Michelle Obama: Harry Reid doesn't owe me an apology

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31452.html

First lady Michelle Obama told reporters Wednesday that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid doesn’t owe her an apology over his racial comments about her husband’s electoral chances because she knows Reid so well.

“Harry Reid has no need to apologize to me because I know Harry Reid. I measure people more so on what they do rather than the things they say,” said Obama, in a roundtable with several media outlets, including POLITICO.

Reid had said that Obama's presidential candidacy was viable because he is "light skinned" and has no "Negro dialect, unless he wants to."

This is truly funny. If someone with an "R" behind their name the lib's would be calling for his head on a platter.

No votes yet

Who Cares!!!!! Really!!!!

When I was born we were called Negroes, thats on my birth certificate. At that time N---er was an insult.
IMO Harry Reid was speaking like a man in his age group.
I too, felt that President Obama,stood a better chance because of not being a dark-skinned African-American, and HE IS /WAS QUALIFIED for the job.
It's the R's and the news media that are looking for something [ANYTHING]] to discredit ANYBODY who says ANYTHING. They are just words.I don't think that he meant any harm.
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Let's get over it already. WE HAVE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES AT HAND IN THIS COUNTRY.

I stand by my final sentence.

I am calling for his head on a platter. I think Reid is weak and ineffectual. His language was poorly chosen.

However, since I am not an African-American I will not pretend to know whether African-Americans should or should not be offended. White conservatives like to think they know when African-Americans should be offended and when they shouldn't.

Pink Slip

You have that right .
But I am not offended.

It is OK to "compliment" an African American on the lightness of their skin.

It is OK to "compliment" an African American for their lack of a "Negro dialect unless he wanted to have one."

and finally:

It is OK for Barak Obama 'to get us coffee'.

 

Thanks for clearing that all up for me. I want to make sure I will not be accused of being a racist so I'll make sure to use Democrat approved phrases like those listed above.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

A nice guy, so why blow this out of proportion. I didn't say that it was allright , I said that I am not offended, I can't and don't speak for all African-Americans .
I am sure that some people are offended but I am not.
That must be hard for you to understand in this day of "political correctness"
I was born before political correctness became vogue, 1943 to be exact. I can think of a lot more serious issues to be concerned with,AND IF I WERE YOU I WOULDN"T APPROACH ANY AFRICAN_AMERICAN WITH THAT SHIGGADY. LMAO

" IF I WERE YOU I WOULDN"T APPROACH ANY AFRICAN_AMERICAN WITH THAT SHIGGADY."

Personally, it would never cross my mind to say the kind of things Harry Reid, Bill Clinton and Joe Biden have said.

So why can those three  "APPROACH ANY AFRICAN_AMERICAN WITH THAT SHIGGADY" and get a free pass?

Yet the common misconception is that Republicans are "racist" which obviously is not the case.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

You said;
So why can those three 'APPROACH ANY AFRICAN-AMERICAN WITH THAT SHIGGADY" and get a free pass?

I wasn't aware that they [ Reid, Biden, Clinton] APPROACHED ANY AFRICAN-AMERICAN WITH THAT SHIGGADY'. those are your words and analasys. You are getting it TWISTED!!

So who is more upset with Reid's comments--African Americans or white conservatives? From what I've seen, it's the latter.

Pink Slip

I'm not upset.

He said "The sheriff is nearer".

MikeyA

What White Conservatives are upset about, is the double standard involved. A Senate democrat, Robert "sheets" Byrd, is a former CFO of the Ku Klux Klan-and gets a TOTAL FREE PASS? I sure as hell am offended by that. Clinton gets a free pass too, and the reason in both cases, is they give things to the right people. One of these days, maybe not in my lifetime, people who are visible and in the spotlight-will finally tell people who call them 'racist' based solely on the letter 'R' after their name-to go right straight to hell.

This country thrives on double standards, we see it everyday, it permeates in every part of our lives. Its like the elephant in the room, how do we get him out.No pun intended, it could be a jackass [donkey]

I too, get tired of all the pretense, of things we see but are afraid to say anything for whatever reason. I don't think that ALL people with R after their name are racist. I can assure you that I know and have met all kinds of people in my lifetime and I find it to be very interesting to listen to all points of view. I try to treat people the way that I want to be treated, If they let me.
I don't think that all of the R's are wrong on all the issues.
Theres a bunch of D's that I would like to tell where to go and what horse to ride away on. lol

...but language does make a difference. I spent two years in northern Ethiopia with the armed forces. The quality of the people I met there had me looking at my culture. Most of the Eritreans I dealt with spoke enough of my language to get along with me. They also spoke enough Italian to deal with the white middle class who owned the Italian restaurants, or repair shops about town. They also spoke enough Arabic to deal with the merchants there. They spoke enough Amharic to deal with the bureaucracy of the country that controlled their government. They may have had only their daily food and the clothes on their back, but they were not dumb.

Old South End Broadway

you have said far worse.

Seriously.

I do not remember saying anything racist and would like to avoid it in the future.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Wow - this is being blown right out of proportion.

Reid was discussing Obama's political chances and he, as is any American with a brain, is aware that race is an issue in the U.S.

Reid likely said nothing which had not already been discussed in the AA community and elsewhere.

We are going to take Reid's head off for stating what he thought to be the political truth.

Reid's actions are a little different than Lott. Lott was supporting a known segregationist. One who had worked for years to subvert the rights of minority Americans. I did not believe he should resign. But he put himself in a position that offended a lot of folks affected by it. Those same folks understand and likely agree with what Reid said even if they don't like what it implies.

If we can't discuss race and the issues represented in this country, then we sure as hell won't ever find any answers.

Reid should stay. He has offered an apology and it has been accepted by the one person affected by his comments. This is no reason to resign and likely he has not said anything different and probably more mildly said than most of what the conservatives who are trying to take off his head have said to others.

Everyone makes a verbal slip or exercises poor judgment from time to time. The issue is whether the current action supports or contradicts the body of work of that individual.

In my mind there are more important things like a real discussion on race and how relationships can be improved. Time to move on.....

Watching you guys and gals do back flips to cover Reed is hillarious...

Here's a REAL discussion on liberals and race....

Reed is a soft bigot...a liberal who thinks blacks...er...NEGROES(back in fashion I guess)...are inferiour..and thus need the guiding hand of white liberals...

It's ironic that even after all these years...racist democrats still divide blacks between the house and the field...

What is even more ironic.....negros play along and divide along these lines as ordered and defend their liberal masters...

Here's a good view on dark vs light skin....from a dark skinned woman...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/395244/dark_skinned_vs_light_sk...

The roots of what reed said lead all the way back to the plantation....and those who would be the overseer..the house negro, and the field boss...and the lowest rung..the field negro...

“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."....Joe Biden

And remember what it was asked (by liberals) if Obama was "authentic" ....as he has no slave blood and is HALF WHITE...

He is a "magic negro"

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0...

Groomed and pimped in order to keep the black population right where the white liberal wants them....

On the plantation.....waiting for a handout...voting democrat no matter what .....loyal to the master....lead by the light skinned smooth talker...

As ye sow....so shall ye reap....

In 1960...80% of black children were born into two parent housholds...today that number is around 20%...

Liberalism has DESTROYED the black family....and with that...the black community...

The racist tools of destruction and enslavement are welfare and abortion...

Margaret Sanger the founder of planned parenthood....was a progressive...and a ugenist....

The whole point of planned peranthood was to STOP UNDESRIABLES FROM REPRODUCING....abortion IS ethnic cleansing...all nice,tidy, legal and done by a caring LIBERAL doctor who will gladly MURDER that black child.....

"shouldnt be punished with a baby"

The black and white doctors of the tuskegee syphilis experiment where PROGRESSIVES...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

White Liberals dont see blacks as equals, fully capable of self support and engagement of the civil society...they view blacks as children....needing a parent to lend a guiding hand and keep them on the path of "proper thought"...blacks need a head start...a leg up....a helping hand.....cuz they just cant do it by themselves....and black liberals are more than happy to stand in as defacto leaders and get "their piece of the money pie" to keep those black folks in line and voting democrat...

Well children...you are, where you are, because the white and black people who use you, want you to be there...and you sit and nod and wait for the helping hand of the whiteman...and a ride to the polls to keep those users in power...

Myself and most conservatives....dont view black people as children...as inferiour....we view them as EQUALS....fully capable of self support and engagement in a civil society...we dispair at he destruction of your families and communties at the hands of white and black liberals....

We stand agast at your self enslavement...your voluntary servatude, the self destruction that befalls black youth.... as you wait for a "piece of the money pie"

And we are bewildered at your attacks upon those who do view you as equals...as adults....while defending those who dont...

It was a republican who freed slaves and was martyred for doing so...

Oh sure the liberals will simply cliam "that was the old "liberal republicans"....while Robert Byrd Former grand dragon of the KKK is a sitting US Democrat Senator...and many of you will buy it... nod...smile...and wait for time to vote....for robert byrd...

Our great crime is not treating you as inferiours....and the liberals point and scream RACIST!...while they talk about light skin and negro dielects in "private" AND FUND THE ABORTION OF YOUR FUTURE...

Ofcorse pinko and the rest of the libs will deny all this, while promoting abortion,welfare, class warfare, racial animosity, calling black conservatives house negroes etc etc....

They will point their fingers and scream racist....then treat you like children...

Who is zooming who here.....

That's about as real as it gets....

Save yourselves......you are the only ones who CAN....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Few people realize, the Republican Party was born in Jackson Michigan. Just a few miles from here.  http://www.jacksonmich.com/markers/mark1.htm

And few people realize WHY the Republican Part was born.

"The Origins of the Republican Party

Trying times spawn new forces. The Missouri Compromise of 1820 divided the country at the 36° 30' parallel between the pro-slavery, agrarian South and anti-slavery, industrial North, creating an uneasy peace which lasted for three decades. This peace was shattered in 1854 by the Kansas-Nebraska Act. Settlers would decide if their state would be free or slave. Northern leaders such as Horace Greeley, Salmon Chase and Charles Sumner could not sit back and watch the flood of pro-slavery settlers cross the parallel. A new party was needed." http://www.ushistory.org/gop/origins.htm

 

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

But some people can't seem to move on they get "stuck on stupid" They can only see the truth through their eyes, and their narrow minds.

Zeiltgeist;
Thanks for the history lesson, you really gave a lot of info.and you put a lot of time into it. Now if we could just get the republicans to realize this maybe they could pull enouh of the AA vote to truly make a difference in everyones life. The R's should come to the neighborhood schools and teach it to the children,who don't know or have access to this info. They could open up community centers in some of these empty buildings and schools. they could offer classes and activities for the whole family. The parents need to be educated too.

I can assure you that that will make a difference in so many lives. So many people need direction, because tTHEY didnt get it at home or in school either, so how can they pass it on to their children if they don't know either. They have nothing to look forward to thats meaningful and lasting. just what ever is popular atthat moment. I could say more but I will wait and see who picks up on what!!

I think all the other Republicans point on this thread has been that the Dems have used the AA vote to get elected without trying to help the AA community. Likewise they've tried to paint Republicans as racist whenever they've been given the chance.

Republicans are not against black Americans. Republicans favor several ideas which could heavily benefit black America i.e. school vouchers. Yet black America has stayed away from Republicans in the voting booth even when it's a black Republican running i.e. 2006 with both Steele in MD and Blackwell in OH.

MikeyA

Why would a person change there party when they can't see anything that the R's are doing to better there condition. IMO you have to start with the grass roots. President Obama was a Community Activist. HELLO!!!

The people that need the help and direction are not participating in the process, they probably don't read the paper or books and probably no computer in the home. A lot of people don't pay attention to the news unless it affects them or somone that they know.
As for Blackwell and Steele??? I don't respect Steele because he is just letting the R's use him and ALL AA's can see that. He is not fooling anyone except himself.
The R's have to put boots on the ground in the neighborhood and build relationships in the community SO that they have a stake in the outcome.
You have to engage people in the process, and that has to be on -going not just at election time.
Do you think that that is what the Dems do? Think about it, they try to get people involved.

You said "Why would a person change there party when they can't see anything that the R's are doing to better there condition. "

My question to you.  Why do you need someone else to "better your condition"? Don't you have the ability, knowledge, will-power, and fortitude to better your own condition?

Or are you trying to say that the black community cannot help themselves?

And if that is what you are saying, why do you think that the black community needs someone to 'better their condition' when the white community, the asian community, the hispanic community et al are not waiting around for help?

 The way to make things better for all Americans is to get government out of the way of the individual. When Americans are free to make their own decisions, make their own money and keep it, we (Americans) can and have made this country great.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Ok

Why would a person change there party when they can't see anything that the R's are doing to better there condition. Ok but on the converse why should Republicans spend time and money on votes that they don't have a chance of getting?

Republicans have proven they can win without the black vote so why should they make it forefront of their message when it will bring them little in terms of votes. Even black Republicans don't get black votes.

I think this article does a good job of negating your point on Steele.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/01/15/chairman_mike_turns...

Think about it, they try to get people involved. No they're not. They're trying to get DEMS involved. Hence why they disenfranchise military voters in many elections. Hence why they can only win via recount i.e. Washington 2004 and Minnesota 2008 and as they will do if Scott Brown wins in Mass this week.

MikeyA

I am here and ready to learn what the R's have to offer me and my family. I have been a D all of my life [thats the way it was when I grew up. WHY?? Because we Negroes, Blacks, and African-Americans were drowning in a sea of Poverty. Our parents[I had a Mother and Father in the Home] could not find a good paying job because they [ the "majority white group" in TOLEDO,OHIO] refused to hire them for any thing other than janitors and maids. Some Negroes [thats what we were called then] were lucky enough to get hired in a factory or foundary hence making more money and bringing their families out from under grinding poverty.

Education; My mother graduated from high school but could only find a job cleaning up the homes of the rich and famous in Toledo, none of them were Negroes.
Going to College was never a thought, because they had to work to eat and keep a roof over their heads.
My Father went to the eigth grade but quit school so he could work to help his parents feed their family of 12 twelve children. He finally joined or was drafted into the Army and this was during the Korean war. "THEY"
trained him to do the menial jobs such as kitchen duty. janitorial, hauling dead bodies, The kind of jobs that they gave to a Negroe civilian. YOU GET MY DRIFT!!. The GI bill helped a lot of people. who initiated that? Was it the Dems, I don't remember.
So a public school education was the best thing going when I went to school. That was my introduction into the real world. I feel that I got a good basic education in public school. All of this STUFF that goes on today with kids was not tolerated back then and school was interesting to me. It made me want to have a better life than my parents. The only way to get that was to get a job.Going to College was like wishful thinking.
But it was available, you just had to know how to navigate and afford it. Many of my peers went to college and are very sucessful.
When I got my first job {part-time] working in the kitchen of a VA hospital in Calif. President John Kennedy , Democrat, gave Govt. workers a raise. That solidified me with the D's. The Democrats IMHO ALWAYS looked out for the little guy that INCLUDES everybody] and thats why I have remained a Democrat. I won't vote for anbody just because they are a D but I will consider them because they are a Democrat.
I hope that this sheds some light on why most AA's are Democrats.This has been my experience I can't speak for all African Americans.
Since as you stated the R's can win without our vote, why do they care about who we vote for but don't care about OUR well being.
As far as M. Steel goes I think that he has missed a great opportunity to draw AA's to the R party by allowing the R's to disrespect him PUBLICLY. I haven"t read his book yet,
IMO Most AA, R's are educated and have forgotten or don't know where they came from and don"t want to, or don't know how to deal with the grass roots in our community. Some of them think that they are above the less educated AA's That is the problem, they only worry about and help their family & group.

Missdeejay...I commend your long journey and your family certainly seem to be NOT the type of people who wait around for anyones help...(which is color neutral)...

Have you ever heard of the terms "peace democrat" or "copperhead"?

Run a google on that...

BTW..I'm a former democrat and used to be quite the flaming liberal...and soft bigot.

I grew up.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Nice try DJ but you're wrong.

Your father probably wasn't given a "menial" job because of his color.

This is because Truman ordered full integration of the military in 1948. The invasion of South Korea almost two years to the day later.

This means your father probably didn't have a problem with his assignment wasn't qualified for another or requested for it or flat out lied to you about his service.

I have yet to find someone who was denied a chance for a "non-menial job" or whatever that is and I've met A LOT of veterans. Many of which were MONTFORD POINT Marines and served in grunt units. AND grunts don't have qualifications other than physical.

In the future I would advise you to put your father's honorable service above your racial biases. It dishonors him and his service for something as pointless as failing to make a point on race relations.

MikeyA

Mikey a
I think that you misunderstand my explanation of my father and his service. First of all I was stating the point from my memory, not what my father said. As a Matter of fact he NEVER complained to me that he was resentful at all about the work that he did. He had to accept the way things were back then, thats the way that it was for Negroes [THATS WHAT WE WERE CALLED BACK THEN]. He had to do what he was told ,there was know CHOICE. I am sure that the Vets that you know told you the same thing
I am proud of my Father because he had it hard and he survived regardless of RACISM AND PREJUDICE THAT WAS THE nORM OF THE TIMES. I am not going to debate you on what year this or that happened it is not that important to me.but I am open to learn new things about OUR history. OUR=All-Americans.
What could he have been qualified for when he only had a 8th grade education? You think [grunt work}.
I think that my points are very valid in regards to this topic because it IS a part of AMERICA"S HISTORY.
You seem to be combative in your post why is that? I am not in a contest with you or anyone else on this site. Just talking not mad at anybody about anything because ME AND MY PEOPLE SURVIVED , WE ARE STILL HERE, WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE BECAUSE WE ARE AMERICANS TOO.

First off you are right about the draft however people then and do now have influence over their job. Additionally when I say grunt it means infantry. Not grunt work which is a derrogatory term towards someone's job.

If I seem combative in my post it is because Negro (and their called that today too and it's acceptable and is the cause for this entire thread) Veterans are probably prouder than white veterans because they had it harder.

Secondly, if having no choice was of such detrement to Negro servicemembers why has Charlie Rangel tried to reinstate the draft?

And don't get me wrong. As a serviceman I am honored to follow someone like your father and the road he and men like him have paved for myself. I don't want to do them a disservice to their sacrifice by trying to demean it nor would I stand back and let anyone else do it.

And unbeknownst to someone like purnhrt my mother has the Presidential Citation personally signed by Truman which recognized my great-uncle's platoon during the Chinese Incursion of Korea (in 1950). His platoon was one of the few to hold their hill. He was Platoon Sgt and the platoon was a Negro Platoon. He was made Plt Sgt of it as punishment (because he was a known racist) when he punched his CO after a night of drinking.

The family joke has always been they held their ground because they were scared of him more than the chinese because he was an absolute bastard.

MikeyA

MikeyA;
You said" Secondly, if having no choice was of such a detrement to Negroe service members why has Charlie Rangel tried to reinstate the draft?
MDJ says I don't think that it was a detrement at all, there were no jobs and we/they were poor and the armed services gave them away out and up. A Steady income, an allotment to their family, a chance to show their opressors that they were just as much man as the white man. Sometimes smarter than.!! You had to be smart enough to know how to work around the obstacles. REALLY THAT'S HOW LIFE IS REGARDLESS. No matter who you are.
We just learned to live with the discrimination, we still do. Education is the key in this life for anybody.
Things are not as bad as they use to be, we have over come a hell of a lot.
Martin Luther King's Day is a good day for this conversation and reflection on how far America has come and grown.
Charlie Rangel; Ok I dont have stats I am going on a memory. I thought that he was using that as a tactic to slow the Bush admin.down on the war/s they were getting us involved in. You know that if the draft was initiated all of the people that were eligible would have to register FOR THE DRAFT, WOULDN'T THAT INCLUDE THE CHILDREN OF THE RICH, POOR, POLITICANS, SENATORS,CONGRESSMAN,etc.etc.Hence another Vietnam, People protesting in the streets to stop the WAR.You are a Veteran tell me what you think about it.

You are correct...The draft proposal was a direct attempt to undermine the war effort...

We dont need a draft.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I agree with everything in your post.

Your previous post though you used the word menial. From menial, a derrogatory word, I took it to mean you viewed the work and the position menial.

I hope from that you can understand why I responded the way I did.

MikeyA

I agree with everything in your post.

Your previous post though you used the word menial. From menial, a derrogatory word, I took it to mean you viewed the work and the position menial.

I hope from that you can understand why I responded the way I did.

MikeyA

I don't need anyone to help me do anything. I have paid my dues and retired, raised my family, and helping one of my grandchildren go to college.
If you can't see that the children of uneducated poor people regardless of etnicity need a leg up then you are missing the point and I think that here is where the problem lies.
I also feel that this is where the R's miss it too. You keep talking this stuff about geting gov't out of our lives, is that what the R's did for the last 8 years. 2Two wars and bankrupting the country[ they stole the money AND THEN GAVE THEMSELVES A BONUS!!!!
The D's are guilty too.
WHERE ARE THE JOBS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT OF WORK. If the Gov't doesnt help them who will YOU? You have to give people training for new jobs whose going to pay for that. WE ARE.
I am off my soapbox for now. Will see what tomorrow brings. LOL

"Until America's white ruling class accepts the fact that the book never closes on massive unredressed social wrongs, America has no future as one people." Randall Robinson.

Libs stated, "And if that is what you are saying, why do you think that the black community needs someone to 'better their condition' when the white community, the asian community, the hispanic community et al are not waiting around for help?"

The simplistic way of stating why the black community needs someone to "better their condition" would be that no other race of people who live in America was STOLEN from their country of birth, stripped of their culture, religion, family, mores and language and brought to a cold country and forced into labor without pay for over three hundred years. The remnants of that legacy persists still today, the first decade of the 21st century.

Also when you state the black community needs someone to better their condition, obviously you don't realize that the vast majority of the black community hasn't asked for anybody to better their condition and are taking care of themselves and their families, against sometimes insurmountable odds.

When all you see is what the media wants to present you get a distorted view of what is really going on.

Sflagg you stated that, "Reid likely said nothing which had not already been discussed in the AA community and elsewhere." The black community that I am involved in, along with my family and other communities that I am involved in outside of Toledo had never discussed the issues raised by Reid. However, until we do have that real discussion on race, 100 years from now the same issues will still be here, in this place we call America.

purnhrt I wish I could believe this statement:

Also when you state the black community needs someone to better their condition, obviously you don't realize that the vast majority of the black community hasn't asked for anybody to better their condition and are taking care of themselves and their families, against sometimes insurmountable odds.

but I doubt you watched the first video Zeit posted above.

MikeyA

you don't have to doubt whether or not I watched the first video Zeit posted, I can tell you that I didn't. I didn't know that it was mandatory to watch and read everything on SB.

You don't have to believe the statement. Just keep watching television (media) and get the true view of black America.

To DJ, you arrogantly stated that; *****"This means your father probably didn't have a problem with his assignment wasn't qualified for another or requested for it or flat out lied to you about his service." *****

What you have posted means that you are stupid. For your information the armed forces was not FULLY integrated until late 1954. You stated that DJ's father misrepresented himself to his daughter, or in your words "just flat out lied.". You are just an asshole who contributes nothing to Swamp Bubbles except derision and division.

I suggested a number of scenarios as to what could have happened with DJ's father.

And while it wasn't "fully integrated" he would have had a chance to serve in other jobs and switch to those jobs. Full integration means they didn't reach staffing levels. Something I know something about and you obviously do not.

We expanded the military in the last two years. We were given 5 years in which to do it and it happened in 2. When we began all the jobs were open to anyone but as they were filled some became harder and harder to get.

The ONLY way her father would have been denied for a job would have been if he were mentally or physically unqualified. Since the "menial" jobs were filled by Negros prior to 1948 it stands to reason that they would have already been at staffing goals and would have needed to only replace those who switched to other jobs. Due to lethargy and qualifications it is very likely that these jobs would still have remained at an 80% fill rate while other jobs would have lower rates giving ample chance to change.

You are just an asshole who contributes nothing to Swamp Bubbles except derision and division.

Name calling again? At least this time you had the guts to do it forthrightly so you can't claim you didn't later. At least I can respect that. You are growing as a person and it makes me smile.

DJ made a comment that I believe is under false pretenses due to historical fact and my knowledge of the military. I believe it disrespects her father, someone I would share a kinship with. If I am wrong she is able to correct me or admit she lied, either I would love for her to do because it would restore the respect her father earned. What she doesn't need is you to defend her through name calling. It cheapens both of your arguments.

MikeyA

comment to you has absolutely nothing to do with DJ or any other person. It has to do with you and the stupid comments that you make concerning stuff you know nothing about.

Nothing I say cheapens another person's comment, just as nothing you say cheapens any other person's comments.

And to call someone's father a liar that you have never met, don't know, have never talked to cheapens you period.

My knowledge comes from my own personal experience (please see the comment on my great uncle's PUC noted in my post to DJ above) and known facts.

It is common knowledge that Truman desegregated the military in 1948 via executive order. That order was effective the moment it was signed. So if you have any problems with the FACTS I have noted you can send an email to: the Pentagon, wikipedia, and every history teacher across the country because they all disagree with you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_African_Americans

And now since you have name called me twice I will return the favor. Purnhrt is a history revisionist.

MikeyA

"For your information the armed forces was not FULLY integrated until late 1954."

OOH OOOH...I'LL TAKE THIS ONE!!!....

Do you know who fully segregated the military to BEGIN with?

http://www.academia.org/progressive-segregation/

Also of note:

What was the year the woodrow wilson noticed segregated armed forces and changed the law to enforce the equal employment among races in armed forces?

Woodrow Wilson did not "notice segregation" in the armed forces - he expanded it to include all departments in the executive branch of the federal government during his two terms (1913-21) in office. In 1912 black civil rights leaders, many hoping for Wilson, the one-term Governor of New Jersey, would bring a new sense of racial equality to the US government. Teddy Roosevelt had tried it in 1908 but had been slapped down by the Democrats when he invited and hosted Booker T. Washington to dinner at the White House. Across the South - and, even in other parts of the country - Democrats denounced Roosevelt for deigning to invite a Negro to the presidential mansion. William Howard Taft, Roosevelt's successor, did not wish to make enemies with leading Southern Democrats in Congress and did not repeat Roosevelt's "mistake."

In 1912, with Taft running for re-election, many black leaders, including W.E.B. Du Bois and William Monroe Trotter, among others, got assurances from Wilson, the Democrats' presidential nominee, that he would work to integrate blacks into the government even more than Roosevelt and Taft had done. Du Bois and Trotter took Wilson at his word, but had they looked, they would have noticed that Wilson, when serving as President of Princeton University in New Jersey, had instituted a strict policy that barred all blacks from the campus.

With Wilson's election, he named three rabid segregationists to his cabinet: Albert S. Burleson as Postmaster General, Josephus Daniels as the Secretary of the Navy, and William Gibbs McAdoo (who later married one of Wilson's daughters) as the Secretary of the Treasury. All three men then systematically segregated their departments, barring blacks from eating and other areas where whites were, and ending the practice of giving civil service jobs not based on race but on merit - Wilson even ordered that all job applicants had to furnish a photo with their application, thereby allowing any person doing the hiring to make sure not to hire a black person. When Du Bois and others protested Wilson's horrendous policy - as well as his lie to them to get their support in 1912 - Wilson called them traitors and had them forcibly removed from the White House. The black community was slow to realize what Wilson and the Democrats had done to them; in 1916, black voters, still hoping to get some part of the economic pie in America, again threw their support to Wilson. Re-elected, Wilson once again failed to aid blacks, and, when the US entered the First World War in April 1917, he ordered that black members of the US military not serve in front-line units, or with whites. Black soldiers who did see action only did so by accident.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_year_the_woodrow_wilson_noticed_s...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States

http://www.kawvalley.k12.ks.us/brown_v_board/segregation.htm

http://hiphoprepublican.com/general/2010/01/11/harry-woodrow-reid/

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

This from your wiki-Military History of African Americans link that you provided******Many soldiers of color served their country with distinction during World War II. There were 125,000 African Americans who were overseas in World War II. Famous segregated units, such as the Tuskegee Airmen and 761st Tank Battalion proved their value in combat, leading to desegregation of all U.S. Armed Forces by order of President Harry S. Truman in July 1948 via Executive Order 9981.*******
The way I read this is that Truman's executive order 9981 called for the desegregation of the U.S. Armed Forces in 1948.

The Armed Forces were not fully desegregated until late 1954. "October 30, 1954 the Secretary of Denfence announced that the last racially segregated unit in the Armed Forces of the United States had been abolished.." Surely you don't think that he signed the order and immediately the armed services were desegregated.

I have not revised History, you just don't know yours.
www.Tuskegeeairmen.org/Tuskegee_Airmen_History.html

She said He finally joined or was drafted into the Army and this was during the Korean war. "THEY"
trained him to do the menial jobs such as kitchen duty. janitorial, hauling dead bodies, The kind of jobs that they gave to a Negroe civilian.

Thus implying that he was not open to the opportunities of a white soldier.

My point was if he served in the Korean war he either came into a desegregated military or had 2 years (actually 1 year and 364 days) to move to a different job under the timeline she provided and historical fact.

Just because the military was not desegregated doesn't mean her father didn't have that opportunity. In fact the moment that executive order was signed he had the opportunity to move into any job and any unit provided he met the minimum mental and physical requirements.

That is history combined with basic common sense.

MikeyA

you don't understand that the Armed Forces is a "hurry up and wait" entity.
When Truman signed the order, the desegregation did not immediately occur. The armed forces was not completely desegregated until 1954.

The Tuskegee Airmen was a segregated unit and did not desegregate during the Korean War. I had a relative who was a Tuskegee Airman and to this day, I know one who is still alive.

One thing you must remember when spouting your rhetoric, I was alive and in full control of all of my senses when these historic events were occurring. So while I do not revise history as you stated, I remember a lot of it because I was living in it.

Sometimes I may have to look up dates but I generally come pretty close to my memories.

orders withdrawal of troops from Korea in April 1948. That does not mean that in April 1948, all of the troops were gone from Korea. You being in the military should know that.

I had a relative who was stationed in Korea in 1950.

March 18, 1951: The Department of Defense announces that all basic training within the United States has been integrated.

April 1951: General Matthew B. Ridgway, head of the United Nations Command in Korea, requests that the Army allow him to integrate all African-Americans within his command.

July 26, 1951: The Army announces that the integration of all its units in Korea, Japan and Okinawa will be completed within six months..

1953

October 1953: The Army announces that 95% of African-American soldiers are serving in integrated units..

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/desegregation...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

the Korean conflict was 1950-53.

In any event, the military did not begin to get serious about integration until the Gesell Committee was established by JFK in '62.

More stringent guidelines followed the year after, those with some teeth. Truman got the ball rolling in '48, but like every other social initiative back then, the actual effects were felt well after the first act.

thank you for explaining the community in which I live, work, will raise my children, got my education. After all your knowledge of it is so superior to mine since you have had relatives in it and that means you trump every text book ever written on the subject.

My drill instructor would have LOVED you. He would have made you stand in the bathroom staring into a mirror yelling "I'M NOT STUPID YOU ARE!" and that conversation would make more sense than all of your posts in this thread.

I am so sorry the public school system failed you so badly.

MikeyA

I think that we have discussed my father and his time in the service. Long enough ,I don't have enough pertinent information for all of you experts. LOL I can't give it to you because he is deceased. He died in 2006 at the ripe old age of 83, he is buried in the Veterans Cemetary in Tennesee. All of my comments about him and the service were MY memories. [subject to errors] However thanks for your input I learned somethings.

is your father served and he served honorably, during an extremely difficult time for a person of color, be it in the military or as a civilian.

You should be proud of that. Everything else is irrelevant.

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