Local abortion clinic owner on dog committee - she says puppies must be saved

Does anyone else see the irony in this ? The Center for choice website http://centerforchoice.com/abortion.htm says they do 2nd trimester abortions thru 22 weeks . The baby is well developed by that time http://www.ehd.org/prenatal-images.php?thum_id=442 .
http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_f3qyf2
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091113/NEWS16/91...
She is president of Planned pethood !! Saving puppies and terminating babies . I don't get that.
http://www.plannedpethood.org/default.asp?wm=G&tid=1&pid=341
the truth that few Americans want to know - http://abortionno.org/

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Liberalism is a mental disorder....it's the only logical explanation...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

have no say and can't speak their preference. This is not the same with human babies :)

(cross-posted at Toledo Talk)

The Center for Choice and Planned Pethood are separate organizations, and while I respect that people are going to differ on the issue of abortion, my hope is that Planned Pethood will not suffer a backlash of negative publicity because of people's views on Carol Dunn's role with the Center for Choice.

You would have to discuss Carol Dunn's views with her for answers. There are plenty of fosters and volunteers with Planned Pethood who hold a variety of political opinions, and I think it is safe to say that there are more than a few pro-life folks in PPI. However, given the fact that spay/neuter programs are an integral part of PPI's mission, I think one can figure out that her interests seem to be in reducing the populations of unwanted dogs, cats, and babies, but again: you would need to talk with Carol Dunn for her beliefs. I am sure that there are plenty of Planned Pethood volunteers who would vehemently disagree with her advocacy of abortion rights, but the people in Planned Pethood put politics and personal moral decisions above the group's mission, which is to reduce the number of cats and dogs in area shelters by sponsoring low-cost spay/neuter programs and by finding good homes for unwanted cats and dogs.

At no time in more than a handful of PPI-related conversations have I ever heard Carol Dunn talk about her involvement with other groups, including Center for Choice. My biggest concern here is that PPI will take undeserved flak because of outside activities of the group's founder.

Of course, if readers happen to be of the mindset that spaying and neutering animals is against God's will, they probably would not be supporting PPI anyways. They would also be likely to be the sort of people for whom clearly defined group missions and degrees of separation are unacceptable, as in "I won't support Planned Pethood because THAT BABY-KILLING WOMAN sits on the group's board."

As for irony: I would find this no more ironic than if I learned that Tom Skeldon was pro-life. Pet rescue/spay/neuter and abortion rights are completely separate issues, and each of us can make informed decisions about these and any other political/philosophical/religious debates.

(full disclosure: historymike has been a longtime foster and volunteer with PPI)

speaking of a mental disorder---a fetus is not a "baby" as much as some people like to think it is. And it's no one's business what someone does with their own body. I'm not sure what this has to do with puppies.

Pink Slip

"--a fetus is not a "baby" "
Need any more evidence that liberalism is a mental disorder?

Nah, a fetus is a frog, but at the very moment it leaves the mothers body, it becomes a human. That argument is so stupid it's pathetic.
I suppose those late term "fetus'" aren't babies either eh? You know the ones that liberals believe it should be legal to bring down the birth canal, jam a pair of scissors in their head scramble the brains and vacuum out?

Sickening....save the puppies, kill the babies!

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

"Need any more evidence that liberalism is a mental disorder?"

I suppose that makes Ayn Rand a liberal:

"An embryo has no rights. Rights do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born. The living take precedence over the not-yet-living (or the unborn)"

Damn fundamentalists whackos---always trying to legislate morality. Mind your own damn business. I still don't know what this has to do with puppies.

Pink Slip

Oh...gee....well hell...THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING!...

NOT.

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“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Keep going, with every comment you make you sound more ridiculous.

"Potential", hmm, seems I recall your messiah voted on three occasions to deny basic rights to babies that might survive abortions.

Not all that surprising, since he's stated he wouldn't want to "punish" young people wh had "made a mistake", with a baby.

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

"Obama did it!"

So now we're talking about Obama? Nice deflection. Right from the playbook of the American Taliban. You should move to the Middle East---with your fundamentalism, you'd fit right in....

Pink Slip

"American Taliban"

Rule 13: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. As soon as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all of the “others” come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Keep going moron. be honest, given the opportunity, you'd eat the corn from 0bamas feces wouldn't you?

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

Haha...did you learn that maneuver in Tea Bag class? I'm beginning to think your mother would have agreed with me on abortion.

Pink Slip

Go after the guys mother?

Allways a class act eh pinko?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I'm sure YOUR mother wished she had considered abortion.

THAT'S NOT A BOW!!!!!!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

No?

what is it then? A quick alternative cuz Akahito already had the Indiana Jones and Star Wars DVD collections?

THIS ISNT A BOW EITHER!!!!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YGLQQZTHoU0/Sd1GWxt5EuI/AAAAAAAAH5A/5CSlddUyMY...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Oh my god!!! He's showing respect to world leaders!!!! And he's actually touching people of a different race!!!! You must really be cheesed off.

What's next, a President who takes long walks on the beach with the Saudis?

Or a President making a bad touch on another world leader??

Pink Slip

I personally can't wait for the photo of him extending the same respect to Hu Jintao.

I don't think a picture like that will come back to haunt him in the least.

MikeyA

a fetus is not a "baby" as much as some people like to think it is.

but if you kill one without the mother's consent, you can be tried for murder.

His next stop is China, and here's how to properly grovel (kow-tow) in that country! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Kowtow.jpg

That depends on the state. But I'm glad you recognize a woman's consent. It's a start.

Pink Slip

Let's face it -

Men/boys flush their sperm by the millions starting at age 13/14.

Women/girls own bodies destroy their eggs every month starting at the same age.

But when the two get together, they have the full constitutional rights of a human? Why wait till they get together, why not just give full rights to sperm and eggs?

Witness the attitude that eventually leads to people being riflebutted into train cars....

It's called "Dehumanization"...

It's just a toenail....not a baby...

It's just a fetus....not a baby....

It's just a jew......not a person....

Individualists dont commit genocide....collectivists do....

Genocide requires a mob.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

did not say "he wouldn't want to "punish" young people wh had "made a mistake", with a baby." He said he did not want to punish his own daughters with a baby. Two different things, even if you are the president. He is not the dictator.

And a man who would support offing his own grandchild should be trusted....why?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

Yes, she is the president. Actually when you open the yellow pages under "abortion" and see the CFC ad there, they actually do abortions thru 24 weeks, the maximum allowed in Ohio. I see Channel 13 Bill Horman is on the board for Planned Pethood. It's ironic because 13ABC this past week did a story on a 'preemie' that was born 3 months early....they then showed this girl who is about a year old or so now........the story focused on how the neo-natal doctors were able to save this child, despite the difficulties they faced.....the general public does not know what really goes on behind the doors of the abortionist.

Because puppies and fetuses are the same!

*smacks forehead*

Pink Slip

Liberals love the death penalty...but only when it's practiced on the unborn.

Dont try to execute a cop killer though...

Clearly...the canine rates higher than the human to you.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Pink_Slip, the argument isn't really about abortion, puppies or fetuses. It's about control. These are the people who love freedom and would gleefully do anything to serve that noble cause - so long as they get to decide what freedom really is. Most of these fanatics aren't aware of their own blind spot, and could not force themselves to see this dichotomy without some sort of Divine intervention.

I experienced a huge lesson in fanaticism when I watched a small group of people whom I believed to be perfectly rational and well educated blithely excuse the assassination of a medical doctor as 'necessary to the cause'. What bothered me more than anything was the casual way in which this crime - premeditated murder - was dismissed.

If these people really wanted to eliminate the number of abortions in the US, they could begin by offering alternatives that do not involve financial hardship or becoming a social pariah (Question: How many unwed mothers do these good, God fearing Christians see in their own Church services every Sunday? How are those women treated?). The anti-abortion crowd could, if it chose to do so, give financial support to the woman through the pregnancy and adopt the baby later on. They don't. They'd much rather control other people's lives than help them.

Keep abortion legal. Keep freedom legal. Keep the law, and law enforcement out of the bloody hands of the fascist oppressors.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

"Keep abortion legal. Keep freedom legal. Keep the law, and law enforcement out of the bloody hands of the fascist oppressors."

No wonder they call you "mad"...jack....

This is orwellian newspeak.....

Killing babies is "choice'...Killing babies is "freedom".....protection of the unborn is "fascism"...the protectors hands are "bloody"....yet you ignore the spilled "blood" of the unborn...

I dont know anyone who condoned the Tiller murder.....but the claim he was merely a "medical doctor" is laughable....the man personally killed more babies than pol pot....

I dont condone his death...but I also wont shed a tear for him.....I view it as Karma...

And Karma is a beotch....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

And keep your government mandated "healthcare".

Or does the only choice I have about my body have to do with abortion?

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Ya!...unt zee chioze eez noct for zee zchools eezah!!!!

Schweinhund!III

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

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