Results yesterday. Your thoughts.

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What were your thoughts on the election results yesterday? Any surprises? Any not so surprising results? For a quick glance, see

http://www.toledofreepress.com/2009/09/15/early-election-results/
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The people of toledo did just as they have done for decades - Overwhelmingly low turnout, and the ones who did show up did everything they could to ensure as little changes as possible.

Anybody looking for a nice 2bdrm brick ranch in West/Whitmer toledo? Nice neighborhood on a dead end street, so no thru traffic...

If your not looking for a ranch we have a nice brick bungalow on Elmhurst Rd in West Toledo. Should be on the marked very soon.
Good thing I don't gamble. Everything/one I voted for yesterday didn't make it. I could just see my taxes increasing and services dwindle as the results came in.

the brick ranch is mine. I'd sell it and move in a heartbeat if there was a market...

where would you move? Suburbs, or out of NW Ohio area altogether?

I actually think there's hope for the future for Toledo Republicans; Moody ran a pretty strong campaign.

Billy--what street is this on? I live in a brick ranch on a dead end street right by Whitmer. Are you trying to sell my house? Or are you my neighbor?

With all the serious talk on this blog and the Talk Radio Station about voting for change in Toledo and what happens, less than 20% vote. You gotta laugh!!! Those who spent all that time and money with TBT are sure looking foolish as time passes . The people of Toledo don't care what you all think. One thing we know for sure the talk radio station will garner even higher ratings as the angry nash their teeth of the prospects of a DEM as mayor.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

do you think there needs to be changes made, or is everything just fine with you?

You think spending time and money for change is foolish?

BillyBob no I don't think "everything is just fine" but Toledoians instinctively know that what happened in Toledo was not caused by local politicians. Contrary to what is said here and on the radio we have little control over national politics. So if you want to waste you hard-earned money and time on things out of your control have at it! If you want to get a good picture of what is really wrong here watch the upcoming movie Capitalism: A love story. Before you make a judgment call on the movie producer look at it with an open mind. Some of Moores movies have angered me in the past but from what I've heard there is bipartisan support for this one.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

You scoff at people who see problems and believe THEY can make a difference and work toward those ends.

to back up your beliefs you quote the Daily Show and Michael Moore?

You truly are a silly little person. What a fun little imaginary world you must live in.

wolfman you seriously don't think the local politicians have much of an impact on what happens to the area? You really are naive.

If I listened to you I'd probably think that all of Toledo's problems were caused by talk radio.

Luckily I don't. Toledo's problems are caused by exactly what we saw last night. Toledo's unwillingness to put new people into positions of power. Toledo lagged behind in the last economic boom and is worse off in the recession. It will do the same in the next economic boom and the next recession.

MikeyA

You make no sense Paul. How will we get higher ratings from a population that doesn't care about going out and voting? They are apathetic, so they won't take the time to listen to a station that talks about the issues, they'll continue to listen to music. Think about what you're typing before you let your fingers hit the keys.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

"Think about what you're typing before you let your fingers hit the keys." Boy Fred I was thinking that along time ago about your mouth on the radio! Many listeners that tune in to your radio station are not in agreement with all you say and do! Most are looking for local news and put up with the BS. That said I know its a let down for all you think you've done for Toledo but look at it this way remember your an entertainer you get paid to entertain that is all. With a Dem in office opportunities lay ahead, more TBT parties higher ratings all good for the station and your pocket book.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Finally someone who realizes that entertainment is what it's all about, first smart thing you've said on here Paul. I'd be curious about your research showing the reasons people listen, lots of stations would pay big bucks for that kind of demographic data.
Higher ratings are what I'm in this business for Paul, that's what all radiio people are after. Big ratings means big paychecks,and a big bonus. Nothing will ever top the Carty years though.
And I can't think of one thing I've done for Toledo except to stay and pay my taxes. I'm not here to "do things" for the city. I'm here to make money and entertain. So far, so good.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Well with another Dem in office I'm sure you'll think of something. One thing I regret is not to see the election of a Republican in this economy and how the station would have spun his inability to change anything. It would have been true entertainment.

Oh I can think of one thing you have done for Toledo. You and your ilk have ruined the image of Toledo nationally, every time some little thing happened in Toledo it went national with the help of the radio station.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

make up your mind - is WSPD not listened to and inconsequential, or are they so huge that they can effect a national audience?

No matter how bad you hate, you cant have it all!

Hey BillyBob it doesn't have a national audience but it does have a carpet bagger host with friends in higher places.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

You're seriously funny. You do realize that when all the national folks picked up the BS that happened locally, they quoted the Blade, dont you?

I can dig up my proof without too much bother if you'd like - my friends and family send it to me when they read about it around the country. i dont remember WSPD quoted ever - it's always the Blade.

You wanna take a stab at proving your arguement, genius?

Common Sense - parking tickets in own driveway?
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/26800/

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Wolf you're going to be proven wrong here.

I've seen the blades stories picked up multiple times by the AP. I cannot think of a time that I've seen a WSPD story picked up by the AP.

The AP serves over 1500 print media outlets and 500K electronic media outlets.

That's a large national imprint and dwarfs Beck's audience.

Plus the Blade has been bullying WSPD for years. -- PRE-Brian Wilson too!
http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=3133

MikeyA

AP bureau, they can easily get stories on the wire. WSPD is not and is virtually impossible for one of their stories to be picked up unless through another bureau or through the Blade.

The way I understand it is that any AP subscriber can submit to the AP.

If this is the case then WSPD can easily post stories from their website. Likewise most of their talent can work with TV or other print media (TFP) to get the stories on the wire.

But again. I can't think of a time where it's happened.

MikeyA

You've got balls - I sure as hell would NEVER reference Glenn Beck out here for fear of being called a right wing kool aid drinker!! I didnt see that because I dont generally go out to his site. But then again you're the one who finds it OK to quote from the Daily Show and Michael Moore too, so your credibility is tainted at best...

Did you read the article yourself? Didja?????

Didja see this: So Brian, I'm watching TV yesterday and I see that you're now enforcing a law in Toledo, Ohio that if you have a gravel driveway, you can get a ticket for parking on it....

SO - Beck sees the article ON TELEVISION, and gets with his company folks to see if they have any affiliates in toledo, and by golly they do... So they call up toledo and set up an interview.

Sorry pal, it was the larger networks who spread the word FIRST, and WSPD who was contacted AFTER it was seen on TV.

But thank you for the post - saved me trouble of going out to prove you wrong. By the way - it's becoming very typical of YOUR ilk to ignore the problem and bawl about the messenger. We have toledo democrats like Carty and Fredericks making us look like idiots nationally and all you can whine about is that people talk about it.

But you've already proven that you're own favorite course of action is to stick your head in the sand and let people use your backside as a bike rack

(example: Contrary to what is said here and on the radio we have little control over national politics. Sound familiar?) Sounds like the whimpering of a coward to me. Maybe you should change your sign on name to kitten. or Wussman

I do try a watch and listen to both sides of an argument. If you knew my voting record you would not call me a liberal. I consider myself a true independent. If you believe the story, "I'm watching TV yesterday" than I think the tooth fairy left something under your pillow and it smells. If you think these large cable and syndicated radio talk shows are not wholly planned and somewhat orchestrated for entertainment ratings (and I'm being nice here) than you are the one drinking the spiked kool aid, sir.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

If you believe the story, "I'm watching TV yesterday" than I think the tooth fairy left something under your pillow and it smells.

You are disputing a quote from a post YOU put out here?

If you dont believe what's contained in the post, then I suggest you refrain from posting them. You cannot post something and then decide which parts of it are fact and which are not. And if your stuff cant bear scrutiny, maybe you ought not to say anything at all.

If I get what you're saying here, Fred, it means you and your station have no real 'investment' in Toledo and the topic buttons you push and promote concerning the city have no relevancy beyond what it means for your ratings and the paycheck and bonus you would receive based on those ratings.

Which really doesn't seperate you very far, if at all, from all the long-standing power brokers and boogeymen who, according to you, have driven this city to the brink.

They're just in it for the paycheck and the financial bottom-line, and of course the power to manipulate everything behind the scenes like master puppeteers, and so, apparently, are you and your station and I'd suppose the company who owns your station.

Perhaps what's good for one is good for the other. A symbiotic relationship that can work. As opposed to the parasitic relationship than many politicians have with Toledo.

OR!

Or most that tune into his show live in the Toledo area but are not eligible to vote in Toledo.

...Like my parents. My mother listens to Glenn Beck and Brian Wilson (yeah I don't know why either). Yet she moved out of Toledo in 1989.

MikeyA

We just moved out of Toledo last week. So long suckers!

I beat you to it, i moved out of Toledo 33 days ago. 8-)

Have conservatives just stopped voting in Toledo? From what I hear on the local radio station, there's a lot of anger with the same old "Democrat-run" city. So where were all the conservatives last night?

Pink Slip

The Republican producers moved out of the city years ago. That's why you have Dems masquerading as Independents. That whole A Team vs B Team didn't work so well. Last one out of Toledo, turn off the lights!

It was apparent that even the Republicans that still live here were hesitant to fully support the GOP candidate. There are about 30-40% registered Republicans in Toledo (?), and yet Moody got 15% of the vote.

Pink Slip

Pinky might have meant this tongue-in-cheek, but it's actually a valid question. Where did all that 'anger' go? How did it carry over to the ballot box?

As I said before, I do believe Moody's numbers are indicative of some kind a groundswell for change, not just enough to get on Nov. ballot...this time.

Have conservatives just stopped voting in Toledo?

A lot of them have, sure. I asked around at work and that exactly was the answer I got a lot - they feel that there is such a conservative minority in town that what's the point? They feel that the libs will just keep outvoting them and keep putting the same old same old back in office, so why bother? why not just move?

And a lot of them HAVE moved. I dont know where you all work, but Im right down town, and I am DEFINATELY in the minority as far as being a toledoan compared to folks living in the 'burbs. Of the 10 people in my department there are:

2 - Perrysburg
3 - Oregon
3 - Sylvania
1 - H20ville
and me from Toledo.

and that's pretty indicative of most other departments here.

the term that comes to mind is "voting with your feet"

When we moved here 6 years ago, we made a conscious decision not to live in the city. We lived in the city of Akron before moving here, and realized that we had no voice. I was determined not to move someplace where I'd have no voice again. I needed to be on the north side for commuting to Detroit purposes. If I had it to do over, I'd probably be in Bedford because of the property taxes. Other folks are making the same choices, and leaving Toledo to feast on itself. There's no way I'd support unigov because it's just going to suck money back into the black hole of Toledo.

I voted with my feet 6 months ago. Hope all of those who blindly vote DEM have fun as the city implodes around you. Soon you will be the only ones left.

I believe that Toledo can be prosperous, but only after the Unions and their former employees either move to Florida or die off. The fall of the auto industry will only hasten this.

I will bide my time, or just find somewhere better.

Ben gambled and lost. BIG. He showed that his word means nothing and its going to come back to haunt him if he decides to run for a second term as commissioner. Even Dems will use the broken promise against him.

Despite the pathetic turnout, I was pleased to see the traction Jim Moody had. Perhaps he'll consider running for commissioner. Between the traction he had in the city and the republicans in the county, he might have a decent shot. It certainly appears that The Stain won't interfere.

Speaking of The Stain, I think it's becoming more and more apparent that his takeover of the LCGOP was a plot by JRB and the Blah. What did he do to support or promote Republican candidates in the primary?

and his sad, weak-kneed performance against the porch heckler lowered his standing as well.

I agree that Moody might do well in a county election. There wouldn't be the bickering about his residency. (Even if he "moves" back to Sylvania, its still Lucas County.) He could build upon the support he had in the city, and also get additional support from residents of the 'burbs.

If nothing else, it would be refreshing to get some new faces in local politics. Hope he doesn't give up.

I was so hopeful for a change in the attitude of Toledo voters.
What a disappointment...yet not surprising given the history of voting apathy here.

I felt a bit weary this morning after seeing the turnout and the results.

First of all, I did hope to see some of the newer voices running for council up in top six. And while I figured we had a Wilkowski v Bell mayoral race, I had hoped to see more people voting, and more of them voting for other candidates.

But HistoryMilke is right. This is JUST a primary, and people do have the mentality that this doesn't matter.
Why? I don't know...

Obviously people in this town are content to let other people choose who is on the ticket, but that doesn't mean the fight for some sort of change is over.
Those of us who want to see city council better represent our interests can work hard to support and campaign for Stamos, Lyons, and Milliken so that they do finish up in the top six.

All-in-all, Moody and Collins had decent numbers, but they paled in comparison to those with name recognition. And that is what it is-- this weekend at the St. Clement festival, I asked some Wilkowski supporters just what he stood for. I got answers like "He's not Carty." and "he has good ideas for bringing jobs to Toledo." What are those ideas? I asked..."I dunno..." They recognize his name, see his ads and signs, and think that they know him.

I quizzed a number of Bell supporters, who don't know a damn thing about platform other than they know he'll support police and fire. Interestingly, these folks always seem to have to squeeze in how "good looking" they think he is. One called him " hot chocolate." They don't know what he stands for anymore than many on the Wilkowski gang knows their leader.

I was not suprised by the low voter turnout. Voter apathy is terrible in Toledo.

It is sad that it appears that Toledo will not change, but will be just more of the same.

I believe that Stephen Ward will run again for political office possibly for a district seat, or perhaps serve in another capacity, but I think this is only the beginning for this young man.

To run a no-donation campaign, no party backing...he still came in 14th with over 3,000 votes on his first try. That in itself is remarkable. I was able to see him campaigning at one of the polls, and he was working hard.

Then he had an election results party at Fricker's downtown, and when it was all said and done, everyone in Fricker's was pulling for him. I noticed that even Chip Collis was there with him. Chip Collis worked for the Obama camp on a national level, and later for Mike Bell.

At any rate what the media did not report is that Stephen made it a point to contact both parties and congratulate the winners. He displayed total class last night.

'Voter apathy is terrible in Toledo'.

Apathy is not limited to Toledo, especially during primaries. I'd be interested in turnout percentages of other cities in the state and the region from yesterday.

My guess is Toledo's turnout mirrors those of similar and larger-sized cities.

Keith Wilkowski will get elected which will lead to a race riot in North Toledo. The race riot will include residents destroying their own neighborhoods...then the neo-nazi's will come back and fight with the rioters when lo and behold Mike Bell will show up shouting "Peace! Peace!" Then, all of Toledo will realize it should have elected Bell in the first place and we will recall Keith and make Bell our new mayor. Barak Obama will then come to Toledo to be present at Bell's accepting of the posititon. Tommy Morrisey will have a barbecue with all the petitions and CNN will cover it all as breaking news. Then, Bell and Jimmy Jackson will save the city by opening up businesses throughout the city and blacks and neo nazis alike will dine together in peace while conservatives shake their heads in disbelief. Finally, as an act of kindness...Mike Bell will allow Opal Covey to build her amusement park downtown...and everyone will realize that the idea wasn't any crazier than building a new arena for a subpar hockey and arena football team. Bell, Barak and Opal will stand atop the clear channel building and claim victory for Toledo!

apparently the people of Toledo have spoken. All is well in the city, all incumbents are doing a stellar job for the citizens and Democrat Mayors are the only party that can help our city soar to it's full potential.
We are not in debt, we have no crime and all elected officials are doing what is best for the tax payer.

How silly of people to even think about running against the Kings and Queens.

Silly new and unknown candidates, what the heck were you all thinking???

I hope it's to rename Toledo, Flint. That way anyone passing through is fully warned.

MikeyA

I believe we SHOULD be on the look out for something along the lines of carty's last act as mayor.

His ego will demand a legacy, so look for something that'll make people remember him. Taxpayer dollars and deficit be damned.

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