Judge them by the content of their character

http://www.wwltv.com/news/crime/NOPD-4-shot-on-MLK-and-LaSalle-in-Centra...

Five teenagers were shot in the Central City neighborhood of New Orleans shortly after Monday's Martin Luther King Day parade moved passed the area.

Police spent the afternoon collecting evidence and shell casings outside a grocery at Martin Luther King and LaSalle.

An abhorent way to celebrate MLK Day.

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It's an obvious statement--Martin Luther King, Jr., would probably be very disappointed in the lack of progress that blacks have made since his death. Sure, we have a president who had an African father--that's a significant step; but how about the black population as a whole?

For the last 50 years, blacks have been given preferential treatment for everything from college enrollment to employment opportunities. But still the following statistics on blacks are reported by the U.S. Census Bureau:

**72% of black babies are born to unmarried mothers
**1 out of every 5 black households live in poverty
**Nearly 50% have never married
**Only 52% of black males graduate from high school in 4 years
**Unemployment rate for blacks is 14.3%
**7 times more murders are committed by blacks than whites

Trillions of taxpayers' dollars have been spent on education programs, housing programs, transportation programs, employment programs, parenting programs, child care programs, crime/safety programs, etc., etc.--and still the above statistics exist.

The moral to the story is that the problems with the black community cannot be solved by taxpayer money. Been there--done that. The answer is within the community itself. We should step aside and let the community figure it out.

Considering we have a president who is determined to bring us down to the lowest common denominator, we all have to focus on what we can control. That includes making sure you take every tax deduction you can; and instead of giving money to "charities" that focus on people who are already benefitting from government programs, do things that will help your own family.

How easily people forget the centuries of physical and mental slavery imposed on Black Americans and then calls an attempt at offering equality preferential treatment. America created a monster by putting free people in bondage and then sytemicatically and institutionally enslaving them again another 150 years. The Frakenstein Monster is on the loose and America is now appalled at its own creation. If there is a solution to this problem it escapes me. We all can see this circumstance clearly, but many deny it. At no time in my decades on this Earth have I ever seen any President critisized so harshly as President Obama. Most people, regardless of race or color, don't have the strength or stamina like he has to pull themselves up out of the septic tank of hell, but when they do, good old America tries to make sure any dreams they may have are extremely difficult or impossible to achieve. America, wake-up. When America plants squash it shouldn't expect to harvest tulips. I pray the future of Black American doesn't evolve into the movie theater and school massacres like the slave-master wanna-be's have.

The attitude that you display in your comment is that blacks are incapable of making it in the American society. They are somehow inferior, "enslaved" and forced to live on the government dole.

We have a black president--proof that blacks CAN make it in the American society. Keeping that in mind, living on the government dole is a choice.

I'm assuming you were being facetious when you said that Obama is the most critized president. Until a movie is made depicting his assassination--Bush still holds that title.

Zeyadcharles demonstrates the stereotypical views of most liberals. His(her) comments imply that blacks come from slavery and don't have the intellectual wherewithall to break out of that past. That they must be given preferential treatment in order to make them "equal." That somehow a Columbia/Harvard educated president (whose family tree does not include American slavery and who was raised by white grandparents) had to pull himself "up out of the septic tank of hell" (?????).

The entire "created a monster/Frankenstein" scenario suggests that blacks can't think or act on their own and that whites must continually provide direction for this inferior culture.

As long as blacks choose to rely on the government for food, shelter, health care, child care, etc., they will continue to live in poverty.

It sure didn't take much for me to flush out at least two very closed minded individuals. The history of the United States speaks for itself. White America with its constantly changing rules won't take responsibility for its contribution to the problem. Discrimination has always been the tool to create snd substain underclasses. Most Blacks I know are very successful people and I am aware there are millions of successful African Americans. If you interview most of them they will tell you that their successes came with committment, encouragement and sacrifice. They not only had to overcome the challenges that come with being in a competitive world, but also had to overcome the subtle and blatant obstacles White America imposed on them just because they were African Americans. African Americans have to man-up and woman-up, but White America needs to realize they are accountable as well. Historically The African American community eventually emulates White America, the good and the bad. Example, drive-by shootings - Al Capone, Dutch Schultz. Bank Robbery - John Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd. Serial Killers - Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gasey. Con men - Bernie Madoff, Jim Jones. Again I say White America needs to man-up and woman-up and realize that the Frankenstein Monster is something they had a big part in creating. This monster is the spitting image of White America.

There are significant problems with your post.

"The history of the United States speaks for itself." SEVERAL other groups have fully assimilated and achieved success in American culture with less problems but faced the same discrimination. The Japanese were put in internment camps in WWII, at the same time African Americans were laying the ground work for the Civil Rights movement. They too have the "don't look like White America" problem. "Discrimination has always been the tool to create snd substain underclasses." So how did the

"White America with its constantly changing rules won't take responsibility for its contribution to the problem." Give an example please.

How do you suggest "White America" should "take responsibility"?

"Example, drive-by shootings - Al Capone, Dutch Schultz. Bank Robbery - John Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd." Looks like by your example we solved our "drive-by" problem before 1950.

Jim Jones, he was a member of the NAACP!

So maybe, you should look inward for your troubles. I would say the biggest problem today within Black America is the objectification of women, romanticism of the criminal element, and inability to maintain a family centric lifestyle. Those are not problems created by White America nor history. Those are modern day problems created within Black America by Black America.

MikeyA

White America did solve its drive-by shootings by 1950 and replaced it with massacres of patrons at movie theaters and grade schools. As far as other cultures succeeding, they came here on there own and not as slaves. I have to give them credt. They used their origins as a bond to collectiively succeed. What Black America has to do is break out of the Willie Lynch slave mentality passed on by generations and supported by White America. I saw that happening in the 1960's in Toledo. Black busineesses and groups were flourishing. When White American saw that, it was terrifying them. So, what they did was to tear down the areas flouroushing and called it Urban Renewal. All of you can call it what you want, but White America is the majority of the cause. All White America wants of Black Americans is for them to be in servitude, perform as entertainers and thrill them as gladiators. Unfortunately, White America will have to accept the fact that most Black Americans are not those things. Millons are busiinessmen, engineers, educators, lawyers, and law-abiding citizens. Regardless of the obstacles thrown at them they have endured and have been and will continue to be an asset to the United States of America. Even though I disagree with all of you, I repect your right to have an opinion, regardless how incorrect it is. God bless you and God bless America.

"White America did solve its drive-by shootings by 1950 and replaced it with massacres of patrons at movie theaters and grade schools." The difference is you don't see me blaming another group for the failures within my own.

Like say you with "Black busineesses and groups were flourishing. When White American saw that, it was terrifying them."

Who supports Urban Renewal? Is it Republicans or is it Democrats, who Black America supports to 85% voting? Again, how is White America to blame when Black America wholly supports the people who are enacting the policies you decry?

"All of you can call it what you want, but White America is the majority of the cause." How? So White America is making Black fathers leave their homes and commit Black on Black crimes?

"All White America wants of Black Americans is for them to be in servitude, perform as entertainers and thrill them as gladiators." Watch out Hispanic America, White America doesn't need you doing those meager jobs anymore, we're gonna make Black America do it! Seriously?

And you've supported nothing to your argument except Urban Renewal of which I successfully showed Black America supported by continually reelecting Dems.

MikeyA

Urban Renewal was started as an effort to rejuvenize poo,r run-down communities. The Democrats did that. Then, the Republicans got into office for the next eight years and saw it as a chance to move them so and so's out and scatter them to the winds. I applaud the Republicans, they did an excellent job.

Fact Check - Because of the ways in which it targeted the most disadvantaged sector of the American population, novelist James Baldwin famously dubbed Urban Renewal "Negro Removal" in the 1960s. 1961-1969 JFK and LBJ were in office.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Scattered to the winds?

Please cite. You are now just blathering because we've assailed your point at every turn because it is not fact based.

MikeyA

I lived in two cities in the 1960’s. Urban removal was accelerated by the Nixon Adminisration in both cities. Urban renewal was meant to rebuild, instead the Toledo Urban Renewal efforts tried to send displaced people to Spencer Sharples.

Ok so you can't back up what you say with facts.

Got it. We are done here.

MikeyA

Are you able to get even one fact correct? Spencer-Sharples High School operated independently from 1958 to December 31, 1967, and then as part of the Toledo Public Schools system from January 1, 1968 until 1980 when the school was closed and the student body was sent to Bowsher and Rogers high schools in Toledo.[3] Residents of the area were mostly resistant to having their identity wiped out and having to bus their children into Toledo. Part of the area was accepted into the Swanton school district, the other part (African-American) was absorbed into Toledo. Where is your proof of anyone being displaced to Spencer-Sharples? And all of this happened before Nixon took office in January of 1969

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

In 1970 a group of students and faculty were organized by the University of Toledo to study the Spencer Sharples Community and the Urban Renewal efforts going on in Toledo. It was confirmed by the team that the strategy to move people from the Urban Renewal areas to Spencer Sharples was in deed part of the plan. I was part of that team. You can throw your distortions out here all you want. What you demonsrate is that you continue to distort history in order to assert your perceived entitlement. If you keep telling un-truths long enough you will eventually believe it is fact, regardless what the actual people who were there and involved witnessed and experienced.The plan backfired. Displaced people moved to the Old West end and the Franklin/ Cherry Street areas, but thriving Black owned and operated businesses in the renewal areas never recovered. The economic genicide worked.

So again, in 1970 you started to study a problem which had been going on under JFK and LBJ. You found out that the Democrats wanted to move blacks out of the urban areas into Spencer Township. You ignore the fact that when Spencer and Harding Townships first combined their schools that it created Spencer-Sharples. When the school decided to close the people in Swanton chose to take the Spencer Township students (majority white) while the Harding Township students (majority black) would not be accepted into Springfield Township school system which of course left them to be absorbed into TPS. Spencer Sharples was a school district not a community or a neighborhood as you suggest. Almost all of the urban renewal came under the Great Society, and the riots in Toledo and Detroit happened under Dem rule which is what really destroyed Door St. and 12th St in Detroit.
If you have any facts that refute any of this please include in your next and hopefully final post.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Fact: The Republicans were in office in 1970, not the Democrats. When the Republicans got into office under Nixon that's when the Republicans and their brillance decided to modify the intent of Urban Renewal. If you want me to stop posting on this subject, all you have to do is post the truth and I will stop.

I've tried that it doesn't seem to work. You ignore the 10 years of JFK -LBJ urban renewal in an attempt to put the blame on Nixon for some odd reason. I lived in Detroit during those years and watched the city get torn apart piece by piece by urban renewal, I-75 , the riots.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Denial, denial, denial. Republicans always try to crush the disadvantaged. It's a ploy to make sure there are plenty of poor people to do the work for them. The Republicans did a superb job of tearing up Detroit and other cities, and scattering any political and economic power the ex-residents dreamed to have.

I get it now. You have been posting false information knowing that I would be able to prove you wrong easily which is what your real intent was. You WANT to show the Dems have screwed up cities like Detroit but you are afraid to say it for fear of being labeled racist.
So let's look at your last ignorant post. Since 1961 when Mayor Jerome Cavanaugh was elected with the overwhelming support of Detroit blacks the city has had Democrat Mayors and City Councils. In 1961 the population of Detroit was 1.6 million people both black and white. The population now is just over 700,000 predominantly black. Now according to you Republicans moved the blacks elsewhere but that can't be right because the population is mostly black in Detroit. The urban renewal took place in Detroit and was done under the leadership of JFK and LBJ with the support of Cavanaugh, Gibbs, and especially Coleman Young who was mayor for 20 years.
I get what you're doing now, it's brilliant. But don't be afraid to tell the truth about what happened. It doesn't matter if people call you racist. Really it doesn't.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Fred, you are too intelligent for your own good, dude. I'm not trying to sucker you into anything. You've done that all by your little old self. I'm just telling what I have seen and experienced. If you want to present us with information that comes from a parallel universe that allows you to create what ever reality you want, you should write a novel. White Americans consistently try and succeed at rewriting history to suit their own discriminatory agenda.Except, there are people like myself who know what the truth is and will tell it every chance we get.

Perfect response. Keeps people thinking you are either ignorant or choosing to ignore facts that are public record while citing none of your own. I can just hear Wolfman saying "you have learned well young jedi".
I love how you refer to known facts like census information and mayoral history as coming from a parallel universe, nice touch.
The only other explanation would be that since you've identified yourself as white and have been involved in urban renewal you might feel guilty for what you've done to blacks and are now ascribing your behavior to all whites to assuage your guilt. Either way it makes for fun reading.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

History is almost always written by the victors, not often by the losers. For years America hid evidence that disinfranchised people made contributions to America's successes.It wasn't until accurate documents and eye-witness accounts were discovered. For instance, Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, right. Records found in the 1960's showed that Eli Whitney did invent the cotton gin, but it was one of his slaves with the same name who actually invented it. Back then it was unlikely White America would give credit to any slave for an invention or other notable achievements. It's the same with blame. All a White American has to do is voice the blame on a non-White and off to the lynching tree they go, regardless what the truth is. America is changing and the past distorted history will be changed to the truth.

Not one person on here has suggested that blacks haven't been treated poorly as a people, or that credit for some inventions should have gone to them. SO WHAT?! How does that help those in need now. As for your posts you try to change history by blaming it on Republicans wanting to move them out and disperse them when in fact it was Republicans who supported Civil Rights Act, and Dems who made Urban Renewal a rallying cry.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Excuse me, I should define my labeling of Republicans. Republicans after 1900. Blacks used to be Republicans because Lincoln outlawed slavery, but that changed with FDR. When FDR intiated big public works projects Blacks were able to get some of the jobs. Eventually Blacks embarced the Democratic Party because the Party' ideals were more in line with freedom and equality. As a consequence, Whites went over to the Republican Party because it better suited the ideals of White Supremacy. In my book the Republicans never supported equality. I shall quote what Lincoln said to Fredrick Douglas, "It was my intent to make you free, not make you equal."

"As long as blacks choose to rely on the government for food, shelter, health care, child care, etc., they will continue to live in poverty."

Hey GI Smoe, don't YOU rely on the Govt. for your food, shelter and health care for you and your children? Are you black?

Fact Check - he provides a service to the Govt., military service, in return for whatever he gets. The Government in this case is his employer. Does the color of his skin matter to you Willard, or the content of his character?

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

In all actuality, it's a contract I have with the gov't. I allow the government the use of my mind and body and in turn the government agrees to keep it in same manner upon the day I signed the contract or compensate justly.

My contract with the government was renued indefinitely when President Obama selected my commission for augmentation to a full commission.

MikeyA

Mikeya , in other words your answering YES to my question. Thanks!

Actually no.

I ask only for that I rate. No more, no less. That which I rate, I've earned through time, sacrifice, and sweat. I want nothing free, I take nothing without giving. I do it without complaint. As long as the gov't holds up it's end of the bargain you will hear none from me.

I wish more people would serve their gov't as President Kennedy once said.

MikeyA

You provide a service for which you receive remuneration. I presume that you work hard enough at your job that you sleep well at night. Few government employees get rich, but they should receive reasonable compensation for their work.
Thank you, once again, for your service, Mikey. I've made it clear in other posts that I respect our men and women who serve so that we have the freedom to comment openly on sites like this one. One may not agree with government policies, but can still appreciate and respect those who serve.

Thank you Dale. I don't need thanks, the young Marines impress me enough to keep doing this job. I won't lie though, the mentality of the civilians I work with is getting to me. I have a countdown to retirement despite my wife wanting me to stay in for 30.

MikeyA

Fact check - Before you go out in public again, please wear that manzier that mr. magoo bought you :)

Willard if you're going to quote me why don't you actually quote me and not Swamppeople?

Or is the concept of quoting someone too difficult for you?

MikeyA

Sorry MikeyA, I wasn't quoting you. I was quoting a Bain retard previous to your post.

What I found interesting in his latest post was that despite knowing all of White America's faults he suggests that the Black American cannot figure out how to avoid the same pitfalls.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

I'm not suggesting that Black America cannot avoid the same pitfalls. The solution is simple. Raise your children to be law abiding citizens and get in White America's face and refuse to adopt their BS. It takes committment and strength, and millions are already doing it. When a few don't get the message and act like savages it's not representative of Black America. Most White Americans don't go out and murder theater patrons or ambush school children and most Black Americans don't do drive-bys.

We have a match made in well, not heaven. PURNHEART AND ZEYADCHARLES....

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

ZC

ZC,

I understand your frustration. What you need to realize is that Black America will NEVER improve unless it begins taking responsibility for it's own actions and begins taking care of it's own.

MikeyA

"refuse to adopt their BS." Which is........?

"and most Black Americans don't do drive-bys." the problem you're neglecting is most crimes against Black people are committed by.... Black people. You can't blame others when your own culture takes a dog eat dog mentality.

MikeyA

Here is the irony of your rant. I'm not Black. My ancestor immigrated from Germany and Scotland.

Apparently you don't know what is actual irony.

MikeyA

You are correct, I don't know what irony is, but I do know this; White America is addicted to the concept of Manifest Destiny. Once White America recognizes it is afflicted by this mental disorder, maybe they can begin treatment to cure it. Just think how great America would be if the whole country worked together.

It's just so racist either way to refer to "white america" or "black america"......what the hell is your definition of white america? is it the president?, the members of congress? a particular person? there is no one mind set fits all. i don't believe in manifest destiny, am i white america? if i'm not am i black america? your whole premise is based on a group of people undefined by you thinking and acting the same way. are you white america?

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

White America is a mind set characteristic of people from Western European Decent, and have Western Eurpean physical characteristics, believe that they shall rule anyone who doesn't think and look like them.They also try to exercise the notion that because they were born this way they are automatically entitled to everything and all others are only deserving of the crumbs. They also have the passion to be entertained. That is why they don't have too much of a problem watching non-White athletes and entertainers, except if a Larry Bryd or a Justin Beaver comes along and in their mind puts the universe back in order. It appears you are having a hard time understanding you have the disorder. Sincerly admit it and the cure may be within your reach. You say I'm referring to racists terms. Isn't that how you started this discussion?. You keep proving my point everytime you speak and everytime you write something regarding this matter.

That was a lot of words to which you said nothing at all.

Your time is prescious. Our lives have a limited number of seconds. You shouldn't waste yours or ours.

MikeyA

Only a person who is totally inundated with self would make such a statement Sounds like you need to listen more.

LOL

LOL, yep. I'm inundated with self. Hence why I live my life in the service of others something I was taught in high school to be a man for others.

In reality and not your fantasy world all I've advocated is for others to know thyself and seek self improvement and for those who have I heartily cheer and encourage them.

MikeyA

I wonder how many of these people are Obama voters http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/24/dispute-over-line-at-food-sta...

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

I wonder when Fredrickthent will post a a positive post about Black Americans. By his pattern, it appears only negative information may be available to him.

LIFE WITHOUT BLACK PEOPLE

A very humorous and revealing story is told about a group of white
people who were fed up with African Americans, so they joined together and
wished themselves away. They passed through a deep dark tunnel and emerged in

sort of a twilight zone where there is an America without black people.
At first these white people breathed a sigh of relief.

At last, they said, No more crime, drugs, violence and welfare.

All of the blacks have gone! Then suddenly, reality set in. The
"NEW AMERICA" is not America at all-only a barren land.

1. There are very few crops that have flourished because
the nation was built on a slave-supported system.

2. There are no cities with tall skyscrapers because Alexander Mils,
a black man, invented the elevator, and without it, one finds great
difficulty reaching higher floors.

3. There are few if any cars because Richard Spikes, a black man,
invented the automatic gearshift, Joseph Gambol, also black, invented
the Super Charge System for Internal Combustion Engines, and Garrett
A. Morgan, a black man, invented the traffic signals.

4. Furthermore, one could not use the rapid transit system because
its procurer was the electric trolley, which was invented by another
black man, Albert R. Robinson.

5. Even if there were streets on which cars and a rapid transit system
could operate, they were cluttered with paper because an African
American, Charles Brooks, invented the street sweeper.

6. There were few if any newspapers, magazines and books because
John Love invented the pencil sharpener, William Purveys invented
the fountain pen, and Lee Barrage invented the Type Writing Machine
and W. A. Love invented the Advanced Printing Press. They were all,
you guessed it, Black.

7. Even if Americans could write their letters, articles and books, they
would not have been transported by mail because William Barry invented
the Postmarking and Canceling Machine, William Purveys invented the
Hand Stamp and Philip Downing invented the Letter Drop.

8. The lawns were brown and wilted because Joseph Smith invented the
Lawn Sprinkler and John Burr the Lawn Mower.

9. When they entered their homes, they found them to be poorly
ventilated and poorly heated. You see, Frederick Jones invented the Air Conditioner

and Alice Parker the Heating Furnace. Their homes were also dim. But of
course, Lewis Lattimer later invented the Electric Lamp, Michael Harvey
invented the lantern and Granville T. Woods invented the Automatic Cut
off Switch.

Their homes were also filthy because Thomas W. Steward invented the
Mop & Lloyd P. Ray the Dust Pan.

10. Their children met them at the door-barefooted, shabby, motley and
unkempt. But what could one expect? Jan E. Matzelinger invented the
Shoe Lasting Machine, Walter Sammons! invented the Comb, Sarah
Boone invented the Ironing Board and George T. Samon invented the
Clothes Dryer.

11. Finally, they were resigned to at least have dinner amidst all of
this turmoil. But here again, the food had spoiled because another Black Man,

John Standard invented the refrigerator.

Now, isn't that something? What would this country be like without the
contributions of Blacks, as African-Americans?

Martin Luther King, Jr. said, "by the time we leave for work, Americans
have depended on the inventions from the minds of Blacks."

Black history includes more than just slavery, Frederick Douglass,
Martin Luther King, Jr., Malcolm X, and Marcus Garvey & W.E.B. Dubois.

Don't forget the great philosopher Lil' Jon who said "... no dick for your pussy only for your throat, bitch you ain't gettin no child support..."

His is a struggle to improve the family life amongst the Black community.

MikeyA

Boy now that is really something. It seems to put the lie to all the other bullshit you posted. Amazing what all these blacks did while enslaved. And now the heroes are Jay-Z, Fifty Cent, Snoop, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, LeBron. Too bad young black men and women aren't taught all this in any month other than Freduary

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Again you reinforce my point. You didn't mention Condeleeza Rice, Obama, Colin Powell, Thurgood Marshal, Oprah Winfrey, the Johnson products Family, and millions more good, law abiding Black people. None of these people are, or, were slaves. You so easily zero in on Black Americans who may have negative or controversial perceptions about them. Instead, you might be satisfied if Black Americans found heroes such as Bernie Madoff, Ted Bundy, George W. Bush, Roy Shelton, the Trench Coat Mafia, Richard Nixon, Bull Connor.

Isn't the Black community offended that Congress picked the shortest month of the year for "Black History Month"?

Or is it OK that Congress thinks that "Black History" can only fill 28 days?

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

It ain't the thickness of the book, it's what's in it.

He holds the GOP responsible. Why? Because he wants to. No other reason.

It became clear to me in the post previous to this last that he doesn't care about facts, only about what he precieves the truth to be.

MikeyA

You will never change the minds or the hearts of Fred, Mikey and the rest of the bigots on SB. The most you will accomplkish is that others (who don't comment) will read and learn. You have laid the groundwork to at least have them (Fred, Mikey, etc.) think about the true facts that you have given them but they will NEVER see past their racist mindsets. I feel sorry for their children and any children that they encounter on a daily basis. They will never see the light. These are the types of people who will have to die off before America will have true freedom and equality for all of its citizens. Sad....I used to spend hours on SB attempting to bring some semblance of sanity to the conversation. But these people are stuck in their ways and will NEVER change. Hard heads, can't see past their own failures...

Ok purnhrt facts like how you said I "outed" and "attacked" your son on here to which I quoted and linked here but yet you cannot produce one thing to support your claim?

What have I said that is bigoted or racist? You may not like what my view is or the way I say it but that does not make it bigoted or racist. Please give me a SPECIFIC example.

You or ZC could change my mind but neither can provide specific examples. Those vague examples ZC gave were both shown false by Fred to which ZC could not validate.

If anything the only racist is you because your opinion is based upon irrationality and not fact.

If I am wrong then prove it.

MikeyA

" Those vague examples ZC gave were both shown false by Fred to which ZC could not validate."

Fred provided his opinion. Why do you call Fred's opinions facts and my eye witness accounts and experiences not valid? It's denial, that's why. America is always ready to call non-Whites liars, but history shows White Americans constantly lie to non-Whites almost like it's a religion.

Why?

Well because: fact
/fakt/
Noun

A thing that is indisputably the case.
Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.

"America is always ready to call non-Whites liars, but history shows White Americans constantly lie to non-Whites almost like it's a religion." Once again, a vague generality.

It would be one thing if you quoted a fact and then supported it with your opinion and eyewitness account that is called anecdotal evidence. It, by itself, is not a "hard fact" but rather your interpretation of events. Again, not wrong, but not a indisputable fact.

For instance, wolfman was at the Lansing union rally. He said the RTW proponents were there causing a ruckus. His eyewitness opinion. Yet, the video evidence of this event does not support his version.

You said the Republicans used Urban Renewal to destroy the Black community. Yet as Fred pointed out Urban Renewal was a Democrat proposal and your account of the events took place months maybe even only weeks into a Nixon Presidency. You failed to show how the change from LBJ to Nixon led to changes within the Urban Renewal process. Fred on the other hand cited specific examples that can be date cited and proven to during Dem control of both the city of Detroit and the Presidency, i.e. I-75 and the '68 riots. These are indisputable facts. Are you disputing that they occurred? So, either point to specific examples to prove your point or accept that your point is invalid, a opinion, or cannot be proven.

MikeyA

Again, here you go taking the stance that if you say it is not so, your position is true. All you have is what you hàve read, by who knows, and the images portrayed to you by the self serving news media. You want proof? Look at the video series, "Eye on the prize". The indesputable truth is there. Of course I expect you to deny everything in the videos.

So I shouldn't believe what I read and should instead believe what I watch? Tell me you are not serious. Please. I don't want to believe someone as old as you is this gullible. A documentary can be as easily edited as a opinion article. That's why I request FACTS!

All I've asked from you is that if YOUR position is true to provide facts to support it. If it is true there should be some. If you can't your argument has FAILED. Excuse me that if some one tells me something is true I should take something more than their account. Should I also take those who saw Bigfoot and aliens at face value too? Or should I be a bit skeptical?

MikeyA

It is obvious you have made up your mind, and whatever is presented to you that's not your idea or belief is incorrect. There was a group of people who got together in the 1920's who thought this way. The result, WWII and tens of millions dead. The way to subjigate a group is to destroy or deny them of their history. Fortunately, that doesn't work anymore.

It is obvious you have made up your mind, and whatever is presented to you that's not your idea or belief is incorrect. There was a group of people who got together in the 1920's who thought this way. The result, WWII and tens of millions dead. The way to subjigate a group is to destroy or deny them of their history. Fortunately, that doesn't work anymore.

Laughable. You accuse others of exactly what you are guilty of, having a closed mind. I presented FACTS to you and you ignored them. Then you suggest that the NAZS are just like those who disagree with you, brilliant! I am not denying the richness of Black history only the dearth of it taught in our school on a month other than February. I want black and other children to know about and live by the precepts stated by MLK, let's judge by actions not color of skin. Obviously you can't do that yet, I hope like our President you will evolve.

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I have listened to your broadcasts on many occassions. Your are not as bad as Rush Limbaugh, but there are a lot of similarities. What I like most about SB is that I come in contact with you all the time, but our realationship outside SB is a lot more cordial.

Perhaps because on here under the cover of a fake name you allow yourself to spew so much ignorance while in person you hide your true feelings

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Because of political affiliations, it's safer. I shouldn't do this at all, but it's so much fun being a pain in the ass. Realisticaly, i don't care too much about anyone's madness unless it violates my rights.

See ZC, this is why your point is without merit.

All I'm asking is for information that would prove you correct. You either fail or cannot provide it. And because I don't accept your word at face value you imply I am a nazi, based solely on the fact that I don't accept your argument at your word.

What kind of a man are you? What kind of a man cannot back up what he says? What kind of a man accuses others of crimes against humanity with nothing to show for it?

No ZC, my mind wasn't made up. You've just failed to change it.

In the processes it's YOU who has ignored history. If you didn't you could provide one fact to support your argument.

It is YOU who judges people based upon the color of their skin.

It is YOU who subjugates people's opinion.

You are a pathetic person is what I can tell based upon this thread. Pathetic and small.

MikeyA

I did offer you the opportunity to get the facts to back up my positions, but you decided to dismiss the idea of looking at factual history. Your behavior is typical of those who want to oppress other people by only looking at one dimension. Open your eyes and mind and see the light. I suspect there may some good in you.

If one is going to make a claim they ought to back it up.

I am a student of history. What you claim has occurred in the last 50 years then it should be easy. However, I know it to not be true. I didn't need to disprove you because Fred did an adequate job. You could not and still cannot refute what Fred posted other than namecalling.

"Your behavior is typical of those who want to oppress other people by only looking at one dimension." My behavior? All I've done is tell you that you are wrong and why. Have I advocated oppressing anyone? If so, show me where. I have done the opposite in fact. I want people to succeed, but more than that I want them to WANT to succeed that they do it IN SPITE of anyone trying to oppress them. That is what we call triumph of the human spirit.

What you have done is attempt to dimish Fred and my opinions without facts. You began to name-call and denegrate. Now THAT is the actions of someone who wants to oppress others. Don't believe me? I can prove it, with factual evidence.

MikeyA

I am a student of history also. Obviously you and i are reading different books.

I am a student of history also. Obviously you and i are reading different books.

Well then this will be easy to clear up. Which books did you get your information from on Republicans using Urban Renewal to move blacks? You can list as many as you like.

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.....if you listen closely you can hear him compiling the list.

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MikeyA says,
"For instance, wolfman was at the Lansing union rally. He said the RTW proponents were there causing a ruckus. His eyewitness opinion. Yet, the video evidence of this event does not support his version."

Your biased opinion MikeyA. Video shown was edited and slanted. I was there you were not. I stand by my eye witnessed independent report.

As a military "employee" it seems you have way too much unproductive time on your hands. Another reason we need to cut military spending or as Fredrick has promoted a full independent performance audit of the waste and fraud that is our unaffordable unaccountable military. Money that our government has squandered on investing in war instead of investing in our infrastructure. Fredrick whines about water rates but never does the critical thinking, the logical outcome of no investment in America. Until we cut waste and fraud in MikeA's military we will continue to watch our country collapse from within. Toledo's water problems are not isolated. Across America water and sewer systems have been neglected while the military grew fat and bloated. No we need to look at the real causes not the ranting of the extremists among us.

Water and sewer rates will continue to skyrocket
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/water-and-sewer-rates-will-cont...

$6.6 Billion Stolen in Iraq
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/66-billion-stolen-iraq

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No problem here with cutting military waste, no problem here with cutting wasteful spending in entitlements, contracts, etc. etc. I say send as little to Washington as possible. Only what they need to cover the expenses the constitution calls for, then demand they use it for those purposes.
Fact check- local water problems are not the result of wasteful war spending. For instance Toledo water rates are used only for Toledo water plants, staff, and infrastructure. No money paid for water service goes to Washington for war costs, and the cost of war does not affect your water rates which are controlled by the city and city council. You were so close to having a no mistake post also.

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Water Infrastructure Funding
http://www.agc.org/cs/advocacy/legislative_activity/water_infrastructure...

Quote from article:
Both Public and Private Studies Find Astounding Gaps Between Current Spending and Projected Needs. Modernizing and replacing aging water infrastructure may be the single largest public works endeavor in our nation's history. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's Clean Water and Drinking Water Infrastructure Gap Analysis found a $540 billion gap between current spending and projected needs for water and wastewater infrastructure (combined) over 20 years. Other public studies conducted by the Government Accountability Office (GAO) and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), and a private study produced by AGC partner, the Water Infrastructure Network, have similarly estimated the nation?s water infrastructure needs to range between $400 and $600 billion over a 20-year period.

Restore Funding to the Clean Water and Safe Drinking Water State Revolving Loan Funds. Congress has cut funding to the Clean Water and Drinking Water SRF programs in recent years. Congress must reauthorize and fully fund the Clean Water State Revolving Loan Fund and the Drinking Water State Revolving Fund (SRF) Programs to ensure consistency and give communities the ability to leverage federal dollars and plan capital improvements in order to ensure public health, safety and environmental quality.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Here's the line from your original post- "Fredrick whines about water rates but never does the critical thinking, the logical outcome of no investment in America. " The water rates I'm whining about of course are the ones I pay, toledo water rates. Those are not affected by any war, the First, Second, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, etc etc.
The federal govt. will not come in and replace Toledo's aging infrastructure. If you believe otherwise you are more ignorant than your posts would suggest.

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Your post suggests that the EPA get restored funding and that the lack of funding might be the problem. Actually wasteful spending by the EPA could be the problem as you will see at this link "The EPA has doled out $6.3 million in grants to various environmental activists groups and to an Indian tribe in Washington state. http://epaabuse.com/ Imagine how much infrastructure could have been repaired with $6.3M and whatever other waste EPA is guilty of doing.

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With the madness I'm seeing I can only conclude it must be the water. The EPA should sample Lake Erie to determine the level of infestation.

And she arises once again to comment in her ignorant way on something she knows nothing about. Did you even take the time to read the posts Te'o? Do you realize he has all his facts wrong about Urban Renewal or did the word Republica just get your nose open?
Accuse me and others of being racist without of course any proof of any racist activities any of us have ever done, well except disagree with you and now zayed. Swampbubbles is better when you stay on FB.

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Purnhrt, thank you for your comment. I do understand that Fred will never change his mind. Fred should feel fortunate he was born White in a society that allows a person of his origins to enjoy the fantasy he or she is superior to people who are much more intelligent and of quality. I wish Fred to live un til he is 150 years old so he will experience the harsh reality of being treated as a second or third class citizen.I say to Fred and all people like him, what goes around, comes around. We see this happening all over the United States. Most of the world and the Western Hemisphere already have more non-White people than White people. That will continue until Fred and his kind are breeded out.

I must admit I laughed out loud at that last part. (In 1950, whites were 28 percent of world population) that's from a study published in the Guardian. As for ascribing to me your own biases I wish you would stick to what you know. I've never considered myself superior to anyone of a different color and in fact have been treated as a second class citizen because of my appearance on a number of occassions, certainly not to the extent of my black friends but still and all it's happened. Your idea that karma will somehow bring all white people to the status that blacks have been regulated to suggests you don't feel we've progressed intellectually at all and that blacks/browns/yellow races will want revenge for harm done to them. Since you are white I have to ask poorhart is that is her design once her people take over, so to speak.
I actually feel fortunate that I was born in a country that afforded me the freedom to succeed on my own merits, make friends with people from a number of races/creeds, and speak my mind on the issues affecting us all.
It's sad that people like you and poophart continue to base your views of the world solely on color and how many of each color there, just waiting for the day "they" outnumber "us" and teach "us" all a lesson.

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As usual you have misunderstood what I've said. I'm talking about political evolution, not anyone taking out revenge.The trend is in front of your face, Fred. Accept it or continue to be miserable being in fear that the reign of European types is coming to an end.You can continue to be part of the problem or become part of the future which is inevidentable.

If there is a trend what are facts of the causes and effects?

MikeyA

Yes, of course that's it, I misunderstood this line "he will experience the harsh reality of being treated as a second or third class citizen". It should have been ovbious. The trend has been out there since before I was born so I have no fear of it. I'm anxious to see what the new reign will look like but fear we've seen examples of it already in Detroit, Or perhaps African countries would be a better example. After years of gaining their freedom from White European countries they have been led by despots and dictators. The GNI, gross national income, on average is less than $1K a year. Of course you and phrt will attribute this to continued White European control to fit the narrative. It's not about color zayed it's about politics. And until governments stop trying to take from one group to raise another group up they will continue to fail no matter what race they are. I suppose by your posts you are laying the ground work for when the great "takeover" happens and you can point to your posts as being progressive and supportive of the new regime. Perhaps it will save you from the "experience the harsh reality of being treated as a second or third class citizen".

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You are talking to a person (zeyadcharles)that would love to see Obama be president for the next 8 years, yes the next 8 years....22nd amendment amended....

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Because of my age I most likely will be dead when that happens. My grandchildren will be alive, however, to witness, experience and suffer the tryanny White America has prepared for itself.

ZC there is so much wrong with your post I need to break it out on it's own.

"Your biased opinion MikeyA. Video shown was edited and slanted. I was there you were not. I stand by my eye witnessed independent report." I posted a video of the two cameras that filmed the incident without edit. Two side by side videos which at different times showed different angles of the same people. It did not show what wolfman said occurred. Do you want me to repost? I'm more than willing if you are unable to find it.

"As a military "employee" it seems you have way too much unproductive time on your hands." You know nothing of the time I give to the government. Last week one day I was working at 3am. I went on to work a normal work day. Please don't make assumptions about my life. It makes you look ignorant.

"Another reason we need to cut military spending or as Fredrick has promoted a full independent performance audit of the waste and fraud that is our unaffordable unaccountable military. Money that our government has squandered on investing in war instead of investing in our infrastructure." The money you cited, the 6.6 billion, are not a part of the military budget. It was a part of a separate resolution to fund the Iraq war.

Secondly, I've long been critical of the way I've seen military money spent, however some of the cuts are equally as wasteful as the spending of them. For instance, the reduction of force I initially was for. The USMC for instance grew and we had many sticking around that were a detriment to the rest of our force, by trimming the force we were able to make our force leaner and more efficient. This year however they introduced that we are cutting another 20K from a 180K force. This WILL HURT readiness. Want to know where? I will tell you off the bat you'll see more terror attacks at our embassies. Note the date. I predict it.

Additionally, the Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle was wasteful. Yet rather than cut the waste and produce a vehicle that gives us advanced amphibious capabilities they cut the whole program. Now we are out billions and we STILL don't have the ship to shore capabilities we need. To get those capabilities we need now another 10 years and untold billions of dollars.

For the Marine Corps we are going to be at our smallest total force strength since prior to the Korean War. Would you like me to explain why this is a HORRIBLY BAD IDEA or would you like me to explain further?

Toledo water rates? Do you really want to know about this one? In the late 1990's the Toledo Water Dept began several upgrades to the water system. The biggest one was converting the TWD Lake Erie intake into a hydroelectric facility. (I believe the work finished in 2004 and was fully operational by '05 it's been a while since I researched it)

Now you want a solution to the problem? The power lines throughout Toledo are owned by Toledo Edison, a private company. With ONE exception.... the underground power lines in downtown, they are owned by the City of Toledo. So... here's my possible solutions. 1) Offer the power to downtown customers at a discounted rate, the lower residual utilities overhead would ENTICE more businesses to specifically downtown the increase in users keeps profitability high and rates don't need to be raised. 2) use the funds generated by the Toledo owned lines to subsidize the TWD improvements so essentially the Water Dept is paying for it's own improvements without federal money or a significant raise in revenues.

The problem ZC is you are looking for a government solution to a government problem. The fact is government doesn't really solve problems, they put them on another. So keep voting for the same Copeland's, Ludeman's, and Skeldon's and hope change occurs. It will be as fallable as Urban Renewal. They will never give you limited gov't solutions like I posted above. As you told me... please feel free to look up anything I said to see if it's true. LOL Or... feel free to prove me wrong.

MikeyA

It makes no difference to me if you or I are right or wrong. Neither of us have any power to do anything except blog on SB.

ZC I apologize, I meant wolfman in my post title.

I had seen it but did not change the title.

MikeyA

That must be some damn long list of books you're putting together for us. It's been over two days now.

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You tickle me, Fred. Do you really think I'm going to waste my time putting together a list of anything for you. You have demonstrated that you discount anything positive about African Americans. I'm certain any book I mention will be critiqued by you as a bunch of marlarky. But, let's try this one. The Encyclopedia Brittanica.

I could have predicted your response weeks ago. Anytime someone without the facts get challenged they resort to " i don't have time", " i'm not going to do your job" excuses. I think I have proven over the years that I believe there are a number of positives coming from the black ocmmunity especially in people like John Jones, Jan Scotland, Francis Dumbaya etc etc. I believe blacks invented all kinds of stuff they didn't get credit for. I believe the children are our future (sorry off track).
Your arguments? about urban renewal are so weak you can't cite a source except for Brittanica.

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How about the video series, "Eye On The Prize". Or, is that too Black for you? The people you mentioned got their own demons they are dealing with.

Seen "eyes on the prize" along with Roots, Malcolm X, (read and seen), Color Purple, King, Soul Plane, Barbershop, etc etc.

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Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

I'm glad you saw Soul Plane. It really captures the essence of Black culture.

I don't expect it captured the essence but it certainly captured a part of the black culture that is very successful.

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have ever heard of The Black Wall Street, a black community (Greenwood District) in Tulsa, Oklahoma that was the site of black enterprise and entreprenurialship.. I guess you could say that Urban Renewal destroyed this community twice. Fredtheentertainer has such a rudimentary knowledge of black people yet he wants others to believe that he is on the cutting edge of Black History, Black entertainment and Black Toledoans.He has even gone so far as to state that he has a black godchild, as if that qualifies him for an exemption on being racist. The "Eye on the Prize" is not even in the same genre as "Roots," Malcolm X, etc.

You still have to prove what I posted that was racist. AND you have to prove I "outed" and attacked your son.

You can't do either can you. Go back to Facebook with the rest of the intellectually weak and willingly ignorant.

MikeyA

But Mikeya it's nice on FB. No one argues with her, or challenges her, it's all sunshine and lollipops.
I'm well aware of Black Bottom, Idlewild etc etc when it comes to black entrepreneurship and business. I'm more than aware of what urban renewal and riots like Detroit and Watts did to black neighborhoods too. Democrats in their attempt to create a dependent class destroyed black neighborhoods and created "the projects" like Cabrini-Green in Chicago, and Brewster in Detroit. They got what they wanted. A people so dependent on government to do for them, that they can't do for themselves. When some do like Powell, Rice etc they are dispararged as sounding too white or being uncle Toms. It's sad that their own race won't support them. RG3 is the latest example.

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I have a Black friend who works for a company that produces lawn treatments. A woman of Euro decent was told to ask him how to kill grubs. He happily told her about two products his company made. The first product cost $25.00 and didn't work. The second product, which did work, cost $8.00. He told her to buy the $8.00 product. Weeks later she said she purchased the $25.00 product because the White person in the store told her that my Black friend didn't know what he was talking about, and, the store person also told her that he could back up his statement because he knew that no Black people worked at the manufacturing company. Therefore, the Black person was a fraud and a lair. What is the point of this little story? White America historically and presently tries to discount everything Black Americans do except slam a basketball or hum a tune. By the way, the woman's lawn still had grubs after she applied the $25.00 product. I bought and applied the $8.00 product my friend recommended and the grubs disappeared. My friend will soon be retiring from the lawn treatment company after twenty-five years of employment as an inventor and certified, agronomist.

OMG this is one of the funniest stories ever. No names of course or even the name of the product. And you have a Black friend! Well in twiltharp's world that doesn't make you any less a racist.
I have a White friend who cuts hair. A man of African descent asked him about a haircut. He happily told him he could cut his hair for $8 or he could get a hair cut from a Black barber for $25. The man of African descent chose the $25 haircut because he had been told that no White man could cut Black hair properly. My friend will be retiring soon after twenty five years of cutting hair with no complaints.

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You are so predictable, Fred. I was not surprised by your post. Again you demonstrate your ability for denial. There is a difference in the two stories. Mine is true. Yours is totally fiction. And by the way, I've never heard of a Black Barber who charges $25.00 for a haircut in Toledo.

I don't remember saying it was Toledo. Here's one example of the cost and I'm sure there are others....
Rochelle Mosley, who owns Salon 804 in the Harlem neighborhood of New York City, told Reuters Health some of her African-American clients come in once per week to get their hair straightened at a cost of about $40.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/hairstyles-black-women-exer...

There's a school of thought that says that many Black women don't exercise because of the enormous amount of time and cost they invest in hair care and that that contributes to the obesity epidemic. Not my idea, but it could explain the big booty on the first lady.

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You're the ball of yarn, I'm the cat.

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You over estimate yourself, Fred.

"Toledo Stories" had a documentary on last night discussing what happened to Urban Renewal in Toledo. I hoped you watched it, Fred. It clearly presented what happened, but, I have a feeling you again will bark that the information presented is wrong and only you are the expert on Black History.

The issue is not "did urban renewal harm the black community" the issue is "did the black community vote for the politicians who implemented those policies?"

The answer to the second question is yes.

MikeyA

Back then Blacks voted for Republicans and Democrats.

Wrong.

Black Americans have not had a majority vote for a GOP candidate since the 1964 election of LBJ and Goldwater.

The reason being was Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 because he felt it infringed upon states rights despite being supportive of the Civil Rights movement.

MikeyA

Blacks voted against Goldwater because he allegedly made the comment that he had nothing against black people, every Whiite man should own one.

Fact Check-In the 1964 presidential campaign, Goldwater ran a conservative campaign which broadly opposed strong action by the federal government. Although he had supported all previous federal civil rights legislation, Goldwater made the decision to oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964.[27] His stance was based on his view that the act was an intrusion of the federal government into the affairs of states and, second, that the Act interfered with the rights of private persons to do business, or not, with whomever they chose, even if the choice is based on racial discrimination.
You can find this in the Encyclopedia Brittanica.

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I won't dispute what you are saying. I'm just stating what Goldwater allegedly said and Blacks did not vote for him because of what he allegedly said. In 1964 many Blacks still supported the Republican Party, but did not support Goldwater.

you know i googled that phrase and couldn't find it anywhere. could you post the link? Please.

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Why are you being so negative Fred?

Don't you know we should trust everything ZC says?

MikeyA

did either of you get to verify that Black Wall Street existed or was that just a fairy tale?

I looked it up.

I was too busy looking for where I "attacked and outed" your son and made a "racist" comment.

I'm still looking. This could take a while purnhrt.

MikeyA

I did not need to verify as I was already aware of it and Rosewood, Fl also. Familiar with the stories of Black Bottom and other Black cities that have been destroyed sometimes by White mobs, sometimes black mobs. What's your point?

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There you go again, Fred. Even though you agree these things did occur, the style of your writing suggests you attach no importance to these events. Still trying to play with the ball of yarn?

Like the ball of yarn you learn no lesson from being batted around, you lay there and wait for your next batting. Are either of you familiar with the Bronze Raven or WSPD's role in the popularity of Lady J, Jean Overton?

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Watching the show zeyad suggested on WGTE right now and they just did the part about Urban Renewal in Toledo. According to the show after the 1970 riots on Dorr St. the city fathers decided to use the Urban Renewal dollars to rebuild Dorr St. The city father at the time was William Ensign (D) followed by Harry Kessler (D) neither of which of course was a Republican. White Democrats knew what was best for the Black community and proceeded to give it to them.

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Oh by the way, if anything I've said is factually incorrect please prove me wrong. Dorr St. in Toledo is a particular sore spot for me since I noticed it first in 1980 when I moved here. I asked my AfAmer friends about it and got a short history then took it upon myself to discover the rest. It mirrors what happend on 12th and 14th sts in Detroit after the riot there. I worked at the corner of 14th and Ash and 12th had been burned to the ground and destroyed during the riots. Now Section 8 housing dots the empty streets and local businesses are pretty much non existant. That Urban Renewal took place under Roman Gibbs(D) and Coleman Young(D). Again if anything I say is factually wrong please point it out. As you must know Urban Renewal dollars were given to the communities much like the current CBGD monies and projects were done by local govts. and contractors.

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Ignorance is bliss, Fred. You must be in euphoria by now. Your consistent denial is a tribute to your lack of having facts.

Yawnnnnn..okay that's it from me. I've offfered you the opportunity to prove me wrong. You can't. I even watched the Toledo Stories - African American episode like you asked and heard what it said about Toledo Urban Renewal, and Spencer-Sharples. And yet you still have yet to produce any books you can cite or any refutation of my facts. I'm off to play with a different ball of yarn.
My guess is , and this is based on numerous conversations with people like you, that you will claim I am running from the facts, the fight, the truth etc etc., that I can't take the heat, the truth, the argument etc.etc. Whatever gets you through the night as Lennon said.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Yawnnnnn..okay that's it from me. I've offfered you the opportunity to prove me wrong. You can't. I even watched the Toledo Stories - African American episode like you asked and heard what it said about Toledo Urban Renewal, and Spencer-Sharples. And yet you still have yet to produce any books you can cite or any refutation of my facts. I'm off to play with a different ball of yarn.
My guess is , and this is based on numerous conversations with people like you, that you will claim I am running from the facts, the fight, the truth etc etc., that I can't take the heat, the truth, the argument etc.etc. Whatever gets you through the night as Lennon said.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Amen, Brother, Fred. So that you will someday realistically know as much about African Americans as they know about themselves, try the "Encyclopedia of African American History". The set will enlighten you.

Come on, Fred, i miss your inacurrate rants. I do believe you have retreated because your statements are based on historical traditions to minimize Black Americans great contributions.

has been busy stalking me on Facebook. Like a catfish he has been playing the part of different people on Facebook along with his real name. Such deceit!

I am facinated by Fred' thinking he is an expert on African Americans or anybody else. The only thing I can think of he may be an expert at is identifying sandwiches.

What a filthy liar you are Twyla! No one is stalking you. I happen to have the same facebook friend as you and commented on a post that he commented on. You decided to make it a racial argument by including my joke about the first ladies big ass. And it's not my contention that black don't exercise enough because of hair care, that was from a study published in a newspaper. Get your facts straight you look like a complete fool not just here but on facebook also where they aren't falling for your victim bullshit.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

I thought you were playing with a different ball of yarn, Fred.

She is the new ball of yarn. You've been played out, it's evident by your childish sandwich comment.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

My sandwich comment was childish, but it sure got your attention.

Your tag, "Often I post as other people including, but not limited to, wolfmann, willard, woldie, buckheadradio. It's fun." Proof positive, STALKER! And I have never claimed victimhood, what I have claimed is that you are a racist with your racist comments, innuendo, youtube postings and your comments on WSPD, where you go into the stereotypical dialect of a black person. And we have more than one mutual friend on facebook, I think there is over 20. I would block you from seeing any comment I make but maybe you can learn something from stalking me on FB........then again maybe you won't. By the way do you know Governor Zeigler?........checkmate!

No but I've heard of Zig Zigler. You are so stupid you don't even realize the tag is a joke about people accusing me of posting multiple names. You'll notice those are all names of other posters.
It's funny you mention stereotypical black dialect. A few years after I got here I was asked to produce a spot for the Lucas County Fair Housing center about discrimination against blacks (redlining). I used the voice of my friend Rob, an African American, a graduate of St. John's and OU. When we played the spot for the LCFH they said "we wanted you to use an African Amercan for that voice". I told them that I had and could they please explain to me what they meant by "black voice". Apparently it's obvious to you and them what you think stereotypical blacks sound like. I dont' have those prejudices. I prefer the way John Jones, Russel Simmons, and Condi Rice speak to the way Lil' Wayne sounds. Tell my twerpa is Lil' Wayne doing a dialect or is that how certain black people sound. Don't hurt yourself trying to get around that one.
You show your ignorance here but you continue to return. Your ignorance showed on FB and numerous posters took exception to your post. Go post your bullshit somewhere else. Oh by the way, that's only a suggestion because I know in your head you'll accuse me of telling a black woman what to do.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

She really is a friggin idiot.

She seriously believes you post as wolfman and Willard.

The cups at McDonalds say Caution: Hot because of people like her. Oh and before she tries to accuse me of being racist again, the woman in that lawsuit was white.

MikeyA

Proves again, some groups can get away with almost anything.

Group?

I am a person. I have called her to task on things she has posted. Would you like me to show you the links I've provided her based upon things she said?

I stand by what I posted.

MikeyA

That's all you do is question anyone who has the correct information. All you say is prove this, prove that. Why don't you provide proof. Like I said, there was group last century who did the same thing. Result, 60 million dead.

ZC if it's correct then someone should easily be able to cite what they have claimed.

This is the basis for every position paper in every school.

Just saying something doesn't make it correct. There are tons of conspiracy theorists who do the same thing but they can't back up their claims.

Purnhrt, for example, claimed I "attacked and outed" her son.

I commented on her son's posts, they were rambling and he was self promoting, I gave him advise on how best to present the content here.

I didn't out him. Fred was the first to say that he was Twilla's son but was that really "outing" him? After all, his screen name was TPage and he linked to websites that had his name.

Yet Twilla says I attacked and outed him. I actually found my discussion with her son to be pleasant, sure he defended his mother's crazy antics but I understand any son doing that. I can't fix that his mother is a racist, and yes, I can back this up with citations.

MikeyA

Have you ever thought about going to an anger management program?

If you read my post as angry then you missed my tone completely.

If anything with her It's dismissive contempt.

MikeyA

I have personnally dealt with Twyla and I choose to totally ignore most of what she says.

Twyla is entitled to her opinion, and not automatically suscribe to your opinions. African Americans or anyone else do not have to suppress their opinions just because you think your opinion is the only opinion that is correct. This is not 1936 Germany.

That's all you do is question anyone who has the correct information. All you say is prove this, prove that. Why don't you provide proof. Like I said, there was group last century who did the same thing. Result, 60 million dead.

Fred did.

He cited to back up his claim. You didn't cite, you said "Go read an encyclopedia", "Go watch this documentary" when Fred watched the documentary and pressed you for more specific information you dodged the question.

MikeyA

It's not my responsibility for me to obtain the books for Fred or read them for him . The facts are in the books. If Fred seeks he will find, instead of continuing to embrace denial.

So it's not your responsibility to have credibility.

You'd fail as any type of reporter or in any college course.

MikeyA

It is easier for some to embrace physical and personal name calling (without facts) than it is to read and think.

Amen!

I agree.

Like when someone claims someone "attacked" and "outed" their son but cannot provide proof and still claims it even though the person they're accusing provides substantial proof against that claim.

Like that?

MikeyA

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