TPS' Romulus Durant pitches levy to Arlington ave neighborhood group

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He came to our meeting tonight, says he oversees principals . He was asked , why do do principals need overseers , and why is TPS so top heavy at HQ ? How much do you make ? He said 81 K , and he would make 200 K in NY ! What a lame answer to give in tough times. He said they are getting a 13 million dollar funding cut from Columbus. They need to make their cuts, start at the top ! Start with him !

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I don't understand. TPS is 30M in the red and you are worried about this guy's 81K? Maybe I'm wrong, but I sense a general bias against people who make decent money in this town. Teachers, cops, etc. Is there a bias, or do you really think that there needs to be no layer of adminisration above the 40+ principals that TPS has?

Get the unemployment rate down to 1% to 3% and you'll see these objections fade into entropy. It isn't this man's $80,000. It's the fact that Toledo has schools that are failing, the school system is demanding more money to support a failing system, and the economy is so bad that there isn't any more money to be had.

The school system doesn't care about the rest of us. The TPS system cares about itself, first, foremost and always. It is never satisfied and never will be satisfied. The general population would likely pass a new levy if:

1. They had good jobs and lots of money.
2. The TPS system was actually working. It isn't.

The idea of raising taxes during a depression is ludicrous. The government should learn to get along with a lot less.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Why is it not his money? He was hired to do the job, just like the police officer, the firefighter, etc. Would you tell them that it is not thier money? What about the Captain serving in Iraq making 81K? Is it his money - or not? I say it is. They got hired to do a job - it is their money. Its kind of insulting that you think otherwise.

It is apparent that MadJack was not saying Durant is not entitled to the pay for which he works. "It''s not his money" means "the people are not angry about his salary as they are about these other things."

Which he lists. Read it again, and avoid jumping to conclusions based on a cherry-piecked, out-of-context phrase.

::sigh::
Remember to write with your audience in mind.

Thanks, HistoryMike.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

do what ? He oversees 3 principals. His job should be completely eliminated . Schools used to be a lean machine . This is a real recession with real cutbacks needed

Do you really think his job is to "oversee" 3 principals - really? Which 3? Just because you don't understand the complexities of another man's job, doesn't mean he doesn't do anything. Dang, why is there so much angst about hard-working people making decent money. Who do you think supports the economy, people making minimum wage. Good jobs are good for everybody!

If his job were gone , would it matter at all? I think Dave Yenrick at Waite could do his job without this guy peeking in on him ! really !

That's what I mean, "would it matter at all?" You don't know - neither do I. I guess I wish there were more constructive suggestions for how to fix the budget issues at TPS. It is really easy to say fire this guy and get rid of this woman. But it is way more complicated that that - and I suspect you know that. This would be a good time, for example, to turn some of this anger toward the folks in Columbus who have been told numerous times to fix the school funding problem. Voters get ticked every time there is a levy. But the funding model is designed to force districts to constantly plead for money (because the revenue stream dwindles - by design). The result is a race to the bottom. Voters demand cuts, programs get axed, people get laid off. It sucks for everyone.

everyone? The one it shouldn't suck for are the students who are the client. It should only suck for them as a last resort.

There have been constructive suggestions for how to fix the budget issues. TPS administrators just won't listen!

I don't see voters getting ticked every time there is a levy. Generally, a few oppose the levies but they always pass. This time it is the wrong tax wrong time!

The race to the bottom has absolutely nothing to do money. It is a lack of respect for the client, who are the students. TPS has models that work, TTA, TECH, Grove Patterson, Old West End (?) for a limited few. Why not for the entire district?

make $200,000 in New York, he should be on the first plane out of here. Why stay here if you could make 200 thou somewhere else? Is he "staying for the kids?" Also he oversees more than three principals. Between he and Diane Irving they "oversee" all of the elementary school's principals in Toledo.

There is one principal at Lagrange who needs some "overseeing" as he is very abusive to children, which will be revealed soon. Irving and Durant have been very non responsive to the parents who have reported this abuse to them. This man is very violent.

I don' t think anyone begrudges the public sector their good living wages, what we do begrudge is the fact that they feel entitled to money that is not there and would rather the children suffer rather than making some concessions. The police would rather see their brothers laid off and the city become "unsafe" rather than give concessions.

If the money was there let them have as much of it as they can make, but the money is no longer there and the public has taken cuts so why can't they? Plus they will eventually get it back. Just greedy and selfish.

The Bible says, "woe to the shepherd who feeds himself before he feeds his sheep."

From Prnhrt: make $200,000 in New York, he should be on the first plane out of here.

That was my thought as well.

From relocation calculator: A salary of $80,000 in Toledo, Ohio should increase to $168,194 in New York, New York

So if you believe the man and the calculator, he could live in a larger city and get a nice raise at the same time. Rest assured, were I given that opportunity the very last thing you'd see is the back of my collar.

$200K jobs aren't just given away. I imagine the man doesn't move because a new job would mean serious work, and he's got a nice cushion here.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

cops don't live in Toledo but make their living off of Toledo's population. No wonder they don't want to make concessions, they probably say "to hell with those people." They come to work here then move out at the end of their shift and go to the burbs to live and spend their money.

I am not sure what Romulus Durant does, but let's assume he is in charge of Principals for Toledo Public Schools. Let's say he does make $81,000 a year.

Why is everyone so upset at his salary when Alex Rodriguez of the New York Yankees makes $33,000,000 a year because he can throw a ball?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_paid_baseball_players#2009_...

Where is the "outrage" at the obscene salary of someone who has a talent in sports? Is the "outrage" only reserved for those people who happen to have a talent at management instead of throwing a baseball? Is it OK to be "outraged" when someone has a talent other than sports is paid more than you who may not have that talent?

Why is it that the proletariat is happy to pay one person who does not create any jobs, does not create any product, does not create anything except a couple hours of TV show programming, $33,000,000 a year while a person who takes responsibility for part of the education of your children is chastized for making $81,000 a year?

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Let me field this one (pun intended). Alex Rodriguez works for a private company that has decided he is worth many millions of dollars. Should I choose not to enjoy his talents on display I simply don't attend Yankee games. He also has a number of bonus clauses for performance. Mr. Durant on the other hand is paid with my tax dollars. Should I choose to send my children to private school I still pay to see his talents on display. I doubt very much he has any performance clauses in his contract and like many public employees he would be difficult to fire.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

It's kind of complicated, but I'll explain it as best I can.

Have TPS Administration and the Toledo Federation of Teachers renegotiate the contract based on the Cornell University UAW Contract in that, during the summer "layoff", allow the temporarily unemployed teachers to collect Unemployment Insurance like the Cornell University UAW workers.
http://www.uaw2300.org/BF/BFMay2009.pdf

1) According to Ohio Law, the school year is 180 days with 180 days off.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1446657/will_extending_the_ohio...

2) The average pay for a TPS teacher is $47,226 per year (calculated from payroll information taken from TPS.org)
http://www.tps.org/teacher-salary-schedule.html

3) Allow the teachers to collect unemployment during their 180 day summer “layoff”.

Now follow me….
IF unemployment for the summer “layoff” is $600 a week, then pay the teachers $1216 a week during the school year.

Here’s the math.

Current average teacher salary $47,226 (extrapolated from http://www.tps.org/teacher-salary-schedule.html )

Assume $600 week for 26 weeks unemployment during summer “layoff”

Increase pay to $1216 a week for 26 school weeks

Total unemployment $15,600
Total TPS payroll $31,626
Gross yearly per teacher $47,226

Savings PER TEACHER to TPS $15,600

Total number of teachers in TPS 2631 (extrapolated from TPS phone directory from http://www.tps.org/TPS_Teacher_Directory.html )

Total yearly income to teachers WOULD NOT CHANGE.

Total yearly savings to TPS is $15,600 times 2631 teachers or a total savings of $41,043,600

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

1. The 180 days is state minimum, and most districts are closer to 200.

2. There are 7 days in a week for teachers, just like for the rest of the world, which means 36 five-day workweeks. The typical school year runs from mid-August to mid-June, meaning that the "layoff" would be 8-9 weeks for most teachers, and in some districts the actual non-school time is more like 6-7 weeks.

3. In addition, most teachers use the summer for curricular development, professional development, and other work-related functions. They justify the work and work-related functions in their annual salary, which might be a problem if they are working while collecting unemployment.

4. Shifting salaries to the state just shifts the burden elsewhere (namely SUTA and FUTA). Those taxes will increase to offset the unemployment, meaning higher payroll taxes for employers, leading to higher prices for consumers and/or job losses in the private sector. Also, the TPS rates for FUTA and SUTA would skyrocket, and in the long run they would probably add many millions of dollars to the TPS budget. Unemployment, unfortunately, ain't free.

5. IMHO, the TPS system needs to cut jobs, close schools, and balance their books with actions that will be painful in the short term (no one likes to see a school close) but that reflect declining enrollment. TPS has a bloated infrastructure due to declines in the population of Toledo and the exodus from the system of parents seeking a better education for their children in private and charter schools.

LibsCanBlowMe, evidently math is not your strong suite.

From HistoryMike: no one likes to see a school close

Where did you get that idea? I'd love to see a few schools close, with special attention paid to the schools that are in 'academic emergency', otherwise known as 'failing'.

This whole budget mess is a fiasco driven by personal interest and ignorance. I'd like to see the governor of Ohio appoint a consultant to solve the budget crises. Give him a couple weeks or so and let him eliminate positions and school programs, like organized sports.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

I was thinking in terms of the sentimental value that people develop for the schools they called home and their children may now attend. I too think that there are more schools than the city needs, and that closing at least one high school, one junior high school, and several elementary schools is not only a fiscal necessity but in keeping with Toledo's shrinking population.

...and while there things about the school I liked it was often depressing. Maybe the lighting is better now but I can remember walking down some of the halls groping toward the light at the end of the tunnel. The school administration has the numbers to justify closing schools but cannot get parents to accept them. Perhaps voting down the proposed income tax increase will be a good thing.

Old South End Broadway

A mistake on my part. 180 days by law translates into 36 work weeks. The same idea with corrected math follows. Total savings to TPS $25,257,600

Have TPS Administration and the Toledo Federation of Teachers renegotiate the contract based on the Cornell University UAW Contract in that, during the summer "layoff", allow the temporarily unemployed teachers to collect Unemployment Insurance like the Cornell University UAW workers.
http://www.uaw2300.org/BF/BFMay2009.pdf

1) According to Ohio Law, the school year is 180 WORKING days or a total of 36 work weeks in school with 16 weeks off. (Apparently, some districts have longer school years. But 180 days in school is the law, so I based these numbers on the law. If TPS can afford to pay teachers to work more than the law requires, there is another money saving place to cut)
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1446657/will_extending_the_ohio...

2) The average pay for a TPS teacher is $47,226 per year (calculated from payroll information taken from TPS.org)
http://www.tps.org/teacher-salary-schedule.html

3) Allow the teachers to collect unemployment during their 16 week summer “layoff”.

Now follow me….
IF unemployment for the summer “layoff” is $600 a week, then pay the teachers $1045 a week during the school year.

Here’s the math.

Current average teacher salary $47,226 (extrapolated from http://www.tps.org/teacher-salary-schedule.html )

Assume $600 week for 16 weeks unemployment during summer “layoff”

Increase pay to $1045 a week for 36 school weeks

Total unemployment $9600
Total TPS payroll $37,626
Gross yearly per teacher $47,226

Savings PER TEACHER to TPS $9600

Total number of teachers in TPS 2631 (extrapolated from TPS phone directory from http://www.tps.org/TPS_Teacher_Directory.html )

Total yearly income to teachers WOULD NOT CHANGE.

Total yearly savings to TPS is $9600 times 2631 teachers or a total savings of $25,257,600

It was suggested that "Shifting salaries to the state just shifts the burden elsewhere (namely SUTA and FUTA)." TRUE. However, and I may be wrong about this (correct me if I am), TPS is an employer also. Therefore TPS pays into SUTA and FUTA with no return on investment. And, since an Auto Worker can collect unemployment during a scheduled layoff for changeover to a new product line, allowing a TPS employed teacher to collect back some of the payments TPS is forced by law to make.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Summer break is usually less than three months. With holidays, Christmas break, Easter break, and snow days, another month plus is gone.

Also, teachers are only earn money for the 9 months of school. Most teachers opt to have the pay earned during the school year spread over 12 months. If they were eligible for unemployment, the money would be a bonus.

However, teachers who are under contract are not eligible for unemployment. As long as their contract has been renewed at the end of the school year and there is a position available, they are employed as far as the State of Ohio is concerned. Provisions in the union contract are superseded by state law.

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

HM,

You are right. Two years ago I did an analysis of building capacity and at least a half dozen schools needed to be closed including one high school. I am presently updating it and since TPS only closed two schools last year, I doubt it will be much different with lower enrollment. It will be posted at wrongtimewrongtax.com by early next week at the latest.

For years the administration and board watched enrollment drop and did nothing to close schools. At the same time they were getting projections related to the building program that showed even greater losses in the future which for the most part were pretty accurate.

Closing buildings and reducing staff could have saved millions and since the surplus(deficit) is cumulative, we could have had a balanced budget this year without any cuts. But such decisions would have required political courage as the board would have to vote against their key benefactor for political and financial support.

It coulda and shoulda been done. Now they ask to have us bailout their bad decisions. Truth be told, they need to make the $30 million in cuts just to get their cost structure back in line.

I went by Arlington School (over on Woodsdale), and they have those temporary classrooms in the parking lot. How did they determine how big the schools should be, or are people jumping from school-to-school based on "reputation."

Old South End Broadway

There is plenty of room to move those kids to other schools including some back to their home schools. Arlington was built for 350 students and has 434. Most of the overcapacity is in portables. 49 students come from other schools to Arlington. Harvard, just down the road, has 396 students in a building that can accommodate 675. You figure it out. And there are more inconsistencies.

Eliminating the portables at Arlington would save a $100K or so.

I had a neighbor move over on Glendale a few years ago just so her kids could go to Harvard. When they had to move back because they could not afford the old house payment and the rent, they continued to let the school think they lived on Glendale so they could continue at the school. Westfield (where they are supposed to go) is overcrowded, and Harvard (where they want to go) has to be "gamed" so they can go there. They need to either to redraw the lines for school populations, or allow parents more leeway in where they can send their kids.

Old South End Broadway

for the report Colgate!

You said "Also, teachers are only earn money for the 9 months of school. Most teachers opt to have the pay earned during the school year spread over 12 months"

Are you saying that it is up to the teacher if they want to be paid for the 9 months of school during the school year or over 12 months? If that is the case, why don't teachers opt to take the full amount of pay for the 9 school months, then collect unemployment for the 3 months they are laid off?
INSTANT RAISE.

Also, you said "However, teachers who are under contract are not eligible for unemployment. As long as their contract has been renewed at the end of the school year and there is a position available, they are employed as far as the State of Ohio is concerned."

If that is the case, why doesn't the same practice apply to the United Auto Workers? Why ios it that a UAW employee who is under contract and will be re-called, can still collect unemployment during "re-tooling" or "changeover"? Do you know any UAW members? Ask them about "changeover". They will tell you that they sign up for unemployment weeks BEFORE they know the "changeover" will occur.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870396110457522619308739741...

A shot in the dark at best for a job there right now.

The problem is these public service jobs are loaded with high-paid administrators. Now that the budgets are being reduced they cannot accept that things have changed.

LOL

Durant is a Waite graduate and now he supervises his former principal.

Issue 3 failing was a great event for Toledo.

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