ANBODY WANT HEALING?

Anybody Want Healing?

May 3, 2012 By candidobservation

Sometimes, I need help to understand why some things are as they are…like this: why do some white people think it’s racist to acknowledge that racism exists and to talk about it?

I have been chewing on that ever since I had an online chat with a white friend who was furious with me for saying that, at the beginning of the GOP race for the presidential nomination, Newt Gingrich was “playing to his base.”

That base was in the South, and consisted primarily, as far as I could tell, of white people. Many of them resonated with Gingrich’s assertions that black people and their situation in America were surely to be considered; in a speech in New Hampshire he made in January he said “… the African-American community should demand paychecks and not be satisfied with food stamps.” (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/05/newt-gingrich-paychecks-food-st...)

That comment, along with others, such as “President Obama is the food stamp president” are no less disparaging and inaccurate about the lives of African-Americans than was President Reagan’s creation of the “welfare queen” which fed into the belief by many whites that black people are eating up the economy; their access to entitlements are a big part of the blame for the shoddy economic condition of this country, many will say, and any attempt dissuade people of those beliefs usually meet with rabid and bitter opposition.

OK, so I get that …but why, if one talks about the reality of racism in this country is one branded a “racist?” Why is the worst thing to talk about in America race, when our sick racism is at the base of so many of our problems?

In a book entitled To Ask for an Equal Chance, author Cheryl Lynn Greenberg talks about the state of African-Americans during and leading up to the Great Depression. She cites United States Supreme Court decisions few of us know anything about, like Grovey v. Townsend (1935), which said that electoral parties are private groups and can exclude African-Americans from membership and participation, and Norris v. Alabama, (1935) which allowed for the routin exclusion of African-Americans from jury duty. She talks about the “Atlanta Six” who were arrested in 1930 under a slave statutes against inciting insurrection for organizing protest. In The Worst Hard Time, by Timothy Egan, an amazing book which describes the dust bowl of the 1930s, there is a description of signs put out advertising scant employment opportunities, but signs which clearly said “colored need not apply.”

The foundation of America was sewn with racist and with sexist threads…so why can’t we talk about it without being called “racist?

I cringed when, after Trayvon Martin’s case garnered national and international attention, and President Barack Obama made the statement that if he had a son, he’d look like Trayvon, the accusations of him playing the race card flew as though the card game had been set upon by a great, unexpected wind. Those protesting said he was not only playing the race card, but that he was sowing division amongst or between the races, because this is an election year.

The truth of the matter is that racism has been brewing just under the surface of our American political scene since the president was elected. Congressman Joe Wilson’s rude “you lie!” outburst at the president’s first State of the Union speech was beyond comprehension; the tactics of the Tea Party, including some who reportedly spit on revered African-American leaders, was steeped in race.

The truth of the matter is, not talking about race has only made the situation worse. Everybody wants to pretend that “it” isn’t racism that is driving some of what we are seeing and hearing today, but it is…We can’t keep agreeing to be silent. We need to face it and shake out the blanket of American democracy. The wrinkles caused by racism need to go…but if we keep the blanket all balled up, the wrinkles will only become deeper.

A candid observation …

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Says the woman who has said on here several times that Tawana Brawley was raped.

Just a candid observation.

MikeyA

Black Singles, Black Professionals, Black Entrepreneurs, Blackology, Blacks In Technology, etc.

If any 'white mans', group would call themselves "White Accountants of Ohio, it would be SCREAMED ,for every second, of every minute, of every day, of every week, of every month for years...that the group was absolutely RACIST !!!

Double standard ?
Affirmative Captain !!

You can never escape RACISM...it is in our genes to 'generalize", about anyone who is not like me, myself, and I !

All we can all do is to try to get along...and get out of the way of robmobs !!!

... but here goes.

You may be too young to recall the Clarence Thomas hearings. In any case, ask yourself this: Are you happy Thomas is on the Supreme Court? Because I am - because he is a conservative, like me. Because maybe the big divide in the country is idological, and spiritual - not racial.

It's really liberals vs. conservatives, and more importantly to my mind, people who don't know the Lord and hate people of faith (hating Christians in particular, let's be honest here) vs. people of faith.

The reason people think Obama was playing the race card is because he WAS playing the race card - which in his case is ridiculous, because he is both whtie AND black. He missed a chance to appear mature, thoughtful and even-handed, and calm the hysteria down a little. Instead he played the race card, because he is up for re-election this year.

Racism is just one sin among many that people commit every day. Sin is sin. People need the Lord, not Al Sharpton. But discussing racism ad nauseum - to what purpose? So that Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson can lead angry parade after angry parade and his followers [many of whom are better off financially than I am] can look sad and sing "We shall overcome" year after year? I don't think African Americans who want to harp on racism day after day want "healing" - I think they want to tell people off and to denigrate whites in general, and many whites are completely, entirely done listening to this.

Why do some Black people think that they are incapable of being racist?

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

In for some healing. Why do you think Barack said the woman described in his autobiography was a "composite" when it's now clear she was a white woman. Do you think that maybe he realized the sistas wouldn't vote for a young handsome black man who married a white woman? Do you think it's possible that people just don't like him because he is a lousy President? Suggesting that he's the food stamp President isn't racist as most food stamps go to poor whites. And blacks should be demanding paychecks, so should out of work white people. But blacks have been told by every Democrat since LBJ that the Great Society is waiting for them. Well it turns out it's not so great. Broken families, huge numbers of blacks in jails, and on welfare, out of work, neighborhoods bulldozed for section 8 housing etc etc. Please twinkly tell me what about this you like?

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Broken families Fred? Well you're the poster child for that one! Are you blaming LBJ for your divorce?

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

You may want to check the court files again Paul. I wouldn't want to have my lawyer make you apologize, so you should just do it now.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

"Please check the court records on divorce proceedings. I don't know that there is any recourse but I will be contacting my lawyer to see if your continued comments on saying I'm divorced when I'm not, is actionable. Looking forward to your apology."
fred

I received this E-mail this morning from a fellow named Fred. Apparently this Fred fellow, from what he has E-mailed, is not divorced. If true and final I stand corrected and I apologize. Keep us informed as to how it turns out. Now please contact Toledo Talk and have my account reactivated! You've contacted them complaining you can undo what's been done. Reinstate the WOLFMAN's free speech! Also have my wife's E-mail address removed from your SwampBubbles post that you so carelessly posted for all to see.
~WOLFMAN~

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Your wife? I don't know if you are married or not. Where did I post your wife's email?

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

You aren't on Toledo Talk anymore? I wondered why it suddenly became more tolerable. If only I did have the kind of power you suggest I have in having you removed. I do not know the person who owns Toledo Talk nor would I ever suggest he remove anyone for a post. If you have some proof otherwise I would hope you would post that here and I will write an e-mail recommendation that he reinstate you immediately. I'll watch for the proof. Does that seem fair to everyone?

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Fred, you may want to contact your lawyer on his second post.

If you did not post his wife's email or if you did not send JR (Toledo Talk founder) an email then he has publicly made baseless accusations. Now he has shown in the past that he does hold malice towards WSPD talk show hosts, and this shows he is attempting to damage your professional reputation through false claims. He has met the criteria for what you would need for a libel/defamation suit.

Obviously Paul has not learned his lesson and continues his obsessive behavior. Your rights are your own Fred but I would encourage you as I encouraged Roland Hanson to fully defend your rights.

MikeyA

MikeyA,

You're a fine one to give advice to others when it concerns people who publicly make baseless accusations in attempting to damage another's reputation through false claims.

After all, Mike, you are the person when writing about me used these words:
"Anal-Rapist" and "narcoleptic molester" and "a whiny little bitch" and "his life of huge debt, fat wife, erectile dysfunction, etc."

And then, there was this e-mail message that you wrote to my wife:
"Judy, Roland seems a little tense could you give him a few more bj's?"

And like I've said. If you feel I have violated your rights and defamed you then I fully encourage you to exercise said rights and have me prosecuted. Instead you have claimed that I have committed a crime. I have not been indicted, I have not received any legal notice. I contend that I have not committed any crime, only posted inflammatory words towards someone who came onto this site trying to intimidate a regular poster. I stand by my words and actions.

MikeyA

I didn't miss the posting of your proof did I Paul? And thanks for the apology, they seem to be getting easier for you.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Well I finally did look at your court records as you had recommended in your E-mail to my wife and me. It looks like you had filed for divorce against your wife. Is that true? Looks like you have settled amicably. No divorce. See record http://lcapps.co.lucas.oh.us/onlinedockets/DocketDR.aspx?STYPE=1&PAR=DR2... Thanks for the update!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Not a problem, and thanks for the apology earlier. Hope you won't have to do that again eh? Oh by the way you should cut and paste the post where you said I gave your wife's e mail address. And the post that shows I requested your removal from Toledo Talk. Looking forward to you putting as much effort into that as you have into tracking down my personal life.
By the way, I didn't write to your wife, you will notice the salutation says Paul, not Paul and his wife.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

if I knew what you were trying to convey in your paragraph....You are the head racist on 1370 WSPD...............the pompous Brian Wilson is #2.

I won't even bother say "why do some people" I'll just say why does typha call it racist when I ask her a question she can't answer?

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

too funny Fred.

She asks in her initial post why white people call it racism when someone wants to talk about race in America but when you bring up some good points totally devoid of impartiality and totall on topic she brands you the head racist.

purnhrt doesn't want answers. She just trying to cause a ruckus.

MikeyA

... you posted somebody else's blog post (from somewhere) in order to create an opening to call white people you don't like "racists"?? (A term that, in my opinion is so over-used and incorrectly applied in most cases, that it has become meaningless). "Candidobservation"'s piece is poorly written to begin with, and appears to be by someone who doesn't want healing - just wants to remind us that white people, in general are bad people. And now here you are calling Fred & Brian racists. Based on what? I've listened to their programs over the years & didn't detect hatred toward blacks. And I'm not a big Wilson fan. How do you think accusing people you disagree with politically with hatred is going to lead to "healing"?

Maybe the racists are blacks who throw the "racist" slur around constantly. You also didn't say whether you like Clarence Thomas or not. Are you one of those who labeled him an "Uncle Tom"?

It's always interesting to me when blacks who hate Thomas, or Walter Williams or Alan Keyes - people of color - delude themselves that they themselves don't have severe "hate issues" that need to be worked on.

"[W]hy do some white people think it’s racist to acknowledge that racism exists and to talk about it?"

Because of the existence of that terrible infection in the nation known as "the Liberal".

this was a copy and paste post. I didn't write it. You two (Fred, Mikey) are so juvenile. If you don't want healing or don't understand the post just leave it alone......because it is not necessary to use juvenile name calling.etc....So far there are 150 reads, and 150 people have not commented, just those who WANT a "ruckus." As stated, Fred, I don't understand your question..........can you be a little more clearer. No idiotic statements just a question? Let me ask you another question. What kick do you get out of calling me different names? So fifth grade!

I like building bridges between cultures so I'll try again with my questions.
Why do you think Obama kept is quiet that he dated white women? Do you think there could have been a problem for him with African-American women voters?
Do you believe African-Americans are better off now than when the Great Society started?
Do you believe African-Americans should demand paychecks instead of welfare checks?
Okay there you go Twila give it a whirl.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Purnhrt your posting it without adding commentary refuting it means that you are posting it because you support what it says, i.e. taking the same stance.

"because it is not necessary to use juvenile name calling.etc" What name did I call you?

How am I juvenile? I responded that your initial post had one tone, your response to fred had another. As farmergal displayed in her post you've exerted troll-like behavior and you are now trying to walk away from the initial posting as not your own because you "didn't write it". But you DID post it. You call name-call us as juvenile yet your behavior is as childish as I've ever seen on this site.

And BTW, I don't believe 150 reads means 150 have read it. Chris Myers can clarify but I believe one persons "reads" can be counted multiple times. Meaning 5 people could have "read" this 30 times. I could be wrong but I doubt it, only Chris could verify as he set the site up and is intimately familiar with it's rules.

MikeyA

Why is it racists when Obama is talked about, but everything said about Bush was not????

"I would like to apologize for referring to George W. Bush as a "deserter." What I meant to say is that George W. Bush is a deserter, an election thief, a drunk driver, a WMD liar and a functional illiterate".
"Bush's actions remind me of Herman Goering's quote during the Nuremberg Trials, where he stated: '...it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship".
"This President invaded a sovereign nation in defiance of the UN. He is basically a war criminal. Honestly. He should be tried at The Hague"
'While President Bush likes to project an image of strength and courage, the real truth is that in the presence of his large financial contributors, he is a moral coward,"
"George W. Bush is evil. He is a terrorist. He is evil. He is arrogant. And he is out of control."
“I despise him [President George W. Bush]. I despise his administration and everything they stand for....To my mind the election was stolen by George Bush and we have been suffering ever since under this man’s leadership....There has to be a movement now to really oppose what he is proposing because it’s unconstitutional, it’s immoral and basically illegal....It is an embarrassing time to be an American. It really is. It’s humiliating.”
"he sounds more like a gang leader in South-Central L.A. than one that is trying to institute a policy of democracy and reconstruction in the world."

Doesn't sound much different then what has and is being said about Obama, except for the Obama socialism agenda....

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

These comments were said about Bush by black people and were said simply based on his race? Therin lies the difference.

I don't really get the statement, but yeah Al sharpton among others, also do you not believe that there are any comments from blacks made toward Obama. I have talked to a number of young , middle age and older blacks that said quote "Obama is a liar, he lied to us" among other negative statements..

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

And then there's this very well-written and thoughtful article regarding African American racism against Asian Americans - which is NEVER at any time discussed in the liberal media:

http://www.tabunka.org/newsletter/black_racism.html

Are you serious? Mikey sent your wife an email using those words? WoW, so much for him representing our military personnel. That is disgraceful!

What is disgraceful is your attempt to try to start a dialogue on racism in a veiled attempt to name-call people racists. Not very dignified for a woman of a mature age in my opinion.

MikeyA

Yes, PURNHRT, I am serious. It is true that MikeyA sent a message to my wife in which he wrote:
"Judy, Roland seems a little tense could you give him a few more bj's?"

And I am surprised that the USMC allows in its service someone of such low character. People like that disgrace and shame our country.

he is a military man. Then again when I see the atrocities committed by the military in Afghanistan and Iraq, I see where it starts, with little men like Mikey..........SMH...

Purnhrt you've made this claim before. Why don't you ask Chris, MJ, Dave Schulz or the others on here I've personally interacted with to verify it instead of lobbing baseless claims.

And you two have the gall to talk about "low moral character". You both have no problem making accusations. Whereas I admit what I wrote, why I wrote what I did, and stand by my actions.

MikeyA

I'm just not that into you to check and see who you really are!.......lol...even if you are a military man, that accounts for some of the stuff you say that are anti-social comments that I associate with a disorder. PTSD to name one....Now Fred has no excuse he is just a Rush Limbaugh wannabe!

LOL

LOL, another baseless claim from purnhrt. Now she's claiming I have PTSD.

Purnhrt, if you knew anyone with PTSD you wouldn't make that claim. Plus I fail to see how I would have gotten PTSD since I never claimed to have been in a combat situation. I was in Afghanistan but my time outside the wire was limited and I have never claimed otherwise.

"I'm just not that into you to check and see who you really are!" Of course not, you'd rather just lob baseless accusations without bothering to look to see if anything you say is accurate. You attack people without facts and you just don't care. That is why I counter you at any chance.

MikeyA

when did I have the "gall" to talk about your "low moral character?" If you wrote that "stuff" to someone's wife that you don't like, I would say that you do have a low moral charachter and I have no reason to doubt Roland Hansen...

WOW! Mikey's got a fan club! Same nut who trolls the internet following me around also seems to be harassing others. Wonder if he does this important work using the USMC internet server?

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Yes wolfman, I troll and follow you on sites I was registered on 4 years before you were. You got me.

I am waiting for you to join militarytimes.com so I can troll you there too. It's part of my diabolical plan. 1) Get wolfman to sign up for sites I'm on 2) troll him 3)???? 4) Profit.

MikeyA

Wolfman wrote:
"WOW! Mikey's got a fan club! Same nut who trolls the internet following me around also seems to be harassing others. Wonder if he does this important work using the USMC internet server?"

Well, Wolfman when MikeyA sent the vulgar message (specifically - "Judy, Roland seems a little tense could you give him a few more bj's?") to my wife, the information regarding its origin was:
IP: 138.162.140.55, gate25-sandiego.nmci.usmc.mil
Whois: http://whois.arin.net/rest/ip/138.162.140.55

LOL

LOL and who is trolling who. CLASSIC!

MikeyA

That's pretty much exactly what I thought was going on.

Purnhrt, reread my comment. I said you "two" meaning you and Roland, then read Roland, whom I quoted.

Words make up sentences, sentences make paragraphs, paragraphs convey thoughts. Once you've mastered this come back and try posting again.

MikeyA

Pure in heart says "As stated, Fred, I don't understand your question..........can you be a little more clearer. No idiotic statements just a question?" So i post the questions I have and am still waiting. I'm sure at some point she'll say she won't answer because of my attitude, or the questions are biased, or she is ignoring the site again, or has better things to do, or etc etc. Ah what the hell, let's try them again....
Why do you think Obama kept is quiet that he dated white women? Do you think there could have been a problem for him with African-American women voters?
Do you believe African-Americans are better off now than when the Great Society started?
Do you believe African-Americans should demand paychecks instead of welfare checks?

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

you are such a convincer. Slick and sly. I don't have to answer you as you well know but I'll bite, just to prove you wrong about me......lol....1.I have no idea of why President (yes I said President Obama) Obama kept quiet (if he did) about dating white women. When he wrote the book did he know that he would become president? Did he date white women and if he did so what? Do you date black women? What difference does it make who the president dated as long as he wasn't married. 2.I don't think his dating of white women would affect how black women voted for him 20 years later. He ended up with the most beautiful, smart black woman ever! First Lady Michelle Obama! Maybe the white women just weren't his type. YOU KNOW what they say, "Once you go black, you don't go back." But of course you know that due to your studies and cariacatures of black people. You know the videos and the stereotypical way your speech patterns changes when you want to mock black people, surely you have heard that before. 3. If you could explain when the "Great Society" started I could give you my opinion on this question. 4. No I think black people should demand welfare checks, why should only white people get welfare checks? This is an equal opportunity country. Why do so many more white people get welfare checks when black people can't get the same? Now let me ask you a question. Do you think that is fair?
I have not been ignoring Swamp Bubbles, I just have a much better time on Facebook. Ask your friend Troy Neff, he deleted me as a friend because I guess he couldn't take the FB heat. You all are off the hook on Swamp Bubbles!.......lol....Did I answer your questions?

I just realized that i answered your questions but I used the term black instead of African American. You can just substitute black people for African American or vice versa. Thanks...Trywa

Thanks for finally answering twerpa. It's obvious by your answers that you are unaware of much of what goes on around you. You have no idea when the Great Society even started, time to hit Google girlfriend. Your idea that blacks should ask for as many food stamps as whites is just so totally ignorant that it flies in the face of any logic. Both whites and blacks should be demanding jobs not food stamps. And no I don't think it's fair.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

such a twerp that now I am wondering if you really understood my answers. Can you now answer my question? When did the "Great Society" start? I really want to give you a complete answer to all of your questions, so that somewhere down the road your boy Mikey doesn't bring up the fact that Pun Heart didn't answer your question.

Please don't use the term "boy" it is a racist term and has no place in our society, great or not. We can date the Great Society to the signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and include all the major reforms of the LBJ presidency which would include the War on Poverty etc etc. I hope that's clear enough for you, and please watch the racist terms.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Hey Fred, do we get a pass if we call EACH OTHER "boy", "honkie", etc.? It seems fair to me.

you must have been at that meeting that was held the night of the inauguration. You know the one in which the good "ole boys" got together to bring down the new president. "Boy" is not a term that can be used to convey racism when applied to a white person. As far as the Great Society question goes, I will have to give it some thought since you tied it into the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And if you can help it please refrain from telling me what to do. I can say what I want, when I want and how I want. Use those demands on people you can control.....like the people in your household, if you get my drift..An answer will be forthcoming in regards to the Great Society question from Fred the Great Debater!

Actually he did say please. So how is that a demand?

MikeyA

back out of this conversation. Not talking to you!

Well I will assume you're not talking to me since I am not a soldier.

MikeyA

HEY!!!! Don't tell him what to do use those demands on people you can control.....like the people in your household, if you get my drift, well that is if you actually can control anyone in your house, considering how hard it appears to control your own emotions. Take all the time you need twirpa I'm not putting my life on hold waiting for your inane answer. The only reason I even "talk" with you or mess with your name is because the offerings on tv are so lacking in humor. You make me laugh. Dance for me twilie, dance for me like a marionette girlfriend.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

It overflows above and the warmth is Zen- like.

If we were all on Gilligan's Island...who would be left after a few months to tell the tale ?

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

He's been on the down low for some time now.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

are closeted themselves.

I'll agree with that. I say get freakin' married if you want to, so what.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

suffer like the rest of us married slobs?

I find that most people who oppose gay rights and civil unions are either men questioning their manhood or penal insensitive women who believe that the stork should deliver babies.

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