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President hints at measures he will call for, he wants to ban semi-autos, and he also said no one should be allowed to own a gun.
Wouldn't it have been wonderful if a trained Security Officer with a Gun had been able to shoot this murderer before he killed so many children?
Wouldn't it have been wonderful if a Trained Volunteer with a Gun had been able to shoot this murderer before he killed so many children?
Wouldn't it have been wonderful if aTrained Teacher or Administrator with a Gun had been able to shoot this murderer before he killed so many children?
Go look up Chicago’s murder rate after their heavy restriction on gun laws.
The deflection from the mental health issue, and the personal responsibility issue is just that, a deflection. It can't be nothing else but a gun issue to those who can't see past the gun issue.
If Lanza’s mother would have had her guns locked up she or any of Sandy hooks victims would not be dead.
How about this....
"And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."
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Please link to where Obama just said - "no one should be allowed to own a gun"

Read the statement again Sens, President hints at measures he will call for, he wants to ban semi-autos, and he also said no one should be allowed to own a gun.
Where does it say he just said it? I didn't say when or where he said it. You always ask for confirmation which is legitimate, but you need to expand your own attempt to verify statements that are posted instead of dismissing them because someone else won’t confirm them for you. And even if I did give you the link you would dismiss it anyway with some sort of nothing is relevant accept what is right now version of reality.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Obama who told ----: “I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.”

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

A pro-gun professor said Obama said it years ago.... that's good enough for me!

Bingo what a little searching will do! And the second part of the equation is to find out if its true or not, so do a little more to confirm its a fact. Oh! but Iike I said you dismiss everything anyway....I have another one for you, blank said shit stinks. I know you want to know when, where, and why, and provide a link.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

fellow travelers with SantaObbamma, out there screaming for AR-15"s & other weapons like them aren't used for hunting and, that they should be banned.

You are correct in that these weapons aren't mostly used for hunting.

The need for automatic and semi-automatic weapons is to fight Government Tyranny, just like the Founders thought about, wrote about, and put into Law !!!!

And, if you weirdos do not see Government Tyranny now, well then, you are radical biased fools who should immediately move to Venezuela, China, N.Korea, or what ever African Nation, suits your mealy mouthed selves !

What statement?

Here is his Dec. 17th memorial speech that conservatives thought too political.
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Thank you, Governor. To all the families, first responders, to the community of Newtown, clergy, guests -- Scripture tells us: “…do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away…inwardly we are being renewed day by day. For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal. For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands.”

We gather here in memory of twenty beautiful children and six remarkable adults. They lost their lives in a school that could have been any school; in a quiet town full of good and decent people that could be any town in America.

Here in Newtown, I come to offer the love and prayers of a nation. I am very mindful that mere words cannot match the depths of your sorrow, nor can they heal your wounded hearts. I can only hope it helps for you to know that you’re not alone in your grief; that our world too has been torn apart; that all across this land of ours, we have wept with you, we’ve pulled our children tight. And you must know that whatever measure of comfort we can provide, we will provide; whatever portion of sadness that we can share with you to ease this heavy load, we will gladly bear it. Newtown -- you are not alone.

As these difficult days have unfolded, you’ve also inspired us with stories of strength and resolve and sacrifice. We know that when danger arrived in the halls of Sandy Hook Elementary, the school’s staff did not flinch, they did not hesitate. Dawn Hochsprung and Mary Sherlach, Vicki Soto, Lauren Rousseau, Rachel Davino and Anne Marie Murphy -- they responded as we all hope we might respond in such terrifying circumstances -- with courage and with love, giving their lives to protect the children in their care.

We know that there were other teachers who barricaded themselves inside classrooms, and kept steady through it all, and reassured their students by saying “wait for the good guys, they’re coming”; “show me your smile.”

And we know that good guys came. The first responders who raced to the scene, helping to guide those in harm’s way to safety, and comfort those in need, holding at bay their own shock and trauma because they had a job to do, and others needed them more.

And then there were the scenes of the schoolchildren, helping one another, holding each other, dutifully following instructions in the way that young children sometimes do; one child even trying to encourage a grown-up by saying, “I know karate. So it’s okay. I’ll lead the way out.” (Laughter.)

As a community, you’ve inspired us, Newtown. In the face of indescribable violence, in the face of unconscionable evil, you’ve looked out for each other, and you’ve cared for one another, and you’ve loved one another. This is how Newtown will be remembered. And with time, and God’s grace, that love will see you through.

But we, as a nation, we are left with some hard questions. Someone once described the joy and anxiety of parenthood as the equivalent of having your heart outside of your body all the time, walking around. With their very first cry, this most precious, vital part of ourselves -- our child -- is suddenly exposed to the world, to possible mishap or malice. And every parent knows there is nothing we will not do to shield our children from harm. And yet, we also know that with that child’s very first step, and each step after that, they are separating from us; that we won’t -- that we can’t always be there for them. They’ll suffer sickness and setbacks and broken hearts and disappointments. And we learn that our most important job is to give them what they need to become self-reliant and capable and resilient, ready to face the world without fear.

And we know we can’t do this by ourselves. It comes as a shock at a certain point where you realize, no matter how much you love these kids, you can’t do it by yourself. That this job of keeping our children safe, and teaching them well, is something we can only do together, with the help of friends and neighbors, the help of a community, and the help of a nation. And in that way, we come to realize that we bear a responsibility for every child because we’re counting on everybody else to help look after ours; that we’re all parents; that they’re all our children.

This is our first task -- caring for our children. It’s our first job. If we don’t get that right, we don’t get anything right. That’s how, as a society, we will be judged.

And by that measure, can we truly say, as a nation, that we are meeting our obligations? Can we honestly say that we’re doing enough to keep our children -- all of them -- safe from harm? Can we claim, as a nation, that we’re all together there, letting them know that they are loved, and teaching them to love in return? Can we say that we’re truly doing enough to give all the children of this country the chance they deserve to live out their lives in happiness and with purpose?

I’ve been reflecting on this the last few days, and if we’re honest with ourselves, the answer is no. We’re not doing enough. And we will have to change.

Since I’ve been President, this is the fourth time we have come together to comfort a grieving community torn apart by a mass shooting. The fourth time we’ve hugged survivors. The fourth time we’ve consoled the families of victims. And in between, there have been an endless series of deadly shootings across the country, almost daily reports of victims, many of them children, in small towns and big cities all across America -- victims whose -- much of the time, their only fault was being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

We can’t tolerate this anymore. These tragedies must end. And to end them, we must change. We will be told that the causes of such violence are complex, and that is true. No single law -- no set of laws can eliminate evil from the world, or prevent every senseless act of violence in our society.

But that can’t be an excuse for inaction. Surely, we can do better than this. If there is even one step we can take to save another child, or another parent, or another town, from the grief that has visited Tucson, and Aurora, and Oak Creek, and Newtown, and communities from Columbine to Blacksburg before that -- then surely we have an obligation to try.

In the coming weeks, I will use whatever power this office holds to engage my fellow citizens -- from law enforcement to mental health professionals to parents and educators -- in an effort aimed at preventing more tragedies like this. Because what choice do we have? We can’t accept events like this as routine. Are we really prepared to say that we’re powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics are too hard? Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?

All the world’s religions -- so many of them represented here today -- start with a simple question: Why are we here? What gives our life meaning? What gives our acts purpose? We know our time on this Earth is fleeting. We know that we will each have our share of pleasure and pain; that even after we chase after some earthly goal, whether it’s wealth or power or fame, or just simple comfort, we will, in some fashion, fall short of what we had hoped. We know that no matter how good our intentions, we will all stumble sometimes, in some way. We will make mistakes, we will experience hardships. And even when we’re trying to do the right thing, we know that much of our time will be spent groping through the darkness, so often unable to discern God’s heavenly plans.

There’s only one thing we can be sure of, and that is the love that we have -- for our children, for our families, for each other. The warmth of a small child’s embrace -- that is true. The memories we have of them, the joy that they bring, the wonder we see through their eyes, that fierce and boundless love we feel for them, a love that takes us out of ourselves, and binds us to something larger -- we know that’s what matters. We know we’re always doing right when we’re taking care of them, when we’re teaching them well, when we’re showing acts of kindness. We don’t go wrong when we do that.

That’s what we can be sure of. And that’s what you, the people of Newtown, have reminded us. That’s how you’ve inspired us. You remind us what matters. And that’s what should drive us forward in everything we do, for as long as God sees fit to keep us on this Earth.

“Let the little children come to me,” Jesus said, “and do not hinder them -- for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.”

Charlotte. Daniel. Olivia. Josephine. Ana. Dylan. Madeleine. Catherine. Chase. Jesse. James. Grace. Emilie. Jack. Noah. Caroline. Jessica. Benjamin. Avielle. Allison.

God has called them all home. For those of us who remain, let us find the strength to carry on, and make our country worthy of their memory.

May God bless and keep those we’ve lost in His heavenly place. May He grace those we still have with His holy comfort. And may He bless and watch over this community, and the United States of America.

Are you really that dense. I said he said it,Where did I say WHEN or WHERE he said it? You are a perfect example of the issue at hand...Wake up smell Willard's shit if you have to.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

You said = " he also said no one should be allowed to own a gun."

Provide a link to the quote or transcript. I know you think he said it, was it on one of your “special” web sites sandwiched in between contrail and fluoride articles.

OH!

Its there,He said it, and fluoride is quite dangerous. Again if I did provide you a link you would dismiss it like you do everthing else. So figure out now to confirm it youself..or just keep floating through life with bliss in your everything is alright world while ignoring what is happening all around you.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

The idiot loves to be lied to so, why play his idiotic game of verification !

He actually believed that OweBaMaoscare Nightmarehealthscare-would lower premiums,insure everyone,cool the Planet, and essentially BE FREE !
He also believed that the TARP, auto bailouts, and STIMULUS, were overwhelmingly SUCCESSFUL ?!
Heathens need verification for everything they do not comprehend !

And, when none is offered up in their very narrow definition of the request, they ask for it again in a different, yet identical way !?

Mental retarded folks have better comprehension than this imbecile.

So you can't. Got it, I'm sure the "the voices" keep telling you you're right.

Fluoride chemicals added to your water supplies can cause serious brain and neurological damage. This explains your detachment from reality.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

It's all the Illuminati's fault! So in your world is the Illuminati "the Jews" or the Masons?

Anyway ILLUMINATI are various groups of super rich elites...

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

You can't eliminate the existence of guns by outlawing them (exemplified by the continued existence of illegal drugs) and you can't eliminate mental illness.

What you can do is make schools safer by having either professional or volunteer patrols. Train citizens how to recognize suspicious situations and what to do. This will need to be initiated by parent groups because government isn't the answer.

"I don't believe that people should be able to own guns."
Barak Obama, as quoted to John R. Lott, Jr., PhD, while both were working at the University of Chicago Law School in 1996. From the book "Debacle", by Grover G. Norquist and John R Lott, Jr., John Wiley & Sons, Inc.: Publisher

Laura Ingraham interviewed gun rights advocate John Lott. He recounted a conversation with then-Senator Obama who told Lott: “I don’t believe people should be able to own guns.”
http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?freewheel=69016&sitesection...

"I just want you to know that we are working on it. We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."
Barak Obama to Sarah Brady regarding gun control. Jason Horowitz, Washington Post, April 11th, 2011

"I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers' lobby."
From "The Audacity of Hope" by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

"This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."
Barak Obama to Dmitri Medvedev, March 26, 2012

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Because an interesting thing is happening right now, after this tragedy. Parents NATIONWIDE are asking the same question - one that doesn't fit nicely into BO's agenda here. Parents with students in school nationwide are asking - Why are there not armed police officers or at least armed guards in schools?

The media is currently attempting to mute this growing chorus. But the parents, I am convinced, will not be "shut up" this time around. And I believe you will see a nationwide move to put armed officers or guards in each and every school - along with enhanced entry systems. This tidal wave is coming - school boards are local, not federal - and Obama will NOT be able to stop this.

Don;'t forget either that Obama famously, deliberately, made the nasty comment about Americans who "cling" to their guns and Bibles. What an ignorant statement. Which is why I am extremely cynical about this same guy quoting Christian scripture. The quoted scripture is for Christian believers. And as Jesse Petersen (black pastor) points out, along with many others, Obama is not a Christian.

LIB

Sens has already dismissed it, Thats why i don't comfirm things for him he wants everyone else to do his research for him, then he will give a hollow response. Everything is a conspiracy theory to him..

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

I can't believe this is not more obvious to you - but the reason there is not better security at school is THAT YOU PEOPLE WON'T VOTE FOR LEVIES!!!!!
Where do you want the money to come from to pay the cops? A bake sale?

Logically, children's safety should be the most important consideration for schools. Then educating.

If school systems can't assure the safety of students for the millions of dollars taxpayers already give them, why would we expect that more money would change anything?

You're simply unwilling to make any type of sacrifice to ensure the safety of our children. Like so many self-proclaimed "conservatives", you're all talk. Keep voting "No," GALT. That will help protect the children!

Well sence 85cents of every dollar goes to salaries and PENSIONS lets start there. Oh that leaves only 15cents for everything else......and people won't vote for levies because the administration spends it everywhere else. Like the 900.000 that just disappeared a while back..

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Well sence 85cents of every dollar goes to salaries and PENSIONS lets start there. Oh that leaves only 15cents for everything else......and people won't vote for levies because the administration spends it everywhere else. Like the 900.000 that just disappeared a while back..

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Well since they're not pulling over red light runners yet we still give red light tickets that should pay for it. RIGHT?

MikeyA

Eliminate a few administrative positions and replace them with security personnel - say, three for five; five administrative positions for three security officers. Follow that up by asking the teachers to make a decision - which is more important to them, their next cost of living raise or the children's security? They can't have both.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Anyone that thinks banning any type of weapon will ensure the safety of our children is stupid.
Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country and they are on track for around 500 homicides this year, mostly with guns.

Another problem is the idiots in both the media and elsewhere that don't have a clue as to what constitutes an "assault weapon". If you go by the previous ban, it's basically any gun that looks "scary".

Personally, I would define an assault rifle as one that has select fire, where it can be switched to full auto at the click of a lever. Those type of weapons are heavily regulated.

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

Exactly JM.

An "assault weapon" is only a hunting rifle with plastic pieces added to it to make it look military or to add accessories that do nothing to the functionality.

During the last assault weapons ban what occurred? Columbine.

Armed citizens who stop crime are more likely to wound the criminal more than the police and are less prone to hit bystanders.

Guns discharged during crimes are more likely to prevent the crime than to commit it.

States with more restrictive gun control have more violent crime.

The mall shooting in Portland last week only had two deaths BECAUSE a concealed carry citizen pull their weapon and aimed at the shooter who then stopped shooting others and took his own life.

MikeyA

DF says she has a hundred weapons that she will add to the bill to be banned. What will they be Mikey in your opinion.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Not enough.

The only solution to completely stop gun violence is to go back in time to before guns were invented.

The Oslo shooting alone should be enough to show that even complete gun control does not work. There about 80 people were killed. That's more than Columbine and more than Sandy Hook.

People who are all up in arms about the schools don't even realize the deadliest mass murder in a school occured in Bath, Michigan where a man systematically detonated bombs killing students, teachers, and administrators. Columbine also bombs were used. Yet we don't see people trying to ban dynamite.

MikeyA

I believe the deadliest was in 1958 when 95 kids where killed. (NOT BY GUNS)

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

I just heard on the radio that 0bama has put Biden in charge of the matter. I feel SO much better now.(rolls eyes)

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

The government has shown what it will do in a crisis keep in mind Catrina, Law enforcment went house to house in some districts and confiscated law abidding citizens guns. They used registrations forms to do it.
This gun ban will only hurt us again.
JM off topic do you know anything about Chrysler's hiring process from their recent request for employment via computer apps.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

DTOM, I believe they did all their application taking vis a website. It ended quite a while ago.
Of course, I'd bet if you were friends with some high up union muckity muck, you'd have an in.

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

Yes, this is the usual agenda. The Liberals want to take our guns. That's all that's happening here. They actually do a little dance when another one of their illegally disarmed and concomitantly helpless schools, packed with ready victims, gets shot up. This is their game: To raise the stakes. To get people angry enough (as Obama says) to tolerate unconstitutionality.

Obama has no power in this event. The Second Amendment says so. The only power that the Congress has, is in starting the process of amending the US constitution in order to repeal the Second Amendment. But that requires at least 38 states to agree, and they won't. The Congress has always known that any such proposal will never pass at least 38 states. Most states have explicit repeats of the Second Amendment written into their own constitutions.

So what Obama is proposing is that he will break the most basic law of the United States government. And that's yet another reason why he's not fit to be President. It's why NO gun-hating Liberal is fit.

Banning them only leads to increased smuggling over the borders...

A Ban puts money into the hands of criminals and the underworld...

A ban denies the gov't billions in tax revenue...

A ban would overinflate our already exhausted prison system with people who really are doing nothing morally wrong...

Having it doesn't make someone prone to violence....

A ban goes against personal liberty...

and um....

oh wait... this is the legalize marijuana thread right. LOL

MikeyA

Based on all of the above and more we will still have the ban and more added to it. Will DF's 100 kinds of gun ban be grandfathered?

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

And on Christmas Eve, too!
Oops! I forgot!
Obama is the first President to have Secret Service protection.
Obama's children are the first children of a President to have Secret Service protection.

G-Man -- I wonder why you didn't mind it when Secret Service officers were not only protecting President Bush, but were also following Jenna and Bar around? Hmmm...what's the difference? And wasn't there some major mass shooting at an Amish school when Bush #43 was President? I'm straining to figure out the difference!

Who said ANYTHING about the Secret Service? The 11 armed guards are IN ADDITION to the Secret Service protection, which is a GIVEN with a presidents' family members. If you would have bothered to READ the article, you would know the 11 armed guards are ALREADY part of the scenery at that school. So, you're straining to figure differences out, are you? I think you're still stuck on the "shit and shinola" distinction, and aren't going to figure that one out, either.

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