Time to Discuss the Ohio Military Reserve.

Here's a small part of what wiki says about the Unit:

"The Ohio Military Reserve (OHMR) is a military force which supports the State of Ohio along with the Ohio Army National Guard and Ohio Air National Guard in times of natural disaster and state and national emergencies."

So why WOULDN'T they issue medals? Or better, why COULDN'T they? Maybe someone who actually knows about, or belongs to that Military Unit can tell us about it.

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Rich Iott is a true military hero. I saw him in action in May 1970 at Kent State U. Funny, though, he didn't show up in his Nazi uniform. Hey, another opportunity for historical reenactment!

Patience is a great virtue.

Like I said earlier, I hope someone who knows something responds

To answer your question they can receive medals and ribbons but just those issued by the State. They are not a federal force, they do not give an oath to the constitution and thus they cannot wear Federal military medals.

People confuse them with the Ohio Guard. They are not the Guard. The Guard can be called into Federal service by the President. The OMR cannot. They are a state force not a federal force, like the state troopers(who aren't given military medals when working with the guard either).

It doesn't distract that they do serve their state. It just means their service is different from the military.

MikeyA

The Ohio Military Reserve members can wear any federal medals/ribbons/badges they have earned. on their Ohio Military Reserve uniform. The Ohio Military Reserve has their own awards they can earn, which are state awards issued by the OHMR. The state of Ohio has a set of awards that can be issued to the Ohio National Guard, the Ohio Military Reserve and the Ohio Naval Militia. Federal military branches can issue federal awards to State Defense Forces like the Ohio Military Reserve and Ohio Naval Militia and have done so. The Ohio Naval Militia members for example got a federal award from the Coast Guard a few years ago when they did a mission for the Coast Guard. The Ohio Military Reserve is the State Guard, as it was once even called the Ohio State Guard. The Ohio National Guard is the Ohio State National Guard and not the Ohio State Guard. The Ohio Military Reserve is military under federal law (US Code 32, Section 109) and Ohio state law. Pentagon and National Guard Bureau documents reflect the military status of State Defense Forces. The Ohio Military Reserve oath is to the United States Constitution and to the Ohio Constitution. The Ohio Revised Code allows for the President to request the service of the Ohio Military Reserve. Go read the Ohio Revised Code 5920 and 5923. The problem is not with the Ohio Military Reserve's existance, it is with a few people like Iott in the Ohio Military Reserve who lie about their military service and awards. Iott gets away with wearing unearned awards because the majority out their have no idea what a State Defense Force is and a head full of false facts about them.

"The Ohio Military Reserve members can wear any federal medals/ribbons/badges they have earned." It depends on the context of which it is earned.

"The Ohio Naval Militia members for example got a federal award from the Coast Guard a few years ago when they did a mission for the Coast Guard. " Really? What was the award. If you're going to make a claim you need to back it up. I suspect it was a state award and not a federal award. I have NEVER heard of them winning a federal award issued by a service, now being given a commendation by a Commander is different and isn't a "federal award".

"The Ohio Military Reserve is military under federal law (US Code 32, Section 109) and Ohio state law." Actually it's not, in fact, the section of US Code you site specifically states that state militia are not "a reserve compotent of the armed forces". Again I'll site if they were federal recognized military they would earn military benefits and be able to get federal benefits. They can't.

MikeyA

MikeyA wrote "I have NEVER heard of them winning a federal award issued by a service, now being.."

I am sure you haven't heard of a lot of things by the way you write. Some of us are involved in this type of thing daily and know what we are talking about. The Ohio Naval Militia has had numerous federal awards given to its members, as have other State Defense Forces. Here is one article, which I am sure you will read and five minutes later pretend you never saw.

"Columbus Dispatch
Published: Monday, August 19, 1991
NEWS LOCAL & NATIONAL 03C
Eleven members of the Ohio Naval Militia received the Special Operations Service Ribbon from the Coast Guard yesterday at Rickenbacker Air National Guard Base. Capt. Carmond C. Fitzgerald pinned one ribbon on Harry Amolsch of Sandusky, Ohio. The group trained port security units before their deployment to the Persian Gulf."

The Ohio Naval Militia members have got awards several time and this was just the first article I located in my database.

too bad you don't quote it all concerned. You missed "now being given a commendation by a Commander is different and isn't a "federal award". My Commander can authorize civilians to receive a Navy Marine Corps Achievement Medal and has done so. It doesn't mean the federal government suddenly recognizes that person as military. And it doesn't mean it was given by a Federal branch as you suggested in your initial post.

Also since I was unfamiliar with the award in question I looked it up. Here's what I found.
http://www.foxfall.com/fra-cgira-sosr.htm it says it can be "awarded to personnel of the Armed Forces serving in any capacity with the Coast Guard (and certain other individuals) " so the question is was it awarded in this instance to personnel of the Armed Forces or was it awarded to certain other individuals. Still not the smoking gun you claim it to be concerned but I do thank you for referencing a specific instance.

MikeyA

Thanks, MikeyA--does that mean they train with weapons, target practice, etc.? If Iott qualifies, he should get the proper recognition for his scores.

The Ohio Military Reserve has no marksmanship badge. Iott just went and put on the Army Marksmanship Badge, which is illegal, without the Army awarding it or his even being in the Army. Maybe he should just put on the Marine Corps Marksmanship Quailification Badges too while he's at it. They look nice and shiny on a uniform. Shoot a gun, steal the badges that look the best on your uniform. Why should it matter if you are in the military branch the badge comes from or even if the course of shooting you did is even remotely the same as what those really in the branch had to shoot? Well it does matter, and Iott should not wear what he didn't earn.

Concerned Citizen and other uninformed individuals:

"The Ohio Military Reserve has no marksmanship badge.." Please refer to OHMR Regulation 670-1, 672-1, and SOPs 205.00 and 206.00. These are official state documents which describe the courses of fire, the badges, and how to wear them.

"The OHMR is not military because it is not part of the 'Armed Forces' " Not so. State guards are not part of the armed forces of the United States, but they ARE part of the uniformed forces of the State of Ohio (ORC 5903.01). They are part of the same state force as the national guard (ORC 5923.01) The "military" exists at two levels in this country: state and federal; but BOTH are military. According to ORC 5903.02, the federal military "Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act" applies to all OHMR and OHNG personnel equally.

Please do your homework before you highlight your ignorance.

The Ohio Military Reserve has put Marksmanship Badges in their regulations, but has never had the badges made. No money has been put aside to make the badges, so the OHMR has no marksmanship badges to wear. You cannot pin on a badge that does not exist any place other than on paper. I always do my homework.

"State guards are not part of the armed forces of the United States, but they ARE part of the uniformed forces of the State of Ohio (ORC 5903.01). "

I've never asserted they weren't a uniformed service. I stated they weren't military. Under your line of logic the NOAA and the Public Health CC are also both military because they too are uniformed services.

But just like the NOAA and the PHCC the OMR does not rate any benefits under the VA nor do they receive any other military benefits. Technically, ROTC students are more of the military than the OMR because they at least give an oath to the Constitution and are punishable under the UCMJ.

MikeyA

We are called citizen soldiers for a reason. I am in the ohio military reserve and no we are not eligible to receive federal awards or medals but I served for 10 years in the marines and I am aloud to wear my medals and awards I got while I served. Iott is an idiot and I don't think he is a truthful man. We are military the only difference between the national guard and OHMR is we don't get payed anything for what we do we dont get benefits and our uniforms handed to us like the national guard and federal service. And we cannot be deployed outside the state of ohio. We just completed one year of our three year rebuilding process by the time we are done we will be under the control of the national guard. Our problem is knowone respects us and not very many people know we are around.

Tiger the problem is people like Iott and CC refer to themselves as military when speaking. The term military in that context is designed for everyone else to presuppose any of our Armed Forces of which the OHMR is not.

I have no problem giving the OHMR the respect it is deserved as I do fire and police officials but at no time do I try to equate my service with theirs nor do I attempt to misrepresent myself as CC has.

I think every you would agree the level of training you received in the Marines was far different than what you receive in the OHMR.

Knowing the dedication, time, and training that Marines and soldiers undergo would you say the OHMR rates to stand on equal footing with them despite putting forth less of a sacrifice?

MikeyA

By state law the OHMR is a military force as stated in ORC section 5920.01:
"The governor shall organize and maintain within this state on a cadre or reserve basis military forces capable of being expanded and trained to defend this state whenever the Ohio national guard, or a part thereof, is employed so as to leave this state without adequate defense. In case of an emergency proclaimed by the president, or the Congress of the United States, or the governor, or caused by enemy action or imminent danger thereof, the governor, as commander in chief, shall expand such forces as the exigency of the occasion requires. Such forces shall be organized and maintained under regulations which shall not be inconsistent with such regulations as the secretary of defense prescribes for discipline and training "

True, 8 hours a month is all thats required but our unit drills 2 days a month just like the NG and so do many other units in the OHMR, otherwise we would not have time to complete all the training we have to have as assigned by the OTAG. I would put our training up against other military forces as being equal because we focus on training for our mission just like the Armed forces of the United States do. Their mission is for combat. Our mission is not a combat oriented one at the moment, so we focus on training that supports our emergency relief mission. Ohio NG troops and officers have said we are much better qualified for the task than they are because we have the training that they don't get BECAUSE they are focused on their Federal mission today. Outside of the OHMR and looking at other SDFs, there are many that train Federal troops for their combat mission in many capacities because of limited manpower in the Army and NG units currently. The sacrifice is not less than the federal forces, its just different than they experience. Saying its not is like telling a supply or support unit in the US Army they are less of a soldier than a State NG soldier that happens to have been assigned a combat mission. For SDF troops, we spend time away from our families and don't get paid for it. We spend cash out of pocket to help maintain our equipment and our training without any pay allowence so that, when called, we will be ready and able to respond and can complete the mission. The level of dedication is above and beyond in SDF units because money and benifits are not a factor in why we serve. We are dedicated to provide the best service to our nation no matter the mission. And yes, the mission changes all the time for us, so we try to be ready for anything in the best way we can. We are subject to the OCMJ which is just a rehash of the UCMJ. Ohio NG troops are under the OCMJ when on SAD just as we would be, so no differences there either. In short, yes the OHMR is a military force. It is not a Federal Armed Force, but it is military, and capable to perform whatever mission is assigned.

Wild your post did not contest this which is the core of the arugment " The term military in that context is designed for everyone else to presuppose any of our Armed Forces of which the OHMR is not." The dishonesty that Iott used is the core of the argument. CC backed up that dishonesty.

" I would put our training up against other military forces as being equal because we focus on training for our mission just like the Armed forces of the United States do." Agian backing up the dishonesty. The training may be good but it is no way the level of someone who has to train because their life WILL depend on it. Not a question of could or would or may but WILL. That is the distinction. I have to hold my Marines to a higher standard because someone as simple as not paying attention at the wrong time WILL get themselves and other Marines killed. That means we have no room for error. By it's own nature your training will not supercede that. It's not that one is better than the other it's that they're in seperate ball parks. Because by your own admission "Their mission is for combat. Our mission is not a combat oriented one at the moment, so we focus on training that supports our emergency relief mission." training for a noncombat mission is commendable but no where on the same page as combat training. Screw around during noncombat training and you piss people off, screw around during combat training and PEOPLE DIE.

"Ohio NG troops and officers have said we are much better qualified for the task than they are because we have the training that they don't get BECAUSE they are focused on their Federal mission today." Good. All I'm asking is don't attempt to equate your sacrifice with those who put their lives on the line every day. That is what Iott and CC did.

"there are many that train Federal troops for their combat mission in many capacities because of limited manpower in the Army and NG units currently. The sacrifice is not less than the federal forces, its just different than they experience." Exactly. I can respect that. But again not what Iott and CC were doing. They were attempting to pose as if they were members of the Armed Forces or on equal footing. They're not.

"Saying its not is like telling a supply or support unit in the US Army they are less of a soldier than a State NG soldier that happens to have been assigned a combat mission." You're correct it's not. I've seen more noncombat specialists in more dangerous situations than I have combat MOS's.

"We spend cash out of pocket to help maintain our equipment and our training without any pay allowence so that, when called, we will be ready and able to respond and can complete the mission. The level of dedication is above and beyond in SDF units because money and benifits are not a factor in why we serve." Ok, I've had Marines do the same thing. For us it doesn't speak to dedication. It speaks to keeping yourself safe. We don't bitch about it, we don't ask for any special favors. You write it off on your taxes and get the money back that way.

"We are dedicated to provide the best service to our nation no matter the mission." You don't serve the nation. You serve the state. It's not symantics which was my point about Iott and CC. The difference is I don't believe you are maliciously misleading everyone as they did.

"We are subject to the OCMJ which is just a rehash of the UCMJ." True but there are and have been significant differences. For instance I will cite Fraternization and Homosexual conduct.

"In short, yes the OHMR is a military force. It is not a Federal Armed Force, but it is military, and capable to perform whatever mission is assigned." Well according to the OCMJ it is an "organized militia" not even military reserve. But I will cede that the term "military" can mean other than Federal Armed Forces but again not in the context as used by Iott and CC. Capable to perform whatever mission is assigned? So if you were assigned the mission of make pigs fly you could accomplish it? LOL I'm just busting your balls here. Again, I do respect the OHMR but in the context that the other two used the term "military" and "sacrifice" they were attempting to portray themselves as serving the same as a young soldier or Marine in Afghanistan. It's just not true. It's a different level of service. Commendable, honorable, but not equal in that case. Saying it is is intellectually dishonest. I would no where attempt to equate my garrison service and sacrifice with someone in combat. I can see my son, my wife. They can't. Yeah I may get long days and have to put off weekend plans or take late night phone calls but I do not equate what I am currently doing with what my colleagues in Afghanistan are doing because it's not the same. I believed that before I ever went to combat and now having been there I know it to be true.

MikeyA

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