The Obama lie of the day....fines for not having health care not a tax...

Bill says 'tax' when Obama said 'not'
By: Chris Frates and Mike Allen
September 21, 2009 09:06 AM EST

In the most contentious exchange of President Barack Obama’s marathon of five Sunday shows, he said it is “not true” that a requirement for individuals to get health insurance under a key reform plan now being debated amounts to a tax increase.

But he could look it up — in the bill.

Page 29, sentence one of the bill introduced by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont) says: “The consequence for not maintaining insurance would be an excise tax.”

And the rest of the bill is clear that the Finance Committee does, in fact, consider it a tax: “The excise tax would be assessed through the tax code and applied as an additional amount of Federal tax owed.”

The bill requires every American, with few exceptions, to carry health insurance. To enforce this individual mandate, the Senate Finance Committee created the excise tax as a penalty for people who don’t have insurance – and it can run as much as $3,800 a year per family.

The questions from ABC’s George Stephanopoulos highlighted a politically dangerous new aspect of the health reform debate for Obama – as critics from Republican leaders to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce say his reform proposals amount to a middle-class tax increase. Obama promised during the campaign that Americans earning less than $250,000 a year would not see any tax increases from an Obama administration.

Obama strongly denied that the mandate amounts to a tax increase – saying it was no different that requiring people to have auto insurance and charging a penalty if they don’t. He also said it was important for everyone to have insurance so that people who do carry insurance don’t have to shoulder the load for people who don’t. The excise tax is designed as an enforcement mechanism to ensure people will carry insurance.

Obama also told Stephanopoulos that Americans are already facing a “tax increase” from soaring insurance premiums and argued that health reform will curb the future costs and actually save Americans money.

During the campaign, Obama resisted the idea of an individual mandate to own insurance, but since then has been open to it.

But the questions about tax increases are part of an emerging Republican line of attack. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell on Sunday said, “I don't know anybody in my Republican conference in the Senate who's in favor of doing nothing on health care. . . . We don't think it's a good idea to raise taxes on small businesses and on individuals in the heart of a recession. There are some serious differences about what ought to be done.”

Obama also was pressed on whether new fees on insurance companies and drug makers to pay for reform would also amount to a tax levy on the middle class, because the companies would be likely to pass through the cost to consumers.

“I can still keep that promise because as I’ve said about two-thirds of what we’ve proposed would be from money that’s already in the health care system but just being spent badly,” Obama told CBS’s Bob Schieffer on “Face the Nation.”

“Now we are going to have to find some additional sources of revenue for the other third or so of the health care plan, and I’ve provided a long list of approaches that would not have impact on middle-class Americans. They’re not going to be forced to pay for this.”

The “Chairman’s Mark: America’s Healthy Future Act of 2009” says people up to 300 percent of the poverty line could pay a maximum of $750 per year if they don’t have insurance, and up to $1,500 per family. Above that line, the excise tax for individuals is $950 per year, with a family maximum of $3,800.


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There's no way Obama should be defending Baucus' steaming pile of a bill--but he is, because it's the most insurance-friendly bill out there.

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Oh oh...I might have to report you for speading fishy rumors about health care reform....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Typical politician. Which one of them was it that claimed some type of government imposed fee wasn't a tax, it was; "revenue enhancement"?
If Uncle Sam is charging you money for something, it's a tax whether they want to call it that or not.

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

I have no problem with taxing business owners who don't offer insurance. However I feel the ones that do provide it should be exempt from our recent hikes on minimum wage.

However taxes/fines/bills (whatever you intend to call it) on individuals is wrong and unconstitutional.

Without that part of the bill then there is no way to fund it without the deficit going crazy and since the way to fund it will be deemed unconstitutional there's no way it will pass. The Gov't takeover of healthcare has officially been stopped! This bill is DOA. The libs failed even with their majority... AGAIN! Stand by for 1994 all over again.


His entire ACORN pimped administration is based upon lies.

 I'm sure it is a law. Before I got smart and moved OUT of Toledo, I had to sign a paper at the DMV saying I had car insurance.

So why do you Ohioans have to buy 'Uninsured Motorist' insurance also?

Does anyone really think that making it a law that you have to buy health insurance will do anything?

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a

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