You made a claim, Fred posted facts that disputed it, you and Twyillah started name calling.

That is not an honest discussion.

MikeyA

Who called who, what? Or should I ask, who called who a "you-know-what"?

Twilla called Fred and I racists.

Nothing remotely racist was said. Anyone can look it up.

She just didn't like what we were saying and because she didn't like it and we are white she went to her goto which is to cry racism. People like her is why the younger generation think of racism as a joke. It's sad.

MikeyA

You assume I expect a different result. I do not. Expecting a different result would mean that I would expect you to learn from years of history, to understand that we are not governed by the past but must learn from it, that you would grasp the simple idea that the government is not responsible for you but you are responsisble for yourself. Until and if you ever learn that I wouldn't expect your reaction to be any different.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Because, supposedly free people are not put in iron chains anymore, you think slavery is over. Sterotyping, prejudice and discrimination is another way of enslaving people. Open up your mind, Fred and your ass will follow.

Please show where Fred or I stereotyped, prejudiced, or discriminated which then caused "enslavement" of anyone.

Or just show where he or I stereotyped, prejudiced, or discriminated.

MikeyA

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Since the battle of wits and knowledge has been lost by the opposing side, you are now being called a "racist".

So you're supposed to run away. That's the Libtard playbook and you are failing to play along.

You can't defend yourself against being called a "racist" by these racists because, apparently, EVERYTHING comes down to skin color.

Now please fall in line with these racists and accept it.

You're a racist because some person who cannot win an arguement using logic, facts and statistics called you a racist. And you cannot argue your way out of being called a "racist" because it would require you to say things that these small minded trolls can point to and say "SEE! HE SAID A RACIST THING!"

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

This why there will never be an intelligent discussion about race relations. Both sides will continue to point the finger at the other side. Shame, shame shame.

Is this too hard to understand.

Twilla accused Fred and I of making racist comments. You sat along silently.

I insist that while I made comments that you nor she like absolutely nothing I said was at all racist.

So simple question. Do you agree with Twilla that I am a racist and make racist comments?

This is not finger pointing. It is what she said. It is not an accusation, it is a matter of record and thus a fact.

MikeyA

I don't know if you or Fred are racist, but I do know that some of your post could be understood as racist remarks.

Oh really, specifically which ones.

MikeyA

ZC, what's the matter? Can you not answer my very easy question here?

MikeyA

I have provided information easy enough for the most primitive people to understand. Lift yourself up, my brother, and look right in front of your face.

Maybe you should provide information most regular people can understand, instead?

Twyla wins, Fred.and Mikey. She played both of you like a drum.

How?

She used to post here daily.

Many on here confronted her on her racist claims. She left here. She did the same at TT and Glass City Jungle. Ironically she left every community when people began confronting her. Just because she comes in here about once every other month and spews her crap doesn't mean she's successful. If anything the fact that she doesn't stay here shows that she does not win her arguments. The majority of liberals on here can't/won't defend her.

MikeyA

I'm not defending her either. With an open mild i am willing to admit the terrible atrosities this society has levied on the African American Community and other groups. Like i said before, the soon to be the minority needs to right the wrongs that enslaved free people, lynched and burned them for trivial pursuits and continues to try to banish them to a life of servitude, entertainers and gladiators. SHAME!, SHAME! SHAME!

So....

Apparently I've said things that someone could consider racist. But no one can tell me what that would be.

I'm starting to believe ZC is not the brightest crayon in the box.

MikeyA

It's obvious to me no facts will penetrate. Why waste time to explain anything. All you will do is say prove this, or prove that. Views that have been expressed are the typical denials characteric of not accepting accountability for the mis-deeds we all share. So, is Frederickthent and MikeyA racists, I say, probably, not, but the two of them shouild understand discussing race falls in the same category as discussing sex. religion and politics.

In other words, it isn't worth discussing at all. Nothing's going to be gained from such a discussion.

Actually Gman, I think Fred has proven and I've now backed up that ZC is not credible. You cannot take any of his claims at face value.

It's important to remember in future comments.

MikeyA

You've posted no facts. If you did they should be easily citable.

I've asked you what did I say that was remotely racist. You claim it "could be" read as racist. Ok, what "could be" read that way.

If it could be read that way I should be given a chance to clarify should I not?

So, is Frederickthent and MikeyA racists, I say, probably, not," Wow, what a chicken shit answer. You already stated, things we said "could be" racist. Now when we ask what "could be" racist you back away.

"Why waste time to explain anything." Well maybe a discussion board isn't the place for you. You should just go look at LOLcats.

ZC, here's the difference between you and me.

I am man. I stand on principle and I stand on what I say. That's why I can back it up and do. When people challenge me, I rise to the challenge. I don't try to slink out the door. I am bold and direct whereas you are very VERY passive aggressive. I am credible. You are not.

Good day to you and good luck.

MikeyA

But you do have to put forth credible evidence.

I have not seen posts by Fred or Mikey which are racist. Disagreeing with a minority or with a person who staunchly defends minorities in not racism. I disagree with Fred and Mikey A LOT. I have no evidence that either is anti-semitic because he disagrees with me and I happen to be Jewish.

The charge of racism fits many people, but it should be made judiciously. Otherwise those making the charge lose credibility whenever that charge is leveled by those people.

Thank you Dale for your kind words.

I like people who are passionate on either political side but I hate people who attack and offer nothing to support. I actually want to see a positive change in the black community but insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. I see this in the black community. That along with the degradation of the black family has aided it's Denise. Unfortunately I see nothing in my life that shows this will change. I pray my son will see the change in his lifetime.

I am Catholic but I don't consider Judaism a different faith. I pray to the same God and profits although I don't prescribe to the Old Testament law because I feel Jesus death is a new covenant and for that God turns his back on no one even if we turn our backs on God.

MikeyA

debate. I learn from what others post, when they have an open mind and a passion to seek the truth.
I have stated on this site before, and elsewhere, that I have been to innumerable houses of worship: churches, synagogues, Hindu and Buddhist temples, mosques. I have never left any of them feeling worse than when I walked in. I actually did my student teaching at St. Charles Catholic School at Airport Hwy. and S. Detroit. I would have had a teaching job there immediately following my student teaching, but the English teacher for whom I would have been subbing while she was on maternity leave, had a miscarriage. I did some subbing for her during her pregnancy while I was still a student teacher. I felt so sorry for her. She was a truly nice person and great to work with.
Officially, I follow the Reformed Jewish faith. My beliefs are closest to those of Thomas Jefferson, who had great skepticism toward all major religions. In a letter written in 1819, Jefferson stated that it would be good, "...if we could all...leave the subject as undefinable, we should all be of one sect, doers of good and eschewers of evil." Works for me!

Obviously, this time he forgot to admit he is wrong. He still has the opportunity to do so.

What do you think I am wrong about specifically?

Everything I've stated I've backed up or done so when challenged or asked.

And Dale is correct, when someone can prove me wrong I have no problem admitting it. It's why ask for citations. I have been proven wrong before and there have been times where someone has made claims I've systematically proven wrong.

Dale and I are very different and are politically and ideologically different, but we respect each other's knowledge. Dale has no problem citing just as I don't. Sometimes we both cite things that are contradictory. It doesn't mean it's wrong it means we both have a fundamental understanding of the issue and are willing to show why we believe what we do.

Now you say I'm wrong but you refuse to cite any specific instances. So one must deduce that I'm wrong simply because you believe it so. Well there are people who believe in the Loch Ness Monster, it doesn't mean it's true.

MikeyA

Credible evidence was provided by presenting Fred with titles of books and a ducumentary regarding African American History in the United States and Toledo. All of you have obviously decided to ignore that information. Other than going back in time in a time machine, I don't think any of you will believe anything.If we could back in a time machine , you'd probably distort what you witnessed so no one has to b e accountable.

You probably missed the post where I said I watched the documentary on WGTE. It's okay, you were blinded by your bigotry.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Did you read the books?

I'm going to reply the way you or twerpa would, here goes, tell me if I nail it.
Why would I read a book with a one sided Liberal opinion on race relations? I lived in Detroit so I know what happened in real life, I don't need some ivory tower educator to explain to me what happened with Urban Renewal. Your racist assumption that as a White person I haven't already read those books only highlights your own bigotry toward my race and it's peoples on non color. Why not go eat a sandwich. You aren't the same poster you used to be, I remember when you were more reasonable, but now your prejudices cloud your posts. I try to stay away from here and have found many new Facebook friends where the discourse is civil.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

It's sad how much you nailed this on the head.

MikeyA

I'm not surprised by your response. Negative, negative negative. Anger Management classes may help you.

Anger Management only works for people who are angry.

You should watch the documentary "Anger Management" and it will show you.

MikeyA

Indeed I used to be and still am a resonable poster. Your idea of reasonable is obviously different than mine. You spew out very one-sided positions on issue and when someone disagrees with you they are classified as unresonable. I puposely reommended books to you that where not one-sided because I knew you wouldn't read them. You may recall I recommended to you the Encyclopedia Brittanica and The Encyclopedia of African American History, two publications mostly written by Whites. You also seem to think what you witnessed in Detroit is a rubber stamp for everything in history. You totally discount the experiences of other people who witnessed a different reality. I quess what you think and say is the the only things that count. There is a word for this, DENIAL.Also, you asked for information or proof. It was not an assumption that you hadn't already read them. If you did read them it didn't do much good.

I just got done reading the whole Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Here's my summary: you are wrong about Urban Renewal being caused by the GOP.

BTW, did you know that bees hate the smell of kerosene?

MikeyA

Sure you did, Fred. You must have an enormous amount of free time on your hands.

Speed reading saves time.

MikeyA

All 26 volumes in one or two weeks is phenominal. I'm afarid of Fred.

You do realize you are responding to Mikey and not Fred, don't you?

Yes.

I think it's time we all realize that Twyla is a powerful force on SB, elected by Frederickthent. The fact he it was so necessary to create an article about her demonstrates how important some may feel that she needs to be so harshly sruntinized. Or, maybe it is felt that her words are words of wisdom that some want to discredit because there may be some truth in what she says that exposes the twisted mentality of some of the Swamp Bubblers.Whatever the reasons are, I'm sure Twyla should bask in here position of notiriaty. History shows that people who have expressed great wisdom are harshly punished, socially and polictically. So I ask the question, is Twyla being made into a martyr?

YES, that's the plan. Damn, you figured it out. Next we want to make you a martyr.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

I love it when you respond so quickly. Heh, heh, heh, heh!

yeh you caught me at a good time, I was still at the station. going down for my nap now though so don't expect anything for at least an hour. by then you may have found that website where you found the story about barry goldwater.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

I am searching for it so that I can share it with you.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Negative, negative, negative!

You really need to listen to the words in this song Zeyad, they describe you and Twylia perfectly. It's a song about people talkin' the talk but not really accepting other people of color for their choices. Give it a real listen maybe just read the lyrics while you are looking for that Goldwater article.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

I found the article in the journal written by Velma D. Jordan. You can google her name and maybe you can find the quote. I did listen to the video and again I say to you, negative, negative, negative! You obviously like it because it is a rallying cry for your distorted agenda.

Do you even know who Gil Scott-Heron is?He is an erudite, intelligent spokesman for the Black experience. So you are saying that he and I are rallying for the same thing. I would agree but I think if you really knew and what Gil was all about you'd disagree just because of your distorted view. It's a shame you can't just post a link for the quote, obviously it doesn't exist in a form you can find except in your clouded memory.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

My so-called clouded memory is based on actual experiences which I know are factual and accurate..

I did not leave here nor did I do the same at TT or Glass City Jungle, whatever the same is. Successful? Successful at what? What I see is you and Fredtheentertainer commandeering the conversation in the Swamp and not leaving room for any real discussion before you begin calling names and using other deterrents to a good conversation. That is why I don’t usually participate, nothing to do with being run off of this blog. The fact that I don’t stay here is that I have heard you two enough to know it is not worth spending any time trying to refute the racist, nonsensical rhetoric that substitutes for real dialog. Why would I need a liberal to defend me? I am a progressive Independent and no one needs to defend me. I can pretty well defend myself.

Zeyadcharles, “Don’t taze me bro!”……your comment, “ I have personnally dealt with Twyla and I choose to totally ignore most of what she says.” Is either a red herring or simply not true. The fact that you have “personally dealt” with me (Twila)……..hmmmm….wonder where that could have been and what dealing with someone means….You don’t need to explain, that statement just caught me a little off guard. I just hope you haven’t gone over to the dark side……lol

I am sorry twilla but I did not see where you could show me where I outed and attacked your son on here despite you saying it's so.

I accept quotes and links.

MikeyA

Maybe I should start calling myself Lord Darth Vader.

"""""Do you even know who Gil Scott-Heron is?He is an erudite, intelligent spokesman for the Black experience"""""" Sorry but the "black experience" is not monolithic and no one person can speak to the "black experience" in a vacuum or alone....SMH!

Yeh that should have been "from" the Black experience. my fat fingers. he's like zayed in that way in that what he says is based on "actual experiences which he knows are factual and accurate."

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Fred, you should relaize that all the bad things that happen to minorities in this country, which are caused by White Americans, are perceived by many, many White Americans to be all isolated incidents. In your eyes those incidents don't represent White America, but let a minority commit a bad act of any kind and White America is ready to string them up. If they can't find the guilty party White America will string up the first minority they find. This is the history White America has lived and written, and the astrocious history minorities have endured. Your attitude is very typical of what many, many White Americans have - Denial, Denial, Denial! The more White America denies their bad behavior the more minorities will press the issues.

ZC you need to realize that the crimes committed upon black people is by in large committed by other black people. Last time I saw the stat it was in the high 70's. So unless you can prove there is a group of white people controlling the actions of black people your argument is then false.

MikeyA

Mikey, here you go again. Prove this, prove that. I understand that the statistics show that crimes on Black people are usually committed by Black people.The batterings, lychings and burning of Black people must have been done by Black people in white-face. Denial, Denial Denial!

ZC

ZC,

The large bulk of both Black Americans and White Americans were born after the civil rights movement. The current median age is 35 = 1978. That means half of the country wasn't even alive and a clear majority were too young to be a part of it.

This is who you are blaming when you make comments like that.

Did a portion of White Americans commit atrocities on the Black population before the civil rights movement? Yes. Does it have any bearing on the failures of the black population today? No.

I am not denying the history at all. What I am saying is it does not apply to today. In fact, the Black American family has detioriated even more than in 1978, 13 years after the Civil Rights Amendment. There is no reason for the deterioration we've seen for the Average Black American today, who BTW is younger than the Average American today.

MikeyA

You have a selective memory. Is wasn't too long ago some whites in Texas tied a rope around the feet of a Black man and then dragged him down a country road decapitating him. Past behavior predicts future behavior.

Zayed-"Past behavior predicts future behavior." In his memoirs "Dreams from My Father," President Obama stated that he "drank heavily" and "tried drugs enthusiastically." How long before the President does both again Zayed?

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

You also have a selective memory. It wasn't too long ago some blacks in Kentucky tortureed and murdered Channon Christian and Chris Newsom.

Here's the VILE details of the DAYS LONG rape, torture and murder of Channon and Chris, NOT for the faint of heart.

"Christopher Newsom was raped over and over again (semen was found in his anus) and sodomized with an unknown object. He was blindfolded, gagged, and bound at the hands and feet. After several nightmarish hours, Newsom was either walked barefoot or dragged out to the railroad tracks where he was shot in the back of the head execution-style. The assailants shot him two more times (in the back and in the neck). Then Newsom's corpse was doused with gasoline and lit on fire."

"For Channon Christian, the torture was even worse. She suffered days of sexual abuse in the Chipman home. She was beaten mercilessly and raped numerous times, suffering excruciating injuries to her mouth, vagina, and anus. Forensic pathologists found that not only was Christian raped by her captors, but she had been penetrated with an object as well (possibly a chair leg, according to the Knox County Medical Examiner). In addition, examiners found that a chemical (likely bleach) had been poured down her throat and in her wounded genital areas — while she was still alive. The coroner reported that Christian was then tied up with torn strips of bedding, her head covered in a white garbage bag — and then the whole body stuffed in five larger trash bags before being thrown into a garbage can. Perhaps the most horrifying finding was that Christian was still alive at the time; her death came after the slow process of suffocation in that trash container."

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/christian-...

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

And what happened to the men who committed that crime?

One was executed, the other is on death row, and the third was convicted of murder and given life and only is allowed out of his cell for one hour a day.

So that is why the Black family has deteoriated? As I have shown in this post that today racism and racist crimes are not tolerated.

MikeyA

Not to get off topic, but the topic is about the ignorance of "Twila." Can either one of you twins explain why you continue to disparage my name. I know Fred is the one who began this doing, using, Twilla, Twyla, Te'o, twerpa and other names and Mikey has joined the fray (as usual). What joy comes from this exercise? Silly wabbits! ZC, I see where you use Twyla. Is there a reason for the use of Twyla instead of Twila? Just asking...I've been called worse and you can call me whatever you please, just don't call me late for lunch!

I'm not disparging your name, I'm just enjoying F- ing with Fred and Mikey.

You accused me months ago of attacking and outing your son. You still have not retracted the statement or provided one link or quote to prove it. I have provided several that countered your statement.

So why would you think you deserve any respect from me?

BTW, I actually liked your son. I wish he were still posting on here. I'd recommend he do it under another screenname than his last. But I found him to be intelligent and polite even if his mother is neither.

MikeyA

As a fat person I can say this.....It doesn't look like anyone called you late for lunch EVER!

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

I'm six foot tall and weigh 185 pounds, but I do love a good meal consisting of veal sweetbreads with a rich wine sauce. I had some sweetbreads for lunch yesterday, Fred. What kind of sandwich did you have.

you know what they say to bullies, "sticks and stones......

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