Do we as citizens have the Constitutional right to bear arms.

Yes
86% (83 votes)
No
14% (13 votes)
Total votes: 96
No votes yet

For those of you who know of Alexander Hamilton, he said "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed" See the Bill of rights is not the only place to find a pro-gun right belief, its in the Federalist Papers also.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Damn right!

If we ever lose that right...God help us!

... we actually agree on this, CatLady.

FYI - there is a Second Amendment Rally June 18 at 7 p.m. at Cleland's Outdoor World on Airport Hwy. Will have some great speakers, Friends of the NRA, and others there. If we don't show our vocal support for our rights, we give politicians the chance to challenge them.

Why would we ever want to allow bears to be armed, I mean, just think of the havoc Yogi would have caused were he armed. Oops, nevermind.

BPHTOL

Gee...wonder who the 4 idiots are.....

Lets see who jumps up:

LIBTARDS!

*snicker*

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I would guess doggy boy and sensorg are a yes, and historymike is a maybe. :)

I've been trying my hardest to ignore you douchebags lately, but no, you're welcome to your guns. I could care less. Besides I thought Bill Clinton look them all from his black UN helicopter...

Please layer up your foil hat and keep douching away...

The Gun ban was one of the reasons the dems got tossed in 94'

Thus when Holder brought it up, he got roundly bitch slapped by many in congress...

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/03/24/a-self-inflicted-gun-wound.html

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Eh...it's up to six now...Mike claims to carry a gun...so I hadnt considered him as anti-2nd...

Not everyone who reads swampbubbles also posts...

I do wonder if any of "no's" will pony up and enlighten us...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Because each no vote seems to cause you mental anguish.

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

Uh huh....Riiiight...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Why are you even asking this question? It's pretty clear in the national contract with its citizens...The Constitution.

Contracts don't mean anything to Marxists. Hahaha

Unless it's a Union contract....then they got a lawyer on speed dial...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

From HelenWheales: Why are you even asking this question?

To see if he could get something started. Kind of like giving a retard a book of matches to play with in a fireworks store out on Telegraph road.

For my part, I'd like to know just who the door knob sucking twinkle toed commie cock suckers were who voted 'no'.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

...Are the Ohio Concealed Carry license requirements unconstitutional?

I say yes. It feels no different than requiring someone pass a literacy test to vote. I believe there should be no requirements at all for voting or gun carrying other than adult citizenship.

Arizona, Alaska, New Hamshire

These states do not require a permit to CCW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_(by_state)

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Its just more government regulation. You shouldn't have to have a llcense to vote, carry a gun, drive a car, fly a plane, tune a piano, perform brain surgery . . .
This is America, we should be able to do what ever we want no matter what anybody else thinks. Me first! To hell with everyone else's rights.

"Its just more government regulation. You shouldn't have to have a llcense to vote, carry a gun, drive a car, fly a plane, tune a piano, perform brain surgery . . ."

Note...only one of these is an enurmerated constitutional right.

(hint ...it's not voting...)

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

...that so many amendments outline reasons you can't be denied a right to vote, but no positive affirmations as to having a right to vote....

You missed the point. Yes, the 2nd amendment says you can have a gun - boy you folks spend a lot of time making sure the rest of us know that. But my point was that guns are dangerous. Guns, like cars, kill and injure people everyday; out of both ignorance and honest mistakes. For folks, and I'm not saying you're one of them, to claim that there should be no regulation placed on them, is dangerous as well. I'm not in favor of banning guns any more than i am in favor of banning cars. But to asking someone to get a license that says the person is competent in the safe operation of either is simply good public policy.
Look, the Framers made some mistakes. So lets step away from the position that says "if its in the bill o' rights, it must be right."

You know I believe you need to move to Russia, or Iran, or somewhere similar. You stated ("But to asking someone to get a license that says the person is competent in the safe operation of either is simply good public policy".)
First of all you have a problem with sentence structure, second, the shootings at Columbine and Virginia where criminal record free maniacs, so, if they would have obtained a license, according to you, they would have been competent and in good policy, before they killed those people.
Think about this, if students and professors were allowed to have their own personal guns, do you think all those people would have died? Anywhere that you are not allowed to carry a gun, only affects those who obey the law, it does not stop the criminal from carrying a gun were ever he or she wants. Gunfree zones are target practice zones for those who have and will kill again.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

'First of all you have a problem with sentence structure, second, the shootings at Columbine and Virginia where criminal record free maniacs, so, if they would have obtained a license, according to you, they would have been competent and in good policy, before they killed those people.'

Are you teaching sentence structure now???

Do you not have a problem with this sentence? "(But to asking someone to get a license that says the person is competent in the safe operation of either is simply good public policy".) If not I understand your reply to it... The point becames Irrelevant in the error of sense and grammar...

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

your sentence structure is no better than his, or your spelling, for that matter.

You dont need a comma between spelling and for...grammer fail.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

What does Frasier have to do with punctuation?

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

yup...spelling fail.....grammer=grammar

Still the wrong place for a comma.(yes that would be punctuation not grammAR )

But then again..I'm not so full of ego I cant admit a mistake...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

tHE hoe pointe of the lasst sentence, not to say I'm perfect and don't make mistakes, but not in that case.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

lol, look, you made a crack about someone else's sentence structure, then type something like this (yes, I realize your misspellings here were of the ha-ha variety).

Anyway, you and your buddies carry on with whatever you were doing here.

tHE hoe pointe of the lasst sentence, not to say I'm perfect and don't make mistakes, but not in that case.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Go call your old English teacher and ask him/her if this makes any sense.

You know, if you quit hangin' out on here with Dumb and Dumber, you might find your way through the deep, dark woods.

You shouldnt shun people like that...he can hang aroung with you guys if he wants to...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Exhibit A:

'aroung'

Either too dumb to know better or too lazy to edit or quite possibly both. Should I post a SB poll?? That's ok, I know, you're not a 'spelling Nazi.'..

LMAO...thank you McNasty!...who needs a spell checker when we have you bud.

I thought you "were done playin"...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

"You missed the point. "

No..I nailed your point/..thus your need to crab walk it further....

"Yes, the 2nd amendment says you can have a gun"

No...the 2nd amemdment "enumerates" that right.....you are endowed with that right by for your creator...

The right to self defense is a human right that pre-dates the US constitution.

"- boy you folks spend a lot of time making sure the rest of us know that."

So you dont view yourself as an American citizen?..these are YOUR rights as well...

" But my point was that guns are dangerous."

No...your point was based on mockery...that the govt regulates many legal activites via licensing therfore gun owners should also be licensed and anyone who is against it is illogical...

"Guns, like cars,"

There is no "right to drive"...your anology is a farce.

" kill and injure people everyday; out of both ignorance and honest mistakes."

No doubt....many do not belong behind the wheel....but that has nothing to do with enumerated constitutional rights....

"For folks, and I'm not saying you're one of them, to claim that there should be no regulation placed on them, is dangerous as well."

Strawman....felons lose the right to bear arms AND vote....something most gun owners support...

" I'm not in favor of banning guns any more than i am in favor of banning cars."

Meaningless Disclaimer

" But to asking someone to get a license that says the person is competent in the safe operation of either is simply good public policy."

There is no right to drive....and licensing schemes ARE an "infingment".

"Look, the Framers made some mistakes. So lets step away from the position that says "if its in the bill o' rights, it must be right."

Ah yes...The money quote.

No...they didnt "make a mistake"...and no...we wont "step away from the bill of rights"

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

So much for a rational discussion. I get it, your god says i have rights, hence I have rights. Lets not try and think about it or dig a little deeper. I'll boil it down to the form of analysis and contemplation preferred by repubs, libertarians and born again nut jobs - the bumper sticker: Guns are dangerous and should be regulated.

"So much for a rational discussion."

Why...becuase I dare use language from the declaration of indepence or the constitution?

Because I can read and understand what these documents clearly say?

" I get it, your god says i have rights, hence I have rights.

"

Hrm....Nope...you DONT "get it"...

I didnt say God, Gods,great spirit, pixies unicorns ,krishna, budda, johova, mohammed what ever..

It could be read as EVOLUTION...

You have these rights BECAUSE YOU EXIST...you are "endowed them" by your "creator"....not govt....they are the rights of all FREE MEN.

Lets not try and think about it or dig a little deeper.

Oh lets...

" I'll boil it down to the form of analysis and contemplation preferred by repubs, libertarians and born again nut jobs - the bumper sticker: Guns are dangerous and should be regulated."

"Guns are dangerous"....ah I see....you're a hoplophobe...or perhaps you think inanimate objects act all on their own?

Guns ARE regulated....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Add ive to your name, and then add it to your beliefs, and it = a Socialist, Marist, Wolfie, Purnhrt, ass backwards Obama my messiah mentality.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Once again let me point out the obvious.

You Libs know how we real Americans are always saying "Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns"?

Let me explain what that means.

Imagine the type of person with the mentality to commit a crime using YOUR logic.

For instance, a criminal may use this thought process according to Liberal "logic":

'I think I will car-jack this car, kidnap the woman driver, take her to a back alley and repeatedly rape her, then go and rob a liquor store, take the money, grab some booze and kill the clerk. BUT I'D BETTER GET A LICENSE FOR THAT GUN SO THAT IT IS LEGAL! After all, when I shoot the carryout cashier, I don't want to hurt myself."

Don't you people put any thought into your statements like "But to asking someone to get a license that says the person is competent in the safe operation of either is simply good public policy." Yea, that will be the one law a criminal will abide by, right? HAHAHAHA!

And, using your logic, we should require the stupid masses to obtain a license on the safe operation of a table saw. After all, if the Darwinian failures somehow hurt themselves using a table saw, we are going to have to pay that losers healthcare now.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

What really gets to me are the home security commercials. Brinks, Guardian, etc. all show some type of home invasion such as the ex-boyfriend breaking in or a thug interrupting dinner. In one to three seconds the intruder is scared off by the alarm and some minimum wage slave is calling the almost-victim on the phone and promising to send help right away. What do people think really happens in cases like these? Are they nuts?

Consider the happy couple leaving on a dinner date. The nasty ex-boyfriend, a 6'2" 250 pound brawler with half a load on confronts Our Happy Couple in the front yard. After the mandatory name calling and expletives (three seconds, max) the nasty ex (NX) plants a solid one to his replacement's midsection, causing Nice Guy to coil up like a pretzel. He then holds ex-girl friend by the hair while he slaps the shit out of her, delivering six or eight full hand slaps to the head and a random body shot or two. He finishes with a few kicks to Nice Guy on the way out, breaking a some ribs and maybe a few teeth. Ten minutes later the police arrive to pick up the pieces and file the charges; assault, felonious assault, violation of parole, violation of restraining order... then there may be outstanding warrants as well. The security company? They call later on and ask if everything is alright. The restraining order? How did it protect either of them? This is the reality that people deny. The police would like to help you, but they can't. They aren't right there at your home. Same thing with the security company, they aren't there.

Now think. I know it's painful, but try real hard.

Imagine the same scenario, only this time Our Happy Couple is armed. Nice Guy pulls a model 1911 .45 and slips the thumb safety off. The hammer's back and the bad guy can look right down the barrel. Ex-girl friend hauls out an S&W .357 in stainless, adopts a Weaver stance and screams:

I will air you out motherfucker!!!

The nasty ex-boyfriend is bigger than they are, a better brawler than either of them will ever be and is half in the bag - but he isn't too drunk to be completely stupid. He runs. It's unlikely he'll ever come back. Our Happy Couple can relax and have a nice evening. They don't bother calling the police. What's the point? He's gone, the threat's over and done with.

And that's reality. That is how it happens, one way or another, all the time. If you're threatened, just display that you're armed and the predator vanishes. They want easy pickings, not hot lead. As for calling the police after the fact, why bother? Some police have no trouble with all of us being armed. Other police don't see it that way, and in fact will arrest you, the almost victim, for defending yourself, or carrying a concealed weapon, or causing a disturbance or my own favorite: resisting arrest.

Just arm yourself.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

to be asking IN THIS TOWN.

If there is a Constitution, then yes all of you should have that right.

I on the other hand do not have Constitutionally protected Rights. Oh but wait, I am an American citizen...born at St. Charles Hospital in Toledo err Oregon at the time but I digress.

Any Attorneys here? Any Constitutional Attorneys? Any Atttorneys willing to look beyond the cover story?

If so, check out dancer-in-america below and email me, oops that won't work...locals have my computer hacked...well ask the named offenders where I'm located and get in touch with me if you decide you want the lawsuit of your life.
I'll make you Famous friend, and very wealthy.

Oh Chris BTW, why am I logged out every time I come back to swampbubbles?

Not sure where you’re going with your post, can you clarify for those of us who are mentally challenged.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Man I've read some CRAZY shit over the years...you take the cake...you make "david bent over" look like he's sane.....your blog reads like a unibomber manifesto...

While I’m thinking about it, I went to visit my Mom a year or so ago. We were sitting on her front porch on .... and every time one of your police cruisers went down her street I had my sexual areas thumped in the way I’ve explained in my letter to Senator Obama

Dude...it wasnt the police cruisers giving you wood...it was your mom...

Seek mental help...RIGHT NOW.

I'm tempted to flag you to the feds myself...ofcorse...with the chip in your arm and your computer hacked by the black ops...they are probably already watching you....

ROFLMAO

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Yeah, My sense of this was off the charts as well .

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

10.0 on the sphinctor scale....

SHEW!

Update: it appears I was wrong about whisperer.....she's not a dude after all....

This should really get you paranoid whisperer.....you leave a trail on the internet that can be seen from space...

Your democratunderground nickname is; Torn_Scorned_Ignored

Libtard of the highest order....funny thing..even the libtards on DU are laughing at the crazy crap you post...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”