State of the Union-A Total Disconnect

What did everyone think of that dud last night, called a speech? The charm of last year, if one can call it that-is long GONE. He said "I" over ninety times, and "me", over forty. Harry Reid was yawning, and at best, the performance was flat, in its' entirety. And more important, the pres. maintains his hard left positions for the most part.

No votes yet

yawning, but that did not mean that the State of the Union address was a dud. It meant that harry Reid was sleepy and that happened at the very beginning fo the address. Were you counting the I's and the me's? If so how could you pay attention to what he was saying. Because it was his "State of the Union" address, what should he have said instead of I and me? He spoke for 70 minutes and I could have listened to 70 more minutes..
I thought the address accomplished what the president intended. He laid out the past year, the state of the nation, what he has done, what needs to be done and asked the the Republicans who are against the Health Care reform to come forward with their ideas. It was the best I have heard/read since I started voting in 1962.
How did you get out of the address that President Obama maintined his hard left position. Can you elaborate?
This country's progress has been hijacked by Town Hall Meetings and Tea Parties for the past year which to me is a type of treason. It is time to get over it, and lets move this country forward.

"This country's progress has been hijacked by Town Hall Meetings and Tea Parties for the past year which to me is a type of treason."

My how "progressive" of you....

Not suprising...but still very chilling...right in your face....the truth...a peek behind the mask...

The penalty for treason is death...

I'm sure you'll type of a full page of denials now how you didnt mean that.....

But your truth has been laid bare by your own words...

It's called a freudian slip...look it up...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

mask, I am aware of what a freudian slip is, therefore I don't have to look it up.
Also, well versed on what treason is and consequences of. It is what it is.......
When have you ever seen me back down from my written or spoken words, you must have me mixed up with someone........

I'll give you credit for being honest at least...more than the rest can do...they always crabwalk when called on such a statement...

Alright...just so where clear on the matter...

Just remember this...

I wont go peacefully...and I'm not alone...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

well versed on what treason is and consequences of. It is what it is.......
When have you ever seen me back down from my written or spoken words, you must have me mixed up with someone........

A black woman who thinks that a minority group of people getting together to peacefully protest something they disagree with should be put to death.

And ya wonder why she's called Purehate.

And ya wonder why she's called Purehate.

I don't wonder. I have never wondered, and I'll bet a sawbuck against a plugged nickel that no one else wonders either.

I'm another American citizen who won't go quietly. In fact, just to ruffle a few feathers I'm going to find the next tea bag protest and support the protesters.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

"I wont go peacefully...and I'm not alone..."

Uh-oh, the tea-baggers are threatening violence

Pink Slip

Hardly surpised you'd see self defense as a threat.....

Whereas calling dissent "a type of treason" is perfectly acceptible to progressives such as yourself and punhurts...

When you cant silence dissent you'll call for the execution of the dissenter as treason...

Progressive facism.

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“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Z you can stop tea bagging your high horse anytime now.

Republican leaders (Limbaugh, Beck, OReilly, many others) are constantly calling progressives - treasonous, murders, Nazi’s and ‘joke’ endlessly about torturing and/or hurting us. We can’t exercise our free speech rights without being told we ‘Hate America’ and ‘Wish for its down fall’.

You have the nerve to come on here and be offended at this? I can’t turn on the radio or TV and not hear this spewed about progressives every hour of every day. Sadly the weak minded like yourself believe it.

Hrm...when you support terrorists over the US military...I think that is self explianitory..

"Giving aid and comfort the the enemy in a time of war"

http://www.capveterans.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/shoot_...

http://www.capveterans.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/fuck_t...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.N.S.W.E.R.

5 days after 9/11 your left wing was in action...if you want to hang your hat on that...go right ahead...

Hre's the difference....

WE view terrorists as "the enemy"..

YOU view US as the enemy....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

YOU view US as the enemy....

Wrong again...shocking I know. I love America and I have nothing but respect for our military. I do however hold America to higher set of standards than our enemies and believe in crazy things like trials and not torturing people.

It’s the tea baggers and conservatives that keep talking about the violent over throw of the Democratically elected government. Who hates America?

Overthrow?

BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Wow you are utterly clueless...you read to many fantasy Napolitano briefs....

The Govt IS THE PEOPLE dumbass.....

But thanks for reminding people you want to grant Constitutional rights to terrorists...

Which in my book is still aid and comfort...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

look out, Sensor, he's coming to track you down where you live with his pop-gun posse.

So just exactly did Chris Matthews mean in his SOTU analysis when he said "I forgot he was black tonight"?

It means matthews is a typical white liberal.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Since this is now a thread about 'teabaggers' and 'dissent', maybe it's time teabaggers, etc., start laying down in front of buildings, and hanging limp, like was popular in the 60s? And demonstrations, sit-ins, etc.? If that is treason now, it was treason then, correct? Zeitgeist, a lot of white liberals are like that-start with U.S. Senator Harry Byrd, former CFO of the KKK in W. Virginia, still in office. BTW, it looks like "Team Clinton" is getting ready to make a move.

I tell you what. I stop mentioning Tom Noe steeling Ohio tax payer money 5 years ago if you stop mentioning a guy who was in the Klan 60 years ago and has changed his views to those of a social liberal for decades. I would have thought that Christian conservatives would be more forgiving to a guy who has repented against his sins and actively worked to correct for them.

But hey, if you have to go back 60 years to find an ex-racist in our midst then so be it.

The 60S activists NEVER had media saturation of propagandist Radio & Cable. If you listen to the pablum you find it repeats the same message over and over for hours on end. Responsible journalism does not do this and yet we find less and less of good journalism leaving us with irrational lunatics dominating the national debate. Is it no wonder our country is in the shape it is?

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

"The 60S activists NEVER had media saturation of propagandist Radio & Cable"

Wrong. Check out the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterculture_of_the_1960s#Anti-War_Movement

From the article... "Previously disregarded FM Radio became a focal point for both music and news for the counterculture generation..."

But it wasn't JUST the spoken media.
"Films of this time also focused on the changes happening in the world. Dennis Hopper's Easy Rider (1969) focused on the counterculture of the time ..."

And then print media.
"Underground newspapers sprang up in most cities and college towns, serving to define and communicate the range of phenomena that defined the counterculture:"

so wolfman, wikipedia totally discounts your claim.

MikeyA

Not only that...we now know that Much of the 60's anti-war movement was in fact infiltrated by soviet agents acting as agitators...

http://usnavyvet2002.blogspot.com/

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

if it says so in 'usnavyvet2002 blogspot' by all means it must be true...

It's not like it's a big secret...a two second google can find it

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Soviet_espionage_in_the_United_States

 http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Communist_Party,_USA

 

Beginning in the 1960s, the CPUSA worked to oppose the U.S. foreign policy of "Containment," which was directed against Soviet expansionism and suppressing Communist-led revolutions in the Third World. It formed new front groups toward this end and engaged in various coalitions opposed to U.S. nuclear testing, military preparedness, and especially the War in Vietnam. Communist intellectuals like Herbert Aptheker and Angela Davis helped make inroads on college campuses. The Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968, however, brought a major setback to Communist recruiting, and both Troskyist and Maoist groups drew disillusioned members from the CPUSA ranks, as well as from the new generation of politically active "red diaper babies." Despite this, during the 1970s, the CPUSA managed to grow in membership once again to about 25,000 members, as it continued its recruitment among workers and blacks and supported the anti-Vietnam War protest movement through the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice.

 

 

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

The social upheaval of the 60's was all because of Commies working behind the scenes, pulling the strings?

Is that what you seriously think?

There you go with the strawman arguement...

BECAUSE OF?

No..and I did not say that...

Did they take advantage of useful idiots ,infiltrate ,and fan the flames?

YES.

Not exactly a big secret anymore you know...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

they had a 30-second walk-on scene in a ten-act play...

Barely worth the energy you expended with all your blather, links and whatnot...

... I have spoken personally to former KGB officers, who say the KGB funded anti-war protests, especially through the CPUSA. It is really not surprising, using peace as ideological subversion is nothing new. Plus, mass rallies don't need a radio station, they need the big networks covering the events. Have you ever been to an anti-war rally? They are mostly run and funded by Socialist/Communist groups.

as somebody who grew up in the 60's, I can tell you for a fact virtually nobody listened to FM radio, outside of college-activist towns like Ann Arbor, Madison, Wisc., Berkeley, a few select others. There were no national conglomerates like Clear Channel---AM, FM, anything--broadcasting the 'liberal-activist' school of thought to hundreds (thousands?) of stations in all 50 states 7 days a week, virtually 24-7.

For every 'liberal', 'leftist' movie like 'Easy Rider' or the 'Graduate' there was a John Wayne, Charles Bronson, Charlton Heston-type film representing the 'other side.'

'Underground papers' in college towns were basically good for seeing the ads for which bar was serving 'a buck a draft' special in town that upcoming weekend.

F*cking please.

True but he's making it as if today it's a consorted effort.

For every FoxNews there is a MSNBC. For every WSPD there is a Toledo Bland.

He was saying it never existed period. That is totally false. It existed. If it didn't exist we wouldn't know about people like Timothy Leary, and Neal Cassidy.

MikeyA

there's a world of difference as it pertains to political discourse between the sixties and now, media-wise.

Yet the message remains the same...

“Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that’s where it’s really at.”
Bill Ayers

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

LOL

I like purnhrt's "The teabaggers are hijacking the country's progress".

LOL That's funny. Especially when the theme of the Dems Healthcare Takeover has been "Do as we say and nobody gets hurt!"

MikeyA

I'll tell you what, sensor g-NO WAY! Noe isn't a UNITED STATES SENATOR, and woffie-what about that idiot-Chris Matthews? The damn democrats might get their usual free passes with people like you, but not with me. Byrd and Matthews are RACISTS-period. And people who support them, are RACISTS as well.

I don't support Chris Matthews. You'll find most progressive think of him as a tool.

As for Bryd, I can't get worked up over a guy who changed his ways long before he ran for senate and has actively repented through his work, words and deeds since before I was born.

On the other hand a guy like Republican Senator Jeff Sessions has done more and said more racist things in the last 20 years than Bryd did while a Klansman back in 40’s.

George Bernard shaw was a "progressive" too...

""You must all know half a dozen people at least who are no use in this world, who are more trouble than they are worth. Just put them there and say Sir, or Madam, now will you be kind enough to justify your existence? If you can’t justify your existence, if you’re not pulling your weight in the social boat, if you’re not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more, then, clearly, we cannot use the organizations of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us and it can’t be of very much use to yourself."

And you call yourself a progressive?...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Who cares that a guy who has been dead 60 years called himself a progressive. I don't own that and I don't have to defend myself again everyone who has ever called themselves a progressive. That is the most asinine argument I’ve ever heard. And from you, that is saying a lot.

Everyone can play this game… Timothy McVeigh called himself a patriot and a conservative.

And you call yourself a conservative? You call yourself a patriot?

David Duke called himself a Republican…

And you call yourself a Republican

Charles Dyer called himself a Tea Partier…

And you called yourself a tea Partier?

I’d like to think you understand what a tool you are and how poor your argument is but I’m suspecting brain damage.

Struck a nerve I see...truth hurts a bit?

Why not just embrace it...wear it as a badge on honor....plan your purges and enforcement of punhurts treason charges...

You can say what ever you want about Mcveigh...I dont give a crap...he was a terrorist and child killer...I would have put a bullet in his head myself...

You can say whatever you want about Duke the Southern DEMOCRAT/ wanna be republican (look it up)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke#1992_Democratic_Party_presidenti...

Republican Party Chairman Jim Nicholson remarked: "There is no room in the party of Lincoln for a Klansman like David Duke."

Charles Dyer has been charged with hienous crimes and disowed by the group...if he's guilty he should get the death penalty IMHO...

Scott ritter on the other hand is STILL the darling of the moonbat left...even after getting busted twice soliciting sex from underage girls on the internet...

Fabien society STILL exists and IS the left in many places..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society

"progressives" havent gone ANYWHERE...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus

So say what you want...it's STILL a free country...

But when the left gives "aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war"...yes...I will call it was it is...

Aid and comfort to the enemy.

I'm PROUD to be a conservative...

I'm proud to belong to the party of Lincoln.

And I'm honored to be counted as a tea Blogger..

So if you are going to call yourself a progressive....be proud of it...

Be proud and run on it...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I have no problem calling myself a progressive, but don't try to paint me with your Beck facist bull shit.

"I'm proud to belong to the party of Lincoln"

Heh, you belong to the party of Bush/Cheney (like that Goat-man?)

Pink Slip

"The 60S activists NEVER had media saturation of propagandist Radio & Cable."

I didn't differentiate between left or right. Chris Matthews is a goof... I don't follow him. For my balanced thinking from the left I listen to 1310 AM Detroit Thom Hartman NOON to 3:00. Thom has a listening audience of 3 Million daily. Thom is very rational and informational.

Hey I'm independent but I take the time to listen to both sides.
If your old enough to remember there was very few media outlets in the 60s. And for sure they didn't have the big money behind them. The activists of the 60s were truly grass roots!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Byrd didn't change his ways, he just found a new method.

http://townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2009/08/12/politics_and_b...

And white liberals defend this racist bastard...

While black liberals turn a blind eye...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

It's just rambling from Walter Williams and nothing about Byrd…

The vast majority of the racist governors, senators, congressmen, etc. from the Deep South, responsible for basically all the Jim Crow laws, were, and in Byrds' case, ARE democrats. D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-S! So don't you liberal, lying, sanctimonious democrat pud-pullers tell me a goddamn thing about racism, who is or who isn't!

Might I suggest that race issues are less of a Democrat-Republican issue, and more of a North-South issue? Let's face it, the South sucks. And that includes Southern Democrats.

Pink Slip

yep

Let's face it, the South sucks. And that includes Southern Democrats.

the south must suck - that's where the drain from the brain drian of this area is going... sucked right down south. Awful place fulla jobs and growth...

MORE BS and spin doctoring...

You cannot erase history pink...no matter how hard you try...

http://www.civilwarhome.com/copperheads.htm

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=616

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copperheads_

http://civilwar.bluegrass.net/HomeFront/copperheads.html

And the cherry on top...

The modern peace democrat aka copperhead.

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/004668.php

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Who's talking about history, Zoidberg? I'm talking about right now.

Pink Slip

"Awful place fulla jobs and growth."

Nah...this doesn't really support your statement:

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm

Pink Slip

"State of the Union-A Total Disconnect" has turned into comments about racism, black/white and south and north issues from Zeit, Billy and Mad because I, proud black woman, proud American (finally), Independent voter- more conservative than liberal dared to comment.

I am also a person who was around during the sixties and the sit-in, demonstrations, marches were all non-violent protests. The violence came into play from the government agencies, (the police, governors and anti protestors, etc.), unlike the Town Hall meetings and the Tea Parties where the violence and threats come from the people themselves who attend the Town Hall meetings as conservatives/Republicans and who also attend the Tea Parties.

Your rabid, frenzy against this president is just a little over the top. Sort of like the man who killed the abortion doctor and then testified that he killed the doctor because the doctor was a murderer. Somehow this makes no sense to me. Probably because my brain is switched on and most synapses are firing and I am free of hate.

I think for the first time I agree...... :)
Absolutely ridiculous conversation \ debate.....

"where the violence and threats come from the people themselves who attend the Town Hall meetings as conservatives/Republicans"

Since when is the SEIU considered conservatives/Republicans?

MikeyA

Lyin purple people beaters!

White liberals beating up a black man who has escaped the plantation...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

You called anyone who doesn't follow the pres lock-step a type of TRAITOR, something I never did in the 60s, about any of the demonstrators. And what violence are you talking about at Town Halls, Tea Parties? No federal judges have been hurt, no buildings burned own or anything else "60ish" has happened, and you know it.

Free of hate? Hate is all you are.

G-Man these are Zeit's words,"""""Just remember this...

I wont go peacefully...and I'm not alone..."""""

"This country's progress has been hijacked by Town Hall Meetings and Tea Parties for the past year which to me is a type of treason."

And remember...these are yours.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

purnhrt is slipping. She's actually saying what she really feels here lately instead of just implying it and she can't squirm later by saying that's not what she said.

MikeyA

'''''''

Hey zeitgeist-which is it with these progressive schlemiels-first the tea parties, etc, have no affect on anything, then it becomes we've hijacked the countrys' progress. I'm sure what she really meant to say was we've halted the countrys' slide into a progressive fiefdom..

Framed from my former worldview?

It's a belief system.....just like any other...

1. "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have."

2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat.... [and] the collapse of communication.

3. "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."

7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time...."

8. "Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose."

9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."

10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign."

11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside... every positive has its negative."

12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and 'frozen.'...

"...any target can always say, 'Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?' When your 'freeze the target,' you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments.... Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the 'others' come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target...'

"One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other."

means and ends:

The judgment of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment.
In war the end justifies almost any means.

Judgment must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not from any other chronological vantage point.

Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa.

The less important the end to be desired, the more one can afford to engage in ethical evaluations of means.

Generally, success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics.

The morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory.

Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical.

You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.

Goals must be phrased in general terms like "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity," "Of the Common Welfare," "Pursuit of Happiness," or "Bread and Peace."

Rules for radicals.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

is whenever someone complains about honest discussions on race NOT being held, when the discussion does get going-the complainer leaves.

She's already pointed out in this very thread that if you have a differing opinion of her she wants you dead. Just another hate filled nothing.

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