Apparently the President would be shocked to learn that bayonets are standard issue.
We still train with them. We take them to war. The clip very easily to M4s and M16s. I own my own because it's one last thing to sign out and one last thing to fill out a missing/broken gear statement if it becomes unserviceable or lost.
Pretty handy tool like an e-tool(still issued as well).
"We still train with them"
ESR, What do you do, dress up like gi joe, go out in your backyard and impale a sack of straw hanging from a tree? Like those dudes who do those civil war reenactments, huh?
Or are you training for when the us gets invaded by the bad guys?
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Even a dried up liberal liar knows one when he sees one.
President Barack Obama ended up revealing an astonishing level of ignorance about the state of military technology during the presidential debate in Boca Raton, FL Monday night.
The U.S. Commander-in-Chief misspoke about bayonets. He misspoke about horses. He misspoke about the size of the U.S. Navy. He misspoke about the makeup of the Navy. And the whole time, he thought he was teaching his opponent Mitt Romney a lesson.
Obama mocked Gov. Romney's concerns about the diminished number of ships in the U.S. Navy by saying, "I think Gov. Romney maybe hasn't spent enough time studying how our military works."
Obama continued, trying his best to make the GOP challenger look foolish: "[Romney] mentioned that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well... we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military's changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. We have these ships that go under water, nuclear submarines." Obama added that it's not about "counting ships," it's about "our capabilities."
These comments rang out with a snarky condescension that was only surpassed by their complete lack of factual support.
While the Army discontinued traditional bayonet training in 2010, the USMC still trains Marines with bayonets and issues them as standard equipment. The Army has also begun training soldiers in a different style of bayonet use--not affixed to the end of a rifle but as a secondary melee weapon.
To make bayonet training relevant again, the Army got rid of the bayonet assault course, in which soldiers fixed a bayonet to the end of a rifle, ran towards a target while yelling and then rammed the bayonet into the target center. Instead, soldiers learn in combatives training how to use a knife or bayonet if someone grabs their primary weapon.
Some users on Twitter have claimed that, by virtue of the USMC still using bayonets, there actually are more bayonets in use than 1916, when the army had between 100,000 and 140,000 enlisted members. As of 2010, the Corps boasted 203,000 active duty members and 40,000 reserve marines.
Regarding horses, a statue of a member of the U.S. Special Forces on horseback was just unveiled at Ground Zero in New York City. When our Special Forces invaded Afghanistan post-9/11, many did so on horseback. I personally remember sitting for a lecture in Austin, TX in 2005, given by a member of one of the first Special Forces teams to arrive in Afghanistan. He talked at length about their reliance upon horses.
As to the size of the Navy, Romney's remarks about fleet size were centered around a concern that U.S. naval forces would in the near future be unable to operate in multiple regions of the globe simultaneously. While Obama dismissed this out of hand, Vice Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Mark Ferguson reached a similar evaluation months before the debate:
“Our role is really about the flexibility of forces, that they can move to various regions, both in this region in the Gulf and outside the Gulf... Should sequestration be enacted, the Navy would not be able to support the current national defense strategy and it would cause a reduction in the size of the fleet to the point that we would have to relook at the strategy,” Ferguson said. The Navy “would be reduced both in size and in its presence around the globe.”
Even at the beginning of Obama's term as President, the Navy had a goal of producing a 313-ship fleet by 2013. It wasn't until 2012, after three years of unfulfilled promises of economic recovery, that the target was abandoned. What happened between 2009 and 2012 that made the Obama administration decide that it could downgrade the size of the U.S. Navy further yet maintain its ability to operate in multiple arenas simultaneously?
Lastly, and most succinctly, submarines are boats, not ships. Obama got this one wrong as well.
Perhaps President Obama "maybe hasn't spent enough time studying how our military works"?
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Bain's rebuttal as copy and pasted by honey boo boo :)
We have more horses now than we did in 1916? As for bayonets. I’m sure they see A LOT less use in combat now than they did during the trench war of WWI, which was Obama’s point. The last U.S. bayonet charge was during the Korean War way back in 1951.
Like everything else since 1916, the military is more efficient. As the president pointed out last night, one reason we have fewer ships than we had 100 years ago is that naval technology has changed. An aircraft carrier full of planes can replace a flotilla of older ships for certain purposes while being clearly superior for others. Carrier-based planes, for example, can project power much deeper inland than shore bombardment from battleships.
You are wrong on bayonet charges. There are two recent incidents of Marines, low on ammo, ordering their men to fix bayonets. Let me also say there's nothing scarier than an enemy charging with only bayonets, because that's an enemy who's trapped and has nothing to lose.
Like you said for certain purposes. The biggest problem with the Navy as I see it is they are very quickly losing their ability to perform amphibious operations. The Marine Corps attempted to keep ship to shore mobility but the EFV project was poorly implemented and cancelled this year. The problem with that was the cost overruns had already been paid for so we get no amphibious vehicle and we've wasted billions to do it. Why did they kill the project? Because it didn't have a V-shaped hull to safeguard against IED blasts. To which I ask who the hell is planting IED's in the water? Nobody.
The problem with the administration's policy was right in his answer. He thinks superior technology will win the day. This is false. The most advanced force in the world will never supplant a determined enemy on the ground. Did the drones prevent the Libya attack? There's a reason they sent a ground force after Bin Laden and not a drone.
You know why Gomer Pyle is smart? He doesn't need a union to think for him.
Oh BTW. Pugil sticks as shown are how they teach bayonet techniques against a live opponent. That's what is shown in your video and pugil sticks are still in use today.
It looks like Obimbo the empty suit Golfer-In-Chief is caught in yet ANOTHER LIE. The U.S Armed Services Commettee is CUTTING SHIPS, HEALTHCARE, PAY RAISES FOR VETS, ETC ETC. The lame bayonet and horse excuse du' jour is a LIE.
Direct from the Armed Services Commettee website, the TRUTH that Libtards and "president' Obimbo hope you are too stupid to remember:
Defense Budget Cuts Would Limit Raises and Close Bases
Published: January 26, 2012
From the article:
"Nonetheless, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta said he was working with about $500 billion less than he had anticipated having on hand through 2017, meaning that the Pentagon had to trim personnel and favorite high-profile weapons programs. “This has been tough work,” Mr. Panetta said at an hourlong news conference. "
"The Pentagon took the first major step toward shrinking its budget after a decade of war as it announced Thursday that it wanted to limit pay raises for troops, increase health insurance fees for military retirees and close bases in the United States."
"Still, the defense secretary has also called military personnel costs “unsustainable.” The Pentagon currently spends $181 billion a year, nearly a third of its base budget, on military personnel: $107 billion for salaries and allowances, $50 billion for health care and $24 billion for retirement pay. "
“These cuts reflect President Obama’s vision of an America that is weakened, not strengthened, by our men and women in uniform,” said Howard P. McKeon of California, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. “To be clear, the impacts of these cuts are far deeper than Congress envisioned.”
Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a socialist.
I love the smell of burning anger of a losing liberal President in the morning!
That is not the smell of burning anger, that is the smell of shit in your depends. Go change your diaper tool. LOL
Maybe I was wrong.
The tone of this was the same as el Mahico aka Gary aka NoSheetSherlock.
why these horrid schools are in academic crisis and have been for 25 years .
Swearing , perverse sexual projections on others, adolescent scatological references, always lose in debates and always will. Third graders have a better grasp of their lexical inventory than this child does.
Debating and winning with a miserable Liberal is as easy as breathing.
Hoax and Chains: duped & chumped citizens are America's, bane and always have been.