Yikes..anyone know anybody in Hawaii right now?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/27/chile.quake.hawaii/index.ht...

8.8 earthquake in Chile. Hopefully this doesn't turn out as bad as it appears...

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Chile isnt a dysfunctional shithole like haiti....they have enforced building codes....

Lots of damage for sure...but the buildings didnt disintigrate and bury people alive...

It's early...but the death count is is just about 150....

The chile quake was stronger....

Oh and ofcorse the evil capitalist pigs will be sending tons and tons of aid....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

sheesh...Almost forgot....

Bush's fault.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Did you actually read the thread you posted?...

Quoted from last post:

"Applying the same earthquake enginiering that goes in to a ten story apartment building in Santiago, makes no sense with a one room wood cabin in the patagonia.

Obviously, on the other hand you are building an apartment building in Santiago and the central region, you want to throw all the enginiering you can at it and the goverment inspectors will be looking over your shoulder the whole way.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

"Inspections are very rare, I haven´t never seen one and I have constructed by myself more than 200 sq. mt. without any permission and broking almost any rule of the "ordenanza municipal" see http://bradanovic.cl/page21.html

My text: 200 sq meters would be about a 50x36 footprint. I guess that could be a log cabin.

Many chileans construct that way and every 5-10 years an anmesty law appears and you can "regularizar" your property

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Old South End Broadway

The Haiti earthquake occured on January 12, 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Haiti_earthquake

The first American help, part of a group of American "Ships, planes and deployment of 2,000 Marines" arrived in Haiti on January 13, 2010. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34832613/ns/world_news-haiti_earthquake/

Also, Barry Obama gave Haiti $100 Million American taxpayer dollars. We will be watching how much American taxpayer dollars Barak gives to Chili. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-eskow/100-million-us-aid-to-hai_b_425248.html

The clock is ticking for Obama.  Of course the residents of Haiti are predominatly black while the residents of Chili are predominatly hispanic.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

This is in contradiction to your reasoning, http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17115 . The U.S. is keeping them in Haiti rather than risk an influx of immigrants to this country.

The distance between Miami and Port au Prince, Haiti is about 710 miles, http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17115 . Haitians used to make the journey out of desperation (even without an earthquake). The distance from the largest town near where the earthquake occurred in Chile (70 miles from the epicenter) was Concepcion, Chile. The distance from there to Los Angeles, CA , http://www.mapcrow.info/ , is 5691.77 miles (though probably a longer distance following currents close to shore while trying to avoid sharks and killer whales). It is actually probably shorter to go through the Panama Canal to Corpus Christi, TX (4734.09 miles as the seagull flies).

Either way if most Haitians died trying to reach the U.S. by sea I imagine fewer would make it from Chile. Better they wait for aid from a nation much wealthier than Haiti on their border (I am referring to Argentina).

Of course as to our response to Haiti. We could have pled poverty while setting up machine gun nests along our southern gulf. I am sure that would have made many conservatives happier.

Old South End Broadway

It took you less than 2 hours to come to Barrys defense.

Amazing.

It is like you worship the ground B. Houssain Obama walks on and he can do no wrong. Of course only a true worshipper would defend their savior as quickly as you have.

Or maybe you are heading off the coming attack because you know Barry Sotero hates Hispanics and want to defend the Chosen One the way Branch Davidians defended David Koresch. Quickly, blindly and to the death.

Therefore, since you are some sort of religious fanatic who woships the Lord Messiah, I can lump you into "those who blindly follow".

 *EDIT* I just saw on the news that the Socialist Pig cannot be bothered to send help to Chili. They can ask and then he might send help.

It's official. BARAK OBAMA HATES HISPANIC PEOPLE.

"WASHINGTON – The U.S. "will be there" if Chile asks for rescue and recovery help after a powerful earthquake struck the South American nation, President Barack Obama said Saturday."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_us_chile_earthquake;_ylt=AoZyuI2QWQ_ROe6q4Hyh27tg.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTNiOXE5NWZmBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwMjI3L3VzX3VzX2NoaWxlX2VhcnRocXVha2UEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMzBHBvcwMzBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDb2JhbWFzYXlzdXNw

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

...........

Machine gun nests to secure our southern flank? Now THERE'S some "hope and change" I can believe in! A Browning .50 every hundred and fifty meters should be adequate.

...with babes in their arms.OOO-wah!

Old South End Broadway

One thing I must correct in my research is that Argentina might not be able to help Chile. Their GNP in 2005 was $4466 (the same as Russia's), http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/infopays/rank/PNBH2.html , compared to Chile's $5, 865. Reuters has this view of the effect on the Chilean economy, http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61Q0Z220100227

Perhaps the low death toll (214 as of 6:00 PM our time) will help their economy since they do not seem to have lost as many "professionals" as died in Haiti.

Chile dodged a bullet. 214 vs. 200,000 plus dead in Haiti. I guess that is what happens when an earthquake hits your largest city rather than out back of nowhere.

Old South End Broadway

From what some guy on CNN was saying, even though the Chile quake was 8.8 as opposed to Haiti's 7.0 it not as simple as that.

Part of the reason the one in Chile was 8.8 is that a much larger area moved, hence a larger number. It doesn't necessarily mean the actual shaking was worse.

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

The USGS summary: According to official estimates, 222,517 people killed, 300,000injured, 1.1 million displaced, 97,294 houses destroyed and188,383 damaged in the Port-au-Prince area and in much of southernHaiti.

This link, http://www.usgs.gov/corecast/details.asp?ep=117 , goes to the USGS where Michael Blanpied had this to say, 'Well, as you said this is a Magnitude 7 earthquake which is quite large. There is only about a dozen or 15 of them worldwide in a year. This one unfortunately happened to occur very near the capital city, a very densely populated part of Haiti and it occurred in such a manner that caused quite severe shaking over the urban area."

"Also unfortunately, Haiti has a rather poor economy and not a wonderful building style for earthquake resistance, so we would expect that we would see quite severe and widespread damage from this earthquake. And I think that the news reports we’re beginning to see are bearing that out."

Haiti has a GNP of $455, http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/infopays/rank/PNBH2.html , a year placing them 193rd among 224 countries measured. I do not understand why they do not pull themselves up by their boot straps.

Old South End Broadway

...Haiti if Haiti demanded that we not set foot? This is from the Whitehouse, http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/united-states-government-hait... . "At the request of the Haitian government, the U.S. continues to coordinate America’s relief efforts with the United Nations and the international community. We are coordinating closely with more than 30 nations and hundreds of NGOs to deliver food and water quickly throughout the country."

The Haitians are used to us going into their country and imposing our will, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_Haiti . I doubt the Chileans would be as pleased to see U.S. Marines coming ashore armed to the teeth. So it would be better if we went in if requested. That would seem to me to be common sense. But perhaps that is not so common.

Old South End Broadway

Seems to me that the Socialist in the Whitehouse was more than happy to help his Socialist brothers in Haiti even when they did not ask for help.

But god forbid that "The Chosen One" help a capitalist country.

"Currently, Chile is one of South America's most stable and prosperous nations.[5] It leads Latin American nations in human development, competitiveness, quality of life, political stability, globalization, economic freedom, low perception of corruption and comparatively low poverty rates.[7] It also ranks high regionally in freedom of the press and democratic development"

"The government launched market-oriented reforms, which have continued ever since. Chile moved toward a free market economy that saw an increase in domestic and foreign private investment..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chile

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

no Socialist tinge in regards to the current government?

'In December 1993, Christian Democrat Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tagle, the son of previous president Eduardo Frei Montalva, led the Concertación coalition to victory with an absolute majority of votes (58%).[43] Frei Ruiz-Tagle was succeeded in 2000 by Socialist Ricardo Lagos, who won the presidency in an unprecedented runoff election against Joaquín Lavín of the rightist Alliance for Chile.[44] In January 2006 Chileans elected their first female president Michelle Bachelet Jeria, of the Socialist Party, extending the Concertación government for another four years.'

Kinda looks like the 'Rainbow Coalition' here in this far right-wing country (smirk) lefty-Socialist Obama wants nothing to do with helping:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_Parties_for_Democracy

'The Concert of Parties for Democracy (Spanish: Concertación de Partidos por la Democracia), more often known as the Concertación, is a coalition of center-left political parties in Chile, founded in 1988. Presidential candidates under its banner won every election from when military rule ended in 1990 until the conservative candidate Sebastián Piñera won the Chilean presidential election in 2010.'

So now you're reduced to reasoning, I suppose, because the new Chilean president is a conservative Obama won't want to help. Is that the ticket?

Just don't forget how 'stable' and 'prosperous' Chile has become under that left-of-center rule all these years...right?

"I doubt the Chileans would be as pleased to see U.S. Marines coming ashore armed to the teeth."

Wow you have a distorted view of our armed forces.

When a Marine Expeditionary Unit(MEU) deploys on a humanitarian mission the only armed personnel are security personnel. They do this not "armed to the teeth" but normally with what we call their T/O weapon (usually an M4 or M16), however the clear majority would come ashore unarmed or with anti-riot agents such as tear gas, batons, shotguns with rubber pellets.

In fact the vehicles they'd bring ashore would most likely be soft-skinned which means they have no up-armor because they're lighter and you can carry more stuff aboard the ship.

Oh yeah the ships they would send are generally a hospital ship, a logistics transportation ships, and maybe 2 ships for security. Not exactly a show of force.

MikeyA

Even in the midst of a humanitarian disaster some of you are so filled with political zeal that you can't even drop your Obama anger for one post. Maybe instead of whining about Obama you could get off your communist-outing asses and donate a few bucks to the Red Cross for relief to residents in Chile. Here is a link to the Red Cross International Response Fund. If you prefer, Save the Children is another reputable organization. If either one of these is too liberal, progressive, or warm-and-fuzzy for you, try AmeriCares. Or contact your church.

Anything but this incessant Red-baiting bullshit at a time of serious humanitarian need.

By the way: not that I am a fan of the current President, but here is the White House briefing and Obama's statement about the 8.8 earthquale in Chile. I wouldn't have bothered, but after all these inane posts unrelated to the point of the original sincere link to a disaster, I figured equal time wouldn't hurt.

Somebody call a whambulance!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Wow, that's pretty funny, Zeitgesit. You took the word "ambulance" and you added "wha," like the sound a crying person makes. WHA-AMBULANCE. Very clever - did you stay up all night working on that one?

I mean: my hat is off to you, Zeitgesit - you have really demonstrated an amazing level of comedic talent here. You could be like one of those standup comedians or something. Well done, funny guy!

Dance puppet...dance...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Dance puppet...dance...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

to double-post

You have this idea in your head that you somehow "control" me by posting your flaming drivel. When I get tired with the personal attacks you jump into this pseudo-sinister "ah, you know you will be back" mode, as if you are some sort of Svengali. This sounds like a ego problem on your end, if not outright sociopathy. I'll bet you are just grand fun at parties.

Unfortunately, creeps like you are wrecking this site. I enjoy discussing politics with people who are interested in debating policy, but I have no interest in being part of your obsessive fantasies. Get a life, Bubba.

Hey you're the one who huffed about being done with me...yet you still reply...

As I said you would....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

They have a really low management and fundraising percentage. I did the same for Haiti. The same as eating out for me five times at Bob Evans. But who can afford charity or taxes.

Old South End Broadway

Just like I don't bother to read http://historymike.blogspot.com/ because I don't care what you think, feel free to NOT read my posts and please exercise your right to keep your lame-as$ "opinions" to yourself.

I don't care if I hurt some pointy-headed educational elitist's feelings and don't want you to force your "morality" (read religion) on me.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

I have never been called an "elitist" before. Too funny! If my coal-mining grandfather from the hills of Appalachia were still alive, he would get a kick out of that one. I'll be sure to put an "ELITIST" sticker on my 16-year-old Hyundai so you can find me easily when I am hanging out at all those elitist events I attend. LOL.

As far as the rest of your post: no my "feelings" weren't hurt, and if you want to exercise your free speech in this way, go for it. You just look foolish hijacking a thread with legitimate humanitarian concerns in order to continue your political rants. BTW - my religion is a practicing Christian, and I have no interest in "forcing" anything on you - I am a live and let live person whose political bent have more to do with libertarianism than the quasi-fascist police state you seem to support.

Correct...you are just a wanna be elitist... a hanger on...

Dude...you broke a rib sitting in a chair...THAT is funny!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

....socialism. Using the same source, Wiki, as you, I provide this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti#Economy . Yet this makes no mention of Haiti as a socialist country, though it does make comment on corruption being a great problem. Maybe the problem is our involvement, http://davidaslindsay.blogspot.com/2008/09/capitalism-and-corruption.html . I wonder if Iraq is more corrupt now that it was under Hussein?

Old South End Broadway

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Haiti

Some of us like Barak Obama remember the "great Socialist leader" Popa Doc Duvalier and his Tonton Macoute.

"The name Tonton Macoute (translates as "Uncle Gunnysack") originated from Haitian Creole mythology. It was the name of a bogeyman who walked the streets after dark, and would kidnap children who stayed out too late. He stowed them away in his gunnysack, never to be seen again.

Duvalier employed the Tonton Macoutes in a reign of terror against any opponents, including those who proposed progressive social systems. Those who spoke out against Duvalier would disappear at night, or were sometimes attacked in broad daylight. They were never seen again. They were believed to have been abducted and killed by the MSVN, who were called the Tonton Macoutes as a result. Anyone who challenged the MVSN risked assassination. Their unrestrained terrorism was accompanied by corruption, extortion and personal aggrandizement among the leadership."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonton_Macoute

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

The Tonton Macoute was disbanded after the ouster of "Baby Doc" Duvalier in 1986. I do not see any reference to socialism in the top link. I do not see how Papa Doc Duvalier could be defined as socialist. Socialism usually arises when its pioneers look around themselves and see the resources of a country unfairly distributed.

You will have to go to the article for Socialism in Wiki. The spam filter is not accepting any of my links. As soon as I provide a link it is greeted as spam by the filter.

How could anyone look around Haiti, and assume there are any resources left to distribute? Merchantilism (see the article in Wiki) has stripped the country bare, and ruined its land. All that is left is to distribute the gristle from the bones to the thieves that are left. I would define the Duvalier government as a "kleptocracy" (see article in Wiki).

Old South End Broadway

Because we weren't born yet when he died. Some of us had parents in college when Papa Doc Duvalier died in 1971. That's nearly 40 years ago.

If you're going to call Haiti's economy socialist because of a leader that died 39 years ago, then Chile is even more socialist than Haiti because Salvador Allende, a real socialist, was President of Chile until he was killed in a military coup in 1973, two years after the death of Papa Doc.

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

Here is a link to a paper Prepared for WWS 547:
Conduct of International Diplomacy
by Prof. R. Hutchings
January 18, 2001

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/clincoerton.htm

It explains the government of Haiti since the downfall Duvaliers through Aristide and Cedras.

 And here is some information on Haitis economy:

"The overall freedom to conduct a business is severely impeded by Haiti’s burdensome regulatory environment. Starting a business takes an average of 195 days, compared to the world average of 35 days. Obtaining a business license takes about five times longer than the world average of 218 days."

http://www.heritage.org/Index/Country/Haiti

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/1982.htm

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

with this thread, Obama was in a head-long rush to help the Haitians because it takes longer than average for start-up businesses to get going in that country due to over-regulation.

After all the noise coming from your corner, that's the card you're holding at the end.

You've posted some real beauts on here over time; congrats on dumbest ever. You get the Gold! And wear it well.

I started this thread by pointing out that Obama is a racist.

He sent help to Haiti within 1 day of the earthquake yet said yesterday that Chili can ask for help if they need it.

I say he is a racist pig because he bent over backwards to help the predominately black population of Haiti, yet is unwilling to force American help in Chili.

So if he is not helping Chili due to Chili not being Socialist, what else is there besides racism?

 Better go read your Democratic National Committee supplied, paid socialist spammer talking points Mccaskey. What has your puppet masters told you to say about calling Obama a racist who hates Hispanics?

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

There are more than half a million (offically) Haitian-Americans living here (unofficially probably much higher) , the country is less than 700 miles off the coast of Fla. It's considered a neighbor. The infrastructure, bad before the quake, is shattered, thus the catastrophic death rate in relation to Chile.

All these circumstances make it markedly different than the Chile situation, and has nothing to do with 'racism' or 'socialism', but don't let that stop you from trying to be the poor man's Glenn Beck on here.

Just because it's hard to start a business doesn't mean you can't start a business. Come back when you understand what socialism really is.

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

...socialism. Regulation of any enterprise is wrong. For example our food and drug laws hamper free enterprise and therefore help make our socialist economy. It would stand to reason that China (which does not seem to spend a lot of time with inspections) has a more free economy. If we could just get rid of all the damn regulations those of us who survive would live in paradise. If we could just get rid of the safety regulations on cars they would be cheaper and those of us who survive would have the best cars in the world.

If we could just get rid of the regulations on financial matters the Bernie Madoffs of the world would be able to flourish and, by the laws of competition, those who are weak among us would be fleeced (rightfully) of our ill-gotten gains. The world will be much better once we get rid of all these stupid regulations. Once we get rid of Medicare we'll get rid of most of the worthless elderly. It will be a wonderful world.

Old South End Broadway

Just because a country has a lot of problems from goods doesn't mean they don't do inspections. Many other countries are more tolerant of corruption from their government than we are and inspectors tend to operate more independently and thus are easily bribed and persuaded.

I've been given horror stories from other logisticians who've dealt with foreign inspectors.

MikeyA

no

no comment

Old South End Broadway

Just got word that a friend of mine who is on a MEU in the Pacific has been put on standby.

He was supposed to go to the Philippines for training but that was already canceled prior to the earthquake.

Please note they have not been ordered to leave for Chile yet but it's now a possibility.

MikeyA

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