There is no voter fraud.

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's campaign is asking Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli to launch an investigation into voter-registration forms that are being sent to Virginia residents and addressed to deceased relatives, children, family pets and others ineligible to vote.
The errant mailings from the Washington-based nonprofit group Voter Participation Center have befuddled many Virginia residents, leading to hundreds of complaints.
The organization has been mass-mailing the forms — pre-populated with key information such as names and addresses — to primarily Democratic-leaning voting blocs such as young adults, unmarried women, African-Americans and Latinos.

Here's the link for the full story-
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/virginia-politics/2012/jul/25/tdmain0...

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http://www.alternet.org/story/156071/conservative_southern_values_revive...

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Doonesbury now too. Was Calvin and Hobbes too Tea Partyish for you?

Reposting the same story over and over doesn't make it valid after it's points are invalidated.

MikeyA

You guys created him...

If Virginia uses a proper election system, where voters are registered beforehand and then ID'd at the time of the balloting, then none of this would matter. The registry could be filled with false entries but the ID requirement would stop those from turning into false votes.

However, the registration requirement should run on the same ID standards. You can't get an ID for your pet fish Ronald, so under a proper election system Ronald will never be given a registration entry.

If VA allows you to send in a form and gain a registration entry, then it doesn't use a proper election system. That's shameful, considering VA is one of the original 13 states and is the home state of George Washington, the first Constitutional President of the nation.

Without a signature, those voter registration forms are meaningless and wouldn’t be accepted by elections officials. If someone were to fraudulently sign a form filled out in the name of their pet and send it into state officials — let alone actually show up to the polls pretended to be Fido — they’d be committing a felony.

Setting all that aside, Virginia actually has a voter ID law, the type of law Republicans say should prevent any dogs from voting in November.

The Voter Participation Center says it has sent over 200,000 voter registration forms to Virginia voters, while elections officials have received about 100 complaints.

"If someone were to fraudulently sign a form filled out in the name of their pet and send it into state officials — let alone actually show up to the polls pretended to be Fido — they’d be committing a felony" Ok, now here is the follow on. Without a proper check of someone's ID you never know if they're committing a felony.

If I send in a voter registration form with George Smith (assuming my dog's name is George) as the voter and it's processed with my fraudulent signature Fido is then a voter.

Now on election day I show up and give my name as George. I sign my fake signature to the voter rolls. The signatures match. The election officials have no reason to question the validity of my signature or registration UNLESS the election is close. So I committed voter fraud and no one suspects a thing.

Now let's assume we have a close election. Now there's more scrutiny. As they pour over the ballots and registrations, again, my signature matches so there's no probable cause to question the vote, and to question the vote would cause Dems like you to accuse election officials of disenfranchisement. So again, no one really does suspect a thing.

In fact in this scenario the only thing that would/could be called into question is if my dog's name was not George but instead Fido and someone asked the 2nd and 3rd question.

But even the ID requirement does not prevent this.... it only deters it.

Example. I have two dogs: Sadie and Pogo. I shop at pet stores all the time. The dogs ACTUALLY RECEIVE MAIL. Now in many states a piece of mail is an acceptable form of identification. So let's say I register Pogo. Someone questions me when I vote. I say well I don't have my ID but I do have some mail, conveniently I pull out a coupon for dog grooming for Pogo and I explain that I had hippie parents who named me after their favorite childhood toy. Again, in this scenario voter fraud would be committed would be plausible.

And like you said... this is only the cases where COMPLAINTS were made. What of the cases where no one complains? What happens then?

MikeyA

In the case of Virgina, a photo ID is required, so it couldn't happen.

Considering less than 50% of eligible voters actually cast a ballot, to affect a close vote, it would be magnitudes easier to get 1000 legal voters who don’t vote normal to the polls than to create 1000 fake voters and have 100 people commit a felony by voting 10 different times at different places each. On the other hand, it’s way easier to keep 1000 voters from voting.

As a matter of fact, Republicans have never shown voter fraud to be a real issue.

http://www.aclupa.org/downloads/ApplewhiteStipulation.pdf

There have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states.

As for you registering your dogs and coming back to the SAME voting station to vote three times, good luck. You’ve pretty much taking a day off work to commit a couple of felonies for what? Two extra votes. Now you just need to get another 300 people to do the same thing and you have 600 extra votes and 300 felons.

Actually no it is easier to have the 100 people. Case in point. Try to get 1000 people to agree to something legal, very difficult. Now let's get 100 people of poor moral character. Chances are these people are destitute. Studies have shown these people are much more desperate and thus much more willing to risk breaking the law for smaller reward i.e. cigarettes, drugs, alcohol. Likewise it's wrong to assume these people have jobs let alone took the day off.

Plus it's wrong to assume that someone who's willing to break the law would only break it 1 or even 10 times.

So let's say I have 10 people willing to break the law. Since not all poll workers work the entire day we will take your assumption that I can visit a polling station 3 times dressed differently and not be recognized. But who says I only have to visit one polling station?

Let's say I do the same thing with My parents dogs and my grandparents dogs. Now they all live on another side of town and thus different polling location. That means I now can do it 9 times. So 10 people doing it nine times means I now have 90 votes... but what this really means is we have invalidated the votes of 90 other people because we've cancelled their vote out.

AND... the quote you quoted actually proves my point "There have been no investigations" "and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations" So basically no one has ever taken the time to find out. It does not mean it's not occurring. So no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

MikeyA

Heaven forbid that we should use facts instead of ideological belief in order to come to a rational position on this issue!. As SENSORG points out, it is easier to get real registered voters to the polls who usually don't vote and be considered a positive activist, than it is to set up false identities and commit felonies. The actual calculation of voter fraud nationwide is 0.0000002%.

The entire voter ID initiative would make David Copperfield proud! It is misdirection with "smoke and mirrors" at its best! The fabricated scenarios are all attempts to rationalize a blatantly partisan attempt by Republicans to restrict voter participation among likely Democratic voters -- period.

And what if the "fact" is wrong? As I said before see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

MikeyA

And you're naive if you don't think that this is blatant partisanship.

The only misdirection here is from your class of person. Elections have to be certified. Part of the certification process is the assurance of vote uniqueness, chain of custody, etc. These are basic protocols and aren't up for discussion; when people like you bring them up, you're trying to impose ideology. And that ideology is aimed at allowing vote fraud that supports itself. The dead vote. Lots of Liberal and Democrat votes from the lower class. A vast leftwing machine that actually HATES the democratic process and will do anything to keep itself in power (the very definition of Toledo's politics).

Fortunately since VA requires ID, your ideology won't prevail.

What! you mean my dog CAN'T vote?

Sorry Bosco, you're s.o.l.

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

And it's not just Liberals we have to worry about. A system that doesn't depend on ID checks, allows vote fraud to happen, left or right. The prevailing political machine in each district will break election laws to remain in power.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/pinal/articles/2012/07/25/20120725pin...

"A Pinal County supervisor candidate has withdrawn from the race in the wake of voter-fraud allegations involving a former companion who, records show, has continued to vote by absentee ballot in the five years since her death. John Enright, 66, had been seeking the Republican nomination for county supervisor of District 5, an area that includes Apache Junction and Gold Canyon."

The Sec'y of State in AZ should summarily resign, since it's obvious that he or she shouldn't have been certifying elections in AZ since it was so easy to commit vote fraud.

Seriously??

The only thing to take from this article is that NO VOTER FRAUD OCCURRED! And they didn't need a voter ID law to prevent it, because no one tried to vote using their dog's name.

You people are fucking crazy.

Pink Slip

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