Other Side Of YMCA Story

Robert Alexander and Paul Schlatter from the YMCA/JCC were my guests yesterday and spoke for an hour on the Blade manufactured controversy over the closing of the South YMCA branch. Enjoy http://www.wspd.com/pages/fredstop10.html

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to make that big money at the Y. And for Alexander to flaunt his 'Christianity' in front of the neighborhood group . http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090822/NEWS16/908220398

So exactly how much money should a Christian make? Those that make more than you think should shy away from Christian principles? or just from telling others what they are?

Lulu

It is ridiculus that the Blade is persecuting the Y and the Y leadership. This is simply one more case of a small town media organization carrying it's own agenda forward, and having the ability to do so because they are the only major newpaper. Toledo has a lot of real problems, and it is a shame that so much time and effort is wasted over trivialities. We have some of the highest unemployment in the nation, our public schools have serious problems in every direction you look, our home values just might be better than Detroit (?), we are not attracting new business, our political situation is a major joke, I am sure there are many other siuations that I have not listed that need immediate attention. I have been a Toledo resident for more than 55 years, I know that we have great leaders with the ability to look at the big picture and develop strategies to actually help our area. I am specifically NOT talking about any current politicians or candidates, or news agencies, but rather the people who are in business and know how to make things work, not people who live off the public through public sector jobs. I am also not talking about people who form small special interest groups just to get in the news and sway opinion toward their limited special interests. The agenda needs to be moving Toledo forward, not pandering to special interests. Let's not waste a good crisis, now is the time to move forward. Or we can amuse ourselves with th Y story or the endless entertainment provided by Ben K. stories. But in the end we might just end up saying "what in the heck happened to our town."

'Or we can amuse ourselves with th Y story or the endless entertainment provided by Ben K. stories'

Takes two--at least two--to tango. The 'Ben K stories' are largely being perpetuated and advanced by those who usually play foil to the Blade.

Both sides need each other, of course, since controversy, pot-stirring, and mud-slinging benefit all parties involved...papers to sell, arbitron ratings to jack up.

And let's not forget all the local blog/discussion boards, like the one we're on right now, whose owners have a stake--albeit much smaller ones by comparison--in all the ruckus.

Good 'ol Toledo--the hits just keep on comin'.

Alexander's stunt at the press conference was the last straw...my family and I will be quiting the Y after many years. Very sad...

An outrage to make that much money? How much money should they make, and who gets to decide? Well the answer to that question is the Board of Directores gets to decide and they have for the last 20 years. They've decided that Robert and his family have performed their duties beyond expectations and deserve the salaries they receive. Now people not on the board and not in a position to know will respond emotionally with the same outrage cogitate does. He sees someone making way more than he does at a job he believes he could do better. Why else would he respond in such a way without the facts?
As for quitting the Y that's a decision that can only be made individually. However when taking in the facts regarding the growth of the Y over the last 20 years and the incredible 300,000 plus people they serve each year it seems childish to deny yourself something you enjoy simply because you're mad at someone's behavior. I certainly wouldn't stop going to the movies just because some of the liberals in Hollywood annoy me and make huge salaries, I'm not going to stop watching football just because the salaries are high and certain players behavior is outrageous....but that's just me.
20 years ago when Alexander took over the South Y was recommended for closing. He kept it open and afloat for all these years. Now the "activists" in the neighborhood given a chance to save it with the Y's help refuse to do so. Instead they follow the Blade mantra of let's see the credit card report etc etc. What is the plan Suter has for the Y? What is his background in financials and in business management?
They Y took out a full page ad in this week's Toledo Free Press to promote the drive, how many phone calls has Suter made to friends and family to ask them to become members?
As a member of the Y and as someone who has donated to the scholarship program I will continue to support Robert and the Board's decision.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

When WSPD does an exclusive interview you know two things:
One: it (WSPD) gets a ratings boost.
Two: the interviewee has something to hide.
The hour long interview of Mr Alexander reminds me of the Tom& Bernadette Noe interviews by then WSPD talk show host Denny Schaffer. The questions seemed rehearsed and if I remember correctly no listener input. We all know that Toe is spending time behind bars while many of his Republican accomplices paid a small fine and are working in local government and as a talk show host for WSPD.
Mr Alexander professes his Christianity but lives a lavish life of opulence while his not-for-profit YMCA cuts service for a truly needy segment of Toledo. The question of full disclosure of travel and credit card expenses was lightly touched on in the interview but not pursued in any great depth. A truly puff piece by WSPD to boost ratings and encourage the anti Toledo crowd to tune in, furthering its agenda of fooling the public for Clear Channel ratings. If anything it raised my suspicion of credit card and travel expenditures by the (YMCA) Family.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

I just hope it worked. The higher the ratings, the bigger the bonus. The bigger the bonus the more lavish my opulent lifestyle. Perhaps you can point out the services being cut by the Y since there aren't any being cut. All services currently available will still be available just in a different location and when Cedar Creek takes the building if that happens the child care will move back there also. Mr Suter has the ball in his court and he appears not to be able to handle it. Maggie no longer works here so you'll have to find your Noe references elsewhere, and Schaffer has been gone for at least three years.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Fred you old dog! You again avoided the question about credit card and travel expenses. Why is this so hard to provide? Just make public the Ys accounting of these expenses and much of this opposition will go away if there is nothing to hide. Too many in public life think that they need to live a certain way while their constituents suffer. Why do they, if Christians, feel that they should command the highest pay for what they do? Fred you always beat up the lowly union worker trying to make a living wage but this over paid bureaucrat can take advantage of a non-profit? Your always saying that the city workers need pay cuts that, "why should I pay for their pensions." Auto workers are over paid yada, yada, yada! Come on Fred what are you bipolar?

Fred quote on the YMCA president:

"An outrage to make that much money? How much money should they make, and who gets to decide?"

Exactly Fred so shut up about TPS, UAW, and any other worker that makes a living wage!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

I'll use small words wolfmeister. City workers, politicians etc. are paid with my tax dollars. I have a right to complain and demand a proper accounting of those dollars and a representative government to keep those costs in check. I have no problem with UAW workers or other union members in the PRIVATE sector making as much as they can. But I also have to right to point out that when they do they face the consequences of jobs going overseas and plants turning to automation to cut down on costs.
The Y has turned over all documents that legally they are required to turn over. Their files with the Feds, State, and City are open to the public. They have received awards from the BBB and Lodestar. This sounds more like some Soviet style witch hunt for information than anything else. I can't imagine anyone on this board giving up the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty, and as far as I know we don't assume someone is guilty or has "something to hide" just because they fail to cooperate with the newspaper. If it's there wolfmeister please explain the compelling legal reason for the Y to turn over it's credit card records to the Blade or the group of activists.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

So you trust the government to blow the whistle on malfeasance....come on Fred get real. I ask you what is the definition of "IS"? Government rules of acceptable expenditures are not the same as a Christian moral acceptable expenditure. You can't tell me this group are not money oriented. I've seen a lot in my lifetime and one thing I know is show me the record. Don't give me some song and dance of why you or they think I should trust them that's BS. I just think there is smoke here too many obstacles in the way of the truth. Why hide it?

Oh by the way Fred, Bernie Madoff was turned in to the SEC (government) by many in the same industry. Yet he was still allowed to swindle for more than ten years without any government oversight.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090823/NEWS16/90...

about the moving of the gymnastics operation from S. Toledo to P-burg was balanced.

It pointed out that about 80% of the gymnastics participants lived outside the south-end location, had a nice interview with the Perrysburg girl, evidently a future star, who will be closer now to her training facilities. It plugs the open house at the new facility, giving the date, times and location.

It also pointed out taking the gymnastics program away from the South location means it'll be harder to fulfill the new signup-figure requirement there; it's taking away a popular program. That's gotta be said, too, right?

I can have no respect for Alexander at all. He is trying to make it impossible to get the 500 new members. I was thinking of joining again, but I don't want to join and then have them close the South branch which is next door . I would not go to any other branch. I don't usually agree with the Blade, but in this case I agree with them 100 percent.

deere1

Oh mcaskey, that's too funny. The gymnastics program is filled with people from outside the South Y's neighborhood so how popular is it really to those people and how much of an effect would it have on new memberships? The new facility which I've seen is larger, better lit, built specifically for gymnastics and will accomodate a bigger group of participants. If the 80% of participants can travel to the South Y why couldn't the 20% travel to the new location?

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

you wouldn't have bothered quoting Cooper Sutor about the effects, in his opinion, on gymnastics program vacating the South Y for Perrysburg?

The point, Fredo, is there was a semblance of balance to the story. Maybe you're not used to balance.

The Blade reporter, on his own without quoting anyone from the Y, used adjectives like 'spacious', 'air conditioned' in describing the new gymnastics facility. As I already pointed out, the story mentions how 80% of the gymnasts live outside the South Y area and the Perrysburg star can now 'ride her bike' to the new practice site.

Long story short, this is basically an article, in language and tone, from a pro-Y standpoint, except I guess to those who object to a quote from the other side of the aisle.

Typical graph:

'The young gymnasts and parents doing the moving seemed excited by the prospect of bigger training space at the Sports Zone complex, which Ms. Koenig said was designed for gymnastics.
By comparison, the gymnastic area in the South Toledo Y was gradually carved from a gymnasium, swimming pool, and two equipment rooms.'

Is this not enough for you, Fredo?

Not enough after three weeks of slanted and biased stories, no. But thanks for asking.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

your Alexander interview Fredo, but I assume you pinned him down hard on the question of how the media's coverage of the South Y closing was 'endangering children swimming in Y pools.' And of course how he's a 'good Christian', yada, yada, and how that's got anything to do with all this.

I know you're always concerned about 'bias', especially in your own work and those you work for.

I laugh at the hipocracy on here.

The Y is short on members. They will move because of it. This can be circumvented by more people becoming members.

However, I keep seeing people on here say they will cancel their membership because of the leadership. LOL

Go ahead cancel your membership. I have no problem with that. Just don't whine when it's closed.

MikeyA

Did I whine about it closing? I'm not happy about it, but it wasn't my branch. Alexander is a nut job and I'm not going give him my hard earned dollars...

I called to cancel my membership today, but I was told I have to do it in person, I guess it will have to wait till tomorrow.

BTW - The Y selling South End Y memberships only for $50 is rip off. With my corporate discount I only pay $57 and I can go to any YMCA. Or as of tomorrow...could have gone.

Paying a membership for the YMCA is not giving money to Alexander., but to an organization that does wonderful things in your community...who's the nut job?

Lulu

an organization that does wonderful things in your community

They're going great by South Toledo...

If my membership dues don't help pay Alexander's salary, where does the money come from? Alexander will be out soon enough and maybe I'll go back. In the mean time it looks like the kids will be doing swim lessons over at St. James.

who's the nut job?
Alexander...watch the video, very sad and unprofessional.

is the community doing right by the YMCA? I doubt it.

I grew up in South Toledo and used to be a member of the Y in question. As far as the Y is concerned it was a bright spot in a heavily declining area. I watched very close friends buy homes in the immediate Harvard area just to watch them wise up and move to P-burg. These were some of the closest and biggest supporters of the Y.

The whole argument comes down to one point. Is the membership of the South Y declining? If it is then the move is justified.

Knowing what I know of the area I am inclinded to believe that the answer is the membership is declining.

MikeyA

I am also a Y member and I know enough to know that my memebership also goes, to: the girl at the front desk when I walk in, and the lifeguards that are keeping children safe, the fitness people who help others to maximize their activities....the list goes on.

Would you not go to a hospital because the guys at the top make big bucks? They do I've heard!

The Y must be doing some wonderful things in South Toledo or they wouldn't be upset with it's closing.

You see a "nut job" when you watch the video. I see a man passionate about his people and organization that have been villified in the media.

Lulu

we love the pool, workout facilities somewhat outdated but still functional, my son and I go there and shoot hoops when court-time not taken up by league play.

I think it's a pretty fair deal for the buck and we aren't leaving.

After all, I don't want to be party to a situation that 'endangers kids swimming in YMCA pools.'

What really is going on with the YMCA? Is it yet another manufactured story by the Blade? We've all seen them and recognize these kinds of stories for what there worth, bunk! I'm one person who is glad to see Alexander and the YMCA sticking up for themselves and their organization. If only we had more people and companies that were willing to do this. The YMCA is a great organization that has helped hundreds in this community!

Lulu

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