Finally, the GOP health care plan

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Well, I guess maybe there's something to the saying-"an ounce of prevention's worth a pound of cure".

Pinky likes the insane democrat...I'm shocked...shocked I say...

Oh yeah...and the ADL took him to task for misusing the term holocaust:

Florida Rep. Alan Grayson, who has drawn fire for saying Republicans want Americans to "die quickly" if they get sick, expressed regret Friday for comparing the health care crisis to a "holocaust."

Grayson vowed not to use the term again in a letter he sent Friday to the Andrew Rosenkranz, Florida regional director of the Anti-Defamation League, a prominent Jewish organization that fights anti-Semitism.

Grayson evoked the Holocaust during a speech on the House floor Wednesday even though he wasn't referring to the genocide of European Jews in Nazi concentration camps during World War II.

"I call upon all of us to do our jobs for the sake of America, for the sake of those dying people and their families," Grayson said. "I apologize to the dead and their families that we haven't voted sooner to end this holocaust in America."

Grayson, who is Jewish and says he has relatives who died in the Holocaust, said he wrote the letter to address the concerns his comments caused.

"In no way did I mean to minimize the Holocaust," Grayson wrote in the letter obtained by FOXNews.com. "I regret the choice of words, and I will not repeat it."

Grayson added that he is a "staunch" supporter of Israel and has repeatedly called for action against Iran to avoid another Holocaust.

Rosenkranz told FOXNews.com Grayson was responding to a letter he sent him stating the group's position that led to a phone conversation between the two on Thursday.

"It's an improper use of Holocaust imagery," Rosenkranz said he told Grayson. "It should never be used. A civil discourse regarding the health debate is one thing but comparing it to perhaps the world's worst atrocity in the history of mankind is unfortunate and after speaking with him, he said he regrets making the remark."

Rosenkranz said it didn't make a difference whether Grayson was using the broader definition of "holocaust."

"I think it's important to note that when you hear the word 'holocauast' today, most people think of the genocide of six million Jews and that was never a point of contention between the two of us."

Grayson still refuses to apologize for his "die quickly" comments that he made on Tuesday. His re-election campaign poked fun at the GOP for demanding an apology.

"Congressman Grayson's re-election campaign wishes to thank all of the Republican hypocrites who attacked Grayson," the Florida Democrat's campaign wrote in an e-mail.

"As soon as the Republican hissy fits began, contributions began to pour in to Grayson's campaign," the e-mail read. Grayson's campaign invited Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., to serve as finance director.

Price is planning to introduce a resolution of disapproval as payback for Democrats succeeding in voting to reprimand South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson last month for shouting "You lie!" at President Obama during his address to Congress.

Republicans are pressing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to "rein in" Grayson.

Pelosi said Thursday that anyone using harsh rhetoric to raise fears about health care reform should apologize and get on with writing policy. She added that she believes Republicans are holding Democrats to a higher standard than their own members in light of comments made by Republicans on the House floor relating to death.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/02/grayson-regrets-holocaust-rem...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

It's an easy as 1-2-3, ZZZeitgeist:

1. Don't get sick

2. And if you do get sick...

3. Die quickly

Pink Slip

And yet the jewish congressman had to apologise to the Jewish Anti Defimation league for misuse of the term holocaust...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

What's that got to do with the GOP health care plan?

1. Don't get sick

2. And if you do get sick...

3. Die quickly

Pink Slip

It's a another liberal fantasy.

*shrug*

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

"It's a another liberal fantasy."

Okay...please, disabuse us of our fantastical notions. What's the Republican health care plan?

Well..it sure isnt what an insane democrat spews on the floor of congress.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Ok knuckleheads...here's the REAL GOP proposals:

Even though they have been shut out of the process by democrats.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/07/29/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124277551107536875.html

So what's going to come out of congress has DEMOCRAT written all over it...

Dont forget that when you are paying TAXES on your health care as INCOME...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

That's the "plan?" Are you serious?

"The nexus of their plan is redirecting the $300 billion annual tax subsidy for employment-based health insurance to individuals in the form of refundable, advanceable tax credits. Families would get $5,700 a year and individuals $2,300 to buy insurance and invest in Health Savings Accounts."

And how exactly does this help the uninsured, and uninsurable?

"Low-income Americans would get a supplemental debit card of up to $5,000 to help them purchase insurance and pay out-of-pocket costs."

Sounds like a redistribution scheme, big Z. Are you sure you could stand behind this?

"Even though they have been shut out of the process by democrats."

Again, are you serious? Democrats REFUSE to shut Republicans out of the process. While Republicans busy themselves drawing Hitler mustaches on pictures of Obama, Obama remains diplomatic (to a fault, in my opinion). I have no idea why he continues to think that people like Chuck Grassley will negotiate in good faith.

Ah...but it isnt MY plan duffas...

You guys claim there is no GOP plan...

There it is....makes Grayson a lying buffon...

And pink a lying buffon worshiper...

But at least we've gone from "the gop has no plan" to "the gop plan sucks"

That is progress of sorts...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

"You guys claim there is no GOP plan..."

No, we're saying the GOP "plan" is to implement no serious reforms. No serious reforms means that the GOP is essentially saying to the uninsured and uninsurable "don't get sick, and if you do, too bad." Which makes Grayson's criticism of the GOP fairly accurate. In fact, here's House Minority Whip Eric Cantor offering such a proposal to a constituent:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_09/020070.php

So, "liberal fantasy" my ***. Seriously, if one is unwilling to accept the presence of state or federally sponsored safety nets, what alternatives would exist for the uninsured? Private charity, as Rep. Cantor suggests? Bankruptcy? What is the "conservative" answer, if not a public safety net?

And furthermore, what is so wrong about being a "buffon worshiper," anyways? Sarah Michelle Gellar has quite a bit of appeal, IMHO.

What say you, sir?

"Dont forget that when you are paying TAXES on your health care as INCOME..."

Um, what's the problem with that?

It's likely to be the case that about 80% of your health-insurance premium is paid FOR YOU by your employer. That makes it a benefit. That then makes it taxable, like any other form of compensation you get from your employer.

Ah another Obama lie..

"If you make less than $250,000 a year, you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime," Obama

trust me..I make WAY less than 250 grand in several years...

So yeah...if they tax my benefits as income then my taxes are going to go up by a few grand a year at least...

Plus the caddilac penalty for being well covered by a union policy....

Oh boy!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

AGREED!

I had to tolerate arguments about taxing benefits quite a bit pre-election.

Why wouldn't I pay taxes on my income? If Health care is a benefit of employment--something I get in exchange for work--then I should pay taxes on it just as I would the money in my paycheck.

Seems people want to enjoy health care paid for by someone's taxes, yet when it comes time for them to pay taxes on earnings, they claim that it should not be taxed?

Ah...the paradigm has shifted for some I see...

Since when is health care coverage INCOME?

And if it is INCOME...the shouldnt EVERYONE who gets free health care declare it as income?

Or only working people?

And if it's income...shouldnt I have the OPTION of taking that income in the form of CASH?

Bottom line here....by plain example...if you want less of something...tax it....right?...isnt that the liberal argument for high taxes on cigs, booze, junk food,SODA?

taxes are meant to disgourage the use of what ever is taxed....that is the entire arguement for raising the tax...right?

So when health care is taxed...you expect to see MORE of it?

Is that even logical?

In other words...it may in fact be cheaper for me to refuse the coverage altogether and pay the FINE at the end of the year...

Oh but I cant...because my health insurance ISNT INCOME and cannot be converted to cash.

Sheesh....

Btw Hellen..you are free to send extra money to the IRS anytime you want...they will take it gladly...but somehow I doubt you will do so out of the kindness of your heart and your deep pockets.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Btw Hellen..you are free to send extra money to the IRS anytime you want...they will take it gladly...but somehow I doubt you will do so out of the kindness of your heart and your deep pockets.

First, Z, why an assumption that I have deep pockets? It is, in fact, unfair and innaccurate. I don't mind telling you that my most recent promotion (earned from hard work, dedication to my students, a record of success, and strong evaluations over time--read: WORK ETHIC), bumped me up above $40K (with benefits SUBSIDIZED by my employer). I'm not complaining...I am blessed to have this opportunity, but my pockets aren't deep. I just live within my means.

And, I was misunderstood in that last post--I don't WANT to pay more taxes...I'd like to have more of my own hard earned money at my disposal so that if I CHOOSE to donate it to charities that help people less fortunate than I , I could and would give more.

Look at the history of health-care benefits in this nation: employers began offering it as a PERK of employment to compete for workers AND to skirt wage controls. The argument, "Since when is health care benefits income?" posits that because it has always not been considered so, that it shouldn't be ever. That is illogical.

I'd rather leave my employer and Uncle Sam out of it, get a bigger paycheck, and choose my own health insurance, which would then be non-taxable.

Btw Hellen..you are free to send extra money to the IRS anytime you want...they will take it gladly...but somehow I doubt you will do so out of the kindness of your heart and your deep pockets.

First, Z, why an assumption that I have deep pockets? It is, in fact, unfair and innaccurate. I don't mind telling you that my most recent promotion (earned from hard work, dedication to my students, a record of success, and strong evaluations over time--read: WORK ETHIC), bumped me up above $40K (with benefits SUBSIDIZED by my employer). I'm not complaining...I am blessed to have this opportunity, but my pockets aren't deep. I just live within my means.

And, I was misunderstood in that last post--I don't WANT to pay more taxes...I'd like to have more of my own hard earned money at my disposal so that if I CHOOSE to donate it to charities that help people less fortunate than I , I could and would give more.

Look at the history of health-care benefits in this nation: employers began offering it as a PERK of employment to compete for workers AND to skirt wage controls. The argument, "Since when is health care benefits income?" posits that because it has always not been considered so, that it shouldn't be ever. That is illogical.

I'd rather leave my employer and Uncle Sam out of it, get a bigger paycheck, and choose my own health insurance, which would then be non-taxable.

Zzzzzz still thinks decreasing Medicare provider payments will somehow magically destroy private insurances.

Pink Slip

And you still think they wont be cutting medicare.

One of us will be proven right over time.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

The creation of public health insurance was never the real heart of Obamacare. The real essence of Obama's agenda is the destruction of private health insurance. Obama has launched a war on private health insurance, and the Baucus bill contains every essential element of that war.

The Baucus bill includes an "individual mandate" that requires everyone to buy health insurance-but NOT inexpensive, high-deductible catastrophic health insurance. Instead, it imposes a requirement for pricier comprehensive coverage that pays for routine costs like annual checkups. The bill then requires that insurance companies provide coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, and that they charge customers at high risk of medical problems the same rates as those with lower risks-which means that these extra expenses will have to be paid for by raising everyone else's premiums. And then the Baucus bill delivers the knock-out punch: after forcing us into expensive comprehensive insurance plans and driving up the cost of those plans, the bill would impose a massive 40% tax on "gold-plated" plans-which turn out to include the health-insurance plans of many in the middle class. So that drives up the cost of insurance even higher.

You can see why it doesn't much matter whether or not we have a "public option" in the original bill. Everything else in the bill is designed to make private health insurance unaffordable-so that in a few years, people will clamor for a government-subsidized "public option," and the same politicians who destroyed private health insurance can make a big show of coming to the rescue of their victims. What should really terrify us, though, is what comes next. What happens after people have been forced out of private insurance and into government-run insurance? Well, that's already happened for everyone over the age of 65, and Obama's plans for Medicare gives us a preview of our future under a government-run system. As Dick Morris points out, the elderly have turned against Obama's plan because they realize that "three-quarters of Obamacare is to be financed by slashing $500 billion from Medicare over the next ten years," primarily by cutting the fees paid to doctors for their services. In fact, such cuts are already in the works. The Obama administration recently announced a plan to cut Medicare payments to cardiologists and oncologists. These are the two medical specialties that have probably added the most to human life expectancy over the past forty years.

From RCP.com

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.-Ben Franklin

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Thanks for sharing this. It's very good and sadly very true.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.-Ben Franklin

Are you kidding? A mandate without a public option is a complete giveaway to private insurances. Why do you think insurance stocks go up every time there's a vote against the public option? Think of all those new consumers they'll have. They love it.

Pink Slip

Well is this about ending private insurance companies high profits or is it about insuring those who can't get insurance?

Personally I would like it to see the latter but the debate has shifted to the former.

MikeyA

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