If city council passed a rule that there will be no more double dipping

Does it mean Carty cannot run for city council or for that matter any other elected or appointed position in the city?

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My opinion is that he or anyone else could only accept one salary or the other, not both.

Lets say John works for a company for 30 years and retires with a pension and full benefits.

He must be replaced.

If they replace him with someone else the company will still be paying John his full pension and benefits, plus the starting salary and benefits of the replacement.

OR

they hire John back and let him double dip. the company will be paying John his full pension and beneifts for the retirement part of his income, but for the work part of his income, the company doesnt have to pay him any benefits.

What's more cost effective for the company? If the company is a government entity, what's the best bang for the taxpayers' buck?

Ive got no opinion either way -

At the company I work for, the former retired CEO still get's paid by the company as a consultant. What's the difference?

"What's the difference?"

It's a private company....Duh...

Not only that...if you are a union and try this.. (RETIRE then go "consult") .you will not only not be able to draw that pension...you might LOOSE it altogether...

Double dipping for public employees should be illegal.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I thought conservative were for running the government like a business. People in business do it all the time.

As far as not being able to operate with a constant deficeit..sure...as far as double dipping?...hell no.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

huh? So something that is used in businesses all the time to attract and retain educated and well trained employees shouldn't be used by the government?

Blah to the blah...

Retirement should mean retirement...bye bye..here's your gold watch...enjoy florida....

People are "retiring" with no intention of quitting, they are working the SAME JOB...they are doing it to fleece the system...

But it's no shock you'd support outright fleecing of the tax payers...

http://www.wnewsj.com/main.asp?SectionID=42&SubSectionID=201&ArticleID=1...

It’s called double dipping — the practice of hiring retired teachers and school administrators, allowing them to earn a salary and collect a pension at the same time. While it’s entirely legal, and strongly defended among the ranks of education professionals, the practice threatens to stick Ohio taxpayers with a big bill. As a result, we believe a line must be drawn against new double dipping and action taken in Columbus to reform the system that allows it.

In individual cases, a savings can be realized at the local school district. The teacher or administrator will accept a lower salary because he or she will receive both a salary and pension. The school district realizes additional savings by not having to pay benefits that the retirement system pays. At the same time, it is argued by supporters of the practice, the district continues to benefit from the work of an experienced educator.

But a statewide problem looms. When the educator retires, his or her contributions into the State Teachers Retirement System can stop. That system has suffered investment losses, has $40 billion in unfunded liabilities and is seeking a taxpayer bailout. The Ohio Department of Education reports that there are 3,305 Ohioans with credentials to be superintendents. While experience is beneficial, it can also be argued that school districts could be well served by the new ideas and practices of new educators.

Double dipping is especially prevalent among school superintendents. More than 25 percent of Ohio’s 614 school superintendents are drawing full retirement benefits. Superintendents and teachers in Clinton County have been double dippers in recent years. The latest superintendent in Clinton County to seek being rehired after retiring is Ron Sexton, a 30-year veteran of Wilmington City Schools who has served the past three years as superintendent. He has said that, under a preliminary new contract, Wilmington City Schools stands to save $28,000 a year. His anticipated new salary would be $113,000, less than the $115,379 he receives currently. The majority of savings will come from the district not having to pay for benefits it currently pays.

As much as elements of double dipping appear out of balance with the rest of the nation’s work/retirement realities, so is the level of compensation the state gives to school administrators. A February study by the Brookings/Greater Ohio Policy Study Center found that Ohio ranks ninth among states in the tax dollars spent on administration. At the same, the state is 47th in the amount of money going into classrooms. Ohio’s share of spending on administration, the study found, was 49 percent higher than the national average. The State Teachers Retirement System has more working retirees than any of the five Ohio pension systems and paid out $741 million in 2009 to 15,857 retirees. That’s an average benefit of $46,800.

There is much for residents of Wilmington City Schools to consider, and they should be provided ample opportunity to ask questions and raise their concerns publicly. The scheduling of a public hearing today at the inconvenient hour 7 a.m. was the wrong move by the board. Such a hearing should be conducted in the early evening. We urge the Wilmington City School Board to hold at least one more public hearing in the evening prior to its scheduled vote on the matter July 26.

Ron Sexton has served Wilmington City Schools well. It’s double dipping that’s the problem.

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And TPS want a 7.8 mill levy NOW!!!!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

People have earned their retirement money. No different if they paid in SS, a state pension or a 401k. That money is theirs, it's not the stock holders, the governemnts, or tax payers.

For a "small government" guy you should like to tell people how to live, what they do when they get old, when and where they can work and how much they can make.

If I choose to work full or part time once retire, that's my own business, not yours.

Again...blah to the blah...

You're doing the neutron dance....

You first claimed:

"So something that is used in businesses all the time to attract and retain educated and well trained employees shouldn't be used by the government?"

That's not what double dipping IS at all...

It's retirement on paper while having every intention is NOT retiring AT ALL...they keep working FULL TIME..at the same job!

IMHO it's FRUAD...and FLEECING the tax payer....

If a private business want to do it...so what...they have to answer to the share holders or board of directors...

And if you want to work "part time" more power to ya...but if you choose to work "full time"...like these double dippers are...you'll lose benifits...while they dont...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Is Carty actually drawing a pension from his Mayorial position? If not then I see nothing preventing him from holding another elected or appointed position.

If man has no tea in him, he is incapable of understanding truth. ~Japanese Proverb

Of course you would he was great lets bring him back for more divisiveness now in city council. That should go over well, he'll make the news every meeting he attends.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

I'm with billy on this. What difference does it make? The pension is earned, it's going to be paid whether the person that earned it gets another job or sits at home.
The "other" job, well, whoever got hired would have to be paid whether they were drawing a pension or not. So, again, what difference does it make?
Is it jealousy of the person earning two incomes?

I have a bunch of friends that retired from Jeep and went to work for Kuka making the same wage they made at Jeep. Personally, I wasn't crazy about the idea. I viewed it like this. For 30+ years they were blessed with one of the better paying blue collar jobs in town. For them to take these Kuka jobs is to keep some young person from a decent paying job at a time when they may be trying to start a family.
Still, it's their choice, they earned their pension, and Kuka needed workers.

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

Note...they retired from Jeep....and didnt keep the SAME job at Jeep...they went to work for a subcontractor...

Also...a private company not on the taxpayers dime like a public employee...

And if you tried this in the building trades...and get caught...they WILL yank the union provided portion of your pension...

Also of note...the teachers union prohibits teachers from doing this...they have to wait for a while before they can even VOLUNTEER at a school...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

That still doesn't actually address the "what difference does it make" part of my argument.

In any event, whoever does the job must be paid, and the person that earned the pension must be paid. The same amount of money goes out regardless of who does the job, correct?

Actually, now that I think about it, there could be a chance that if the person receiving the pension gets the job, they may not need benefits that would normally be part of the compensation package. It might actually be a savings to hire them.

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

Yeah...that's the hook..."cost savings"...

All that really means is that they are overpaid and over compensated in the first place...

Much like the new guy...who will net over half a million for three years...and gets 500 a month for a car.....while they cut bus service for the kids...

You could make this an entirely NON paid position and find many who would still take the job as a service to the community...

We used to call it philanthropy...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

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