Ahhhh, I remember the Fair from childhood - greasy food, rickety rides, carnies calling for you to win cheap stuffed animals at their game booths. . . and I was so excited to share the experience with my own children this evening. And, for the most part, the fair was just as I remembered - but for the fact that I was nearly assaulted as my family and I were leaving.
Let me set up the scene for you: My husband was pushing the stroller carrying our almost-three year old daughter, while I was following carrying our eight week old daughter in a carrier strapped to my chest. We were leaving the fair via the busiest route (what I would call a midway, but I'm not sure that's the correct term here), and if anyone has attended such a function, you know that there is a lot of shared personal space amongst strangers. As I walked by a line of people, minding my own business, I was elbowed and shoved by someone - hard and purposefully. While recovering from the shove, I hear the same someone who has just shoved me yelling something in our direction. So I stop walking and turn to this person, looking at her in puzzlement as to what I did to deserve this physical and verbal assault.
This woman (I might note, also in control of a stroller carrying a toddler) was, apparently, upset because she believed that as my husband passed her with our stroller, he ran over her foot. Evidently, the shove was not meant for me (nor for my eight week old daughter), but for my husband (remember, he was pushing a three year old in a stroller). Now, let me say that this sequence of events was not conveyed to my husband and I in a calm tone, nor were there any four-letter words spared by this woman. This also brings me to the point in the story where I must share with you that the woman, who felt so slighted by my husband that she felt the need to try to physically assault him, was African-American. The reason I have to disclose this fact now is that this is where our differing races begin to play a factor in the exchange (yes, as if being shoved and yelled at while carrying a tiny baby wasn't enough, the most disturbing part is yet to come). At the end of this woman's rant about my husband running over her foot with our stroller, I am called a "white b*tch". And as I turn from the confrontation to leave - because I am, frankly, stunned at this woman's words and know nothing else to do or say - that moniker is repeated (loudly) by this woman several more times at my retreating figure. . . in front of other men, women, and sadly, children.
Now I sit here, hours later, and the exchange and (reverse-) racial slur is gnawing at my craw (as my white, red-necked grandfather used to say). I guess several questions have run through my mind - none of which I will get the answer to. . . .
Why did this woman instantly jump to the conclusion that my husband ran over her foot when there were about 20 other people of all colors, shapes, and sizes, pushing their children in strollers in the same direction as us? If she thought it were an hispanic person who ran over her foot would she have found some way to malign them with a slur? What if it had been a fellow African-American?
Why was this woman's instinct to lash out - not only verbally, but physically. And did she think that she'd win a physical confrontation with someone who is 6'5" and 250 pounds? Not that my husband would engage is such behavior as assaulting a female, but really, if you can't win the fight, why pick one?? What was the actual point of her confronting us? Did she think it would solve anything or get her an apology? Did she think making a scene would make us look bad and her look favorable? Did she feel at all bad about missing her targeted victim and hitting two innocent people?
And why, oh why, was there a need for her to finish her assault by not only calling me a "b*tch" (which is insult enough to any woman), but to add that specific adjective? Why not "fat b*tch", or "ugly b*tch"? Why did the word "white" fly out of her mouth (not once, but several times) with such venom?
I guess I'm naiive - I just thought that at a family-friendly locale like the County Fair, we'd be safe from any kind of assault - physical, verbal, or racial. I guess I can now say that the Fair ain't exactly as I remembered it to be - but the funnel cakes are still spectacular.
Guess this must be what somebody was referring to in another thread-possibly on TT-that they would no longer go to the LC fair because of possible attacks in the parking area. Person said they stopped going there and would only attend the Wood County fair from now on.
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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'
I prefer the Fulton Count Fair. Between the thugs, gangsters infiltration coupled with the unsavory carny's, I am unsure of my safety at the LCF. The last time I attended wasn't pretty and vowed never to return.
I guess things haven't changed much over at the 'Ol Fairgrounds!
If man has no tea in him, he is incapable of understanding truth. ~Japanese Proverb
perspective . If this was reversed , hate crime charges would be filed against this woman. Read my next post about my friend getting sucker punched by 4 young people
Northwest Ohio is the most racist areas I have ever lived in. I have lived in D.C., Philedelphia, New York, Worthington Ohio, Atlanta and a few other places. Racism broods on all fronts. It's not just black against white or white against black, but it's also ethnic against ethnic, religion against religion, etc. I remember when a white kid wanted to play on an all black football team in Toledo and his parents forbid him. He played anyway and shared in the teams city title. As a matter of fact he revcieved an award for being the most improved player, voted on by the players and coaches. Let's not forget the Mother's Day Brawl at the Golden Coral a couple years ago. A white female attacked a black woman's child and when the black woman protected her child she was arrested. The white female's grandmother even threatened the black female with a knife, but no charges were ever brought against the white female or the grandmother. A black war vetern returned home and proudly wore his uniform and medals around town. That night authorities found his body hung from a tree and his medals torn from his uniform. A racist organization also left a message with the body," N's beware!". We can go on and on about racial prejudice, profiling, etc. I don't know how to erase the hate. Do you?
Northwest Ohio is the most racist areas I have ever lived in. I have lived in D.C., Philedelphia, New York, Worthington Ohio, Atlanta and a few other places. Racism broods on all fronts. It's not just black against white or white against black, but it's also ethnic against ethnic, religion against religion, etc. I remember when a white kid wanted to play on an all black football team in Toledo and his parents forbid him. He played anyway and shared in the teams city title. As a matter of fact he revcieved an award for being the most improved player, voted on by the players and coaches. Let's not forget the Mother's Day Brawl at the Golden Coral a couple years ago. A white female attacked a black woman's child and when the black woman protected her child she was arrested. The white female's grandmother even threatened the black female with a knife, but no charges were ever brought against the white female or the grandmother. A black war vetern returned home and proudly wore his uniform and medals around town. That night authorities found his body hung from a tree and his medals torn from his uniform. A racist organization also left a message with the body," N's beware!". We can go on and on about racial prejudice, profiling, etc. I don't know how to erase the hate. Do you?
As I recall, no one "attacked" a child. The child was screaming and crying loudly and for quite a while. She complained about the screaming child but was ignored. The woman told the child to "shut up" then.
Not exactaly what you could call an attack.
Instead of trying to quiet her child, or taking them outside to calm him/her down she attacked the woman who was tired of having her Mother's day meal disrupted by a screaming child.
is wrong. How refreshing would it be that people like yourself actually respected one another.
If an adult approaches a child of mine and screams in their ear from less than a foot away I am not going to wait until I find my child's dead, limp body laying in a pool of blood before I take action to protect my child. The woman at the Golden Coral screamed at the child because she knew if she invaded the mother's space, the mother would demolish her. So she picked on the helpless. What she didn't understand was that the mother (the lioness) would take the incident as a threat. Just approach a lion cub or a bear cub when the mother is nearby and see what happens. There are many of us who feel that we are entitled to supervise those of us who are different than we are. The woman who threatened the child found out her feelings of entitlement weren't welcome.
This reminds of the incident with the Deacons of Defense during the 1960's. A group of fathers went to their childs' school to protect them from the Klan. When the Klan and the police showed up the police wanted to disarm the fathers, but weren't going to disarm the Klan. All the Klan had to do was not to threaten the children in the first place or go home when the Deacons of Defense asked them to. According to some people's logic the fathers should have waited until the Klan lynched a few kids before they reacted. I personnaly feel that everyone in the Golden Coral incident over reacted. The mother of the child should have been arrested, but the woman who screamed in the child's ear should have been arrested for child abuse and assault.
What happened at the Golden Corral was the result of one woman deciding that no one was going to tell her how to behave, no matter what. Her child was just fine and could scream all it wanted. Other people didn't see things the same way. There was no threat to the child and no invasion of space, as you suggest.
From Joe Glotz: Just approach a lion cub or a bear cub when the mother is nearby and see what happens.
The same thing that will happen with a chimpanzee, an orangutan or a baboon.
Evidently the jury didn't think Harris's behavior was acceptable, because she was found guilty and sent to the slammer for six months. From The Blade:Ms. Harris, 24, was sentenced to serve six months in jail for her role in a melee at the Golden Corral Restaurant I gather that a part of her sentence included anger management, probation and community service. She's also being sued by the people she attacked. But Harris sure showed them that they messed with the wrong woman that day, right Joe?
Note that neither Christine Lewandowski nor her mother were arrested or charged with anything.
From Joe Glotz: This reminds of the incident with the Deacons of Defense during the 1960's.
Would you mind citing a reputable source for this incident?
Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack
The reports/witnesses say that the woman who was attacked repeatedly asked the Mother of the screaming child to take care of the kid. Other witnesses said that there were other children with that group running wild in the restaurant.
The child wasn't threatened. The child was told to shut up.
That's not a threat, it's a request.
If the mother of the screaming child had been doing her job she would have been taking steps to control/quiet her child(ren).
Instead of being embarrassed by the way she allowed her kids to act, she chose to inflict her children on the rest of the people trying to enjoy their meals and when someone reacted instead of taking care of her child(ren) she chose to attack two women one of them an elderly woman who ended up hospitalized.
In one day she taught her children two lessons.
1) They don't have to behave in a civilized way. They can run amok and act like animals in public, and 2) If someone objects to their behavior then they should be attacked.
Instead of being admitting her error and fault she cries racisim.
A few years ago my friend and I were at the park with my son and my friends two grandchildren. Her granddaughter (3 years old at the time) was nearly pushed off the top of the slide (the big wooden playset at SwanCreek park) by another child who looked to be at least 6 or 7 years old.
This wasn't an accidental bump while playing but an obvious shove of the little girl
My friend yelled at the other child to stop pushing her granddaughter. She didn't use profanity or call the kid names. Just told him loudly to stop pushing the baby and to get away from her.
He ran off to momma and it wasn't long before a large black woman was heading our way screaming at my friend for daring to speak to her child, not even listening when my friend tried to explain why and what she said. Obviously the kid had failed to tell his Mom about nearly shoving a little girl off the playset, or maybe she didn't care.
She finished her tirade by calling my friend a "racist white bitch"; despite the obvious mixed parentage of the little girl.
Even if she hadn't been mixed. My friends action didn't have diddly squat to do with the kids color, it had to do with his aggressive behavior towards a smaller child. He could have been white a snow and she would have said/done the same thing.
It wasn't about race but that mother made it one, in her own mind at least.
Yes racisim still exhists, but blacks just as responsible for dishing it out.
Like many have said, Toledo is one of the most racist towns they have ever lived in. And, you are right. Racism is dished out from all groups. I once told aan African American woman she was a racist because of what she was saying. She became angry at me and told me that she wasn't racist because she is an African American and African Americans can't be racist by definition. This woman does not speak to me to this day and shuns me every chance she gets. Racists come in all races and colors. Somehow all of us have to understand we have this destructive sickness so we can start to cure ourselves.
"African American"
I think that's part of the problem.
If you were not born in Africa then you're just an American.
I feel the same thing about any other of the people living here who feel the need to hyphenate.
I worked with several African-Americans. They were born there and moved here and obtained American citizenship..
Its fine and dandy to be proud of your heritage but I think we need to remember that this is a melting pot.. we're Americans. Pure and simple.
...after the 2000 census, I started demanding that people refer to me as Europeon-American.
After all, the other minorities have their own cute hyphenated descriptors on the Census form.
On the Census form, I noticed:
1) Hispanic-American
2) African-American
3) Native-American
4) Asian-American
5) Caucasian (not of hispanic decent)
So, as of 2000, I demanded to be classified as Europeon-American.
Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a socialist.
The people listed above didn't give themselves the classifications. Us white citizens decided to classify anyone who wasn't white. There is a classification listed above for you. "Caucasian" Write your congress person to have it changed.
I did a search for the origin of the term "African-American" and came across this.
Doesn't look it was the European American who came up with that one.
The term "African-American" also assumes that all black people in America came from Africa. I'm sure native born Jamaicans or people who were born in the UK and moved here aren't all that thrilled to be lumped into a land not of of their birth.
There's also the fact that not every real African-American is white. South Africa has many whites living there. Charlize Theron is more African-American then the majority of black americans.
German-American
Irish-American
Polish-American
Italian-American
These aren’t uncommon things to hear…
Sure they are sensor. Unless you're talking about a festival, who uses them?
No they're not but when you're filling out that census form next year or any other form where they ask for a ethnic/racial background you won't see any of those listed as choices either.
That's the difference.
My family doesnt go to any large crowd funtions in Toledo or Lucas County. They obiously need security all through the fairgrounds. That would be too costly for them. It would be too costly for me and my family to be assaulted, physically or verbally. I will keep my money in a safer environment.
Dottie
I agree with you, Joe, that the Toledo area and NW Ohio have a long way to go where race matters are concerned, but it sounds as if you are defending this woman's behavior because she is black . Doesn't violence (physical or verbal) only beget violence? Doesn't physical violence begin with a word or a phrase spoken in anger (or this case, ignorance)? I'm not sure where we all need to start when it comes to "healing" the tensions that divide us, but I do know that what she did and said set that healing back aways. What happened between us last night was not the answer.
I'm not defending her at all. Actually I feel she is totally out of line. Unfortunately, I understand the rage some people from all races feel toward another race, especially if they feel a particular race has oppressed them or their ancestors. I'm not making excuses for this woman or anyone else. I try to keep out of people's way, and, most of the time it works for me. Sometimes I can't keep out of people's way, and, when I can't, I ignore them and move on. It takes too much of my energy to deal with their issues. The energy I possess is mine and I choose to use it to do good things for myself and not waste it on some clown. If they put their hands on me or a member of my family that's a different story. I will defend myself and my family like a lioness defends her cubs. What the woman did last night wasn't the answer, but you probably can't convince her that she was wrong. You'll probably never she her again in your lifetime. Forget her and the incident. Move on and use that energy of yours for yourself. Why continue to waste it on her.
I agree with you that NW Ohio is one of the most racist places I've ever lived. And that is all around. It's all the races and all the religions and all the groups. I never quite understood why.
Aside from race I never understood why people thought they could act like the woman in the story did in front of their children. That's the real problem in my eyes and it's why we see so many incidents of out-of-control teens in Toledo. Regardless of what people like purnhrt will tell you.
As far as the LCCF. The whole thing is a rip-off. About 10 years ago they almost doubled the price and that's when I stopped going.
The rib-off was way better and more bang for the buck. Other than that go to the Wood or Fulton County fairs.
MikeyA
I think I found a woman for Gary! (or more likely, sign in name number umpteen and 1)
'why even bother posting to a thread on this site anymore with this kind of abuse Chris allows, huh?
there are other sites that regulate this kind of childish behaviour
kinda like Chris allowing his site to seep into the ghetto by using kid gloves for allowing this troll free reign over and over'
At least there are no nasty cuss words (smirk).
Swampbubles has degenerated into a site hijacked by loons and trolls. I still pop in a few times a week, but it is pointless to visit the site if every third thread is a DB-A racist rant and every other thread devolves into the insanity that is the 55 identities of He With the Many DUIs.
Chris, it is your site, but if you are cool with Gari posting about his dreams of creating a Dirty Sanchez (see below) while I am unable to use the word "p!mp" in a post, then this place has its priorities waaay out of whack.
(hoping "whack" passes the censor software)
http://historymike.blogspot.com/
Why did the stupid spam filter flag the above post? I didn't even use any links (with the exception of the homepage link in my signature)
And it is doing it again on this post.
http://historymike.blogspot.com/
Just a sad commentary that this place has turned into the second home of DB-A. Setting aside your racist luncay, you are the worst sort of guest on a site like this: someone who hijacks every post around a few select issues (birtherism and your so-called "plain truth" of YOUR understanding of Christianity) and someone who floods the board with the same post-level messages over and over again.
Oh, and someone who uses the site simply to p!mp his other sites. You contribute nothing to the SB community, and your sole purpose here is to stir up trouble and promote your bizarre political and religious ideologies.
You are truly a sad little man, and I hope that you one day find peace, David.
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At least gary knows he's in the wrong. That's why he posts anonymously.
DBA actually believes the crap he says. We'll read about him on the news one day and it won't be pretty.
MikeyA
From HistoryMike: Swampbubles has degenerated into a site hijacked by loons and trolls.
I agree. Discussion is almost impossible because of the lunatics and trolls who self-medicate and post.
Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack
remember I predicted he'd be back in prison before the end of the summer?
Getting close, but I'd still bet it'll happen. Im also willing to bet when he posted those he was too drunk to remember he was using the wrong alias.
I think you missed a post I'd put out here about E.D and alcoholism. Maybe he's just figured what the heck - go full on woman if the man parts aint workin!
I am so sorry for what you experienced at the fair. I'm a Black female, and your description of what happened to you angers me. It was totally inappropriate for the woman to react and call you names. Hope you can forgive, release it and move forward.
On a totally separate note, I do have to comment that White Americans frequently seem to have no awareness of the personal space of Blacks. I was in line a couple of weeks ago for ice cream in Sylvania, I'm just under 6 feet tall and pretty hard to miss. The man in front of me, begins talking loudly to another caucasian woman off to his left and he nearly steps on my feet like I'm invisible. I was a good foot and half behind him, and he still kept backing up as if I was not there. This happens too frequently. Two days ago, a white driver stops in the middle of Monette's parking area and drops off a passenger and sits there, with no regard for blocking traffic or cars parked. He finally noticed my car behind him - may be he felt my eyes burning a hole through him. I just shook my head. Is this a white culture thing or what? I'd really like to know. To many blacks, we perceive that many white people think they own the world, and therefore have little to no regard for the space or existence of others, especially Black folks. Love to hear from you on this one!
Truth, Im sorry about your experiences, but please just put those instances into the "rude people" category instead of a "rude WHITE people" category.
I think it's right on the fence of racist commenting yourself. People of all colors do things like that - people of all colors illegally park in handicapped spaces, block people in with theri cars, talk too loudly on cell phones, call to one another out loud in libraries, scream at their kids in public places instead of correcting them quietlyl and privately... the list goes on and on.
To ask if it's a culture thing no matter the color is misguided.
Agreed, Billy, that idiocy and rudeness know no color boundaries.
Also, if a person starts out with faulty beliefs like "whites are oppressors" or "blacks are inferior," your mind will start cherry-picking the evidence to support such beliefs. I can't speak for the previous poster, but statements that suggest that whites have personal space issues or are selfish drivers seem to imply that the writer has some preconceived notions about what "white" is all about.
BTW - my skin gets quite dark in the summer, much darker than many lighter-skinned African Americans. Do I get to go back to Africa under David Ben-Ariel's plan? If you go by skin color, I might get a free ticket to Botswana.
http://historymike.blogspot.com/
you are not a realist, you are naive.
Why don't you move to Africa? After all you seem to have a problem with everyone here.
You could try and get "some revenge" of Barak Obama. You could run for President of Kenya.
MikeyA
you are wrong. A native born citizen is an Indian. We only came here recently. We should all go back to where we came from according to your logic. Heck many African-Americans were here longer than Whites. This country is built by those who want to make life better, not those who want to draw lines. That is what God intended. You really should not be selfish. American culture does not have a color.
DBA you are selfish and only are selecting the parts of definition that define it in your favor. It's unfair and not in the spirit of the founding fathers.
MikeyA
I'm white. I'm embarrassed by this hate machine, and I'd like everyone to know that we white folks are not all like him. I'm offering my most sincere apologies to anyone who reads crap like this and is offended.
David, start praying for forgiveness. Take your medications as directed. Stop spewing your hatred and lies all over the Internet.
Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack
Even more appalling is how David Ben-Ariel twists the Bible to support his back-to-Africa nonsense. The man is an embarrassment to Christians in addition to being a malignant white racist.
http://historymike.blogspot.com/
we are of the same DNA . YOur racism is a hoax .
YOu can t read that ? your verse from Acts is perfect, read Ken Ham from Answers in Genesis ministry.
This is not your country, David. Your country threw you out. Those of us with Native American Blood in our veins want to throw you out of the U.S., but we can't. The U.S. government protects even your twisted views.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I've seen the 'backing up without looking' scenario before, and I have yet to understand just how or why people do it. Believe me, it isn't just you. It's whomever is behind this man who may suffer.
The incident in Monette's is inconsiderate driving, no more nor less. It makes me angry when people do it to me. I tend to think it's regional behavior, as it doesn't happen in other parts of the country.
Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack
Good stories. I have a friend who went to a Hometown Buffet and was abused. After paying for the meals for he and his wife, the hostess at the Hometown Buffet seated everyone behind them for the next five mintues. When the man finally said something, the hostess asked him if there was something they needed. He told them he and his wife wanted to be seated. The hostess ignored them and continued to seat guests in line behind them. I've seen this happen myself. African Americans are many times treated as though they are invisible, even by other African Americans.
JW_1974: Because she's learned to behave this way from the time she was a child. That's why. I'm sorry this happened to you.
This kind of thing (attacking someone verbally and trying to escalate) isn't brought on by race. It's brought on by generations of poverty, violence, ignorance and a distinct lack of spiritual or moral growth. Violence is learned behavior, and worse, the alternatives aren't learned.
Walking away is likely the best thing you can do under the circumstances.
Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack
I don't understand how "generations of poverty, violence, ignorance and a distinct lack of spiritual or moral growth. Violence is learned behavior, and worse, the alternatives aren't learned" can excuse calling someone a "white b*tch".
How does "generations of poverty, violence, ignorance and a distinct lack of spiritual or moral growth" make it OK to screech racial slurrs?
And will my famiiys "generations of poverty, violence, ignorance and a distinct lack of spiritual or moral growth" make it OK for me to go out of my way to be a racist?
Please let me know. I want to be politically correct. Is it OK to be a racist white pig to a racist black pig?
Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a socialist.
From LibsCanBlowMe: I don't understand how "generations of poverty, violence, ignorance and a distinct lack of spiritual or moral growth. Violence is learned behavior, and worse, the alternatives aren't learned" can excuse calling someone a "white b*tch".
It doesn't. I'm attempting to rationalize the behavior, not excuse it. So, to make things a little clearer, viciously attacking someone by screaming insults at them for an imagined slight is not alright, no matter who does it.
It's my own fault for not being clear about that.
Is it OK to be a racist white pig to a racist black pig? You know it isn't and I know it isn't. See?
Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack
Trying to explain this kind if racism because of history is trying to make excuses for an individuals actions.
Using your rationalization, would you permit me to pillage your house and steal your possessions because I am of Asien decent and my forfathers were huns? After all, it is what my ancestors did.
Granted my ancestors did not live in America in 2009. My ancestors did not have mass media. My ancestors did not have modern inventions.
But hey! It's "in my blood" so that means you should understand why I took your flat screen TV.
Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a socialist.
This really upset me--I've been a victim of random violence and I know how shocked you must have felt and how frightened you must have been. I cannot stop thinking about the fact that you had a newborn strapped to your chest.
I think I would have sought out a security guard and had her detained...maybe even filed a police report. You were assaulted. Your child was endangered. I feel like she got away with a crime, AND she has psychologically harmed you--she has changed your future behavior .
I haven't been to the LCF in years, but unless things have changed drastically there is very little security at the fair. You'd be much better off trying to get some help from a vendor at one of the rides or booths. Carnys have to deal with stuff like this all the time, and they're good at it. They don't want fights on the midway, as it's bad for business.
From HelenWheales: I feel like she got away with a crime
She did. In a perfect world she wouldn't have committed the crime. In a perfect police world she'd have been caught on security cameras and a SWAT team would have descended on the midway and cleaned things up. Nice thought, right?
The reality is that the people involved are very likely never to see each other again. So, if you're verbally assaulted, cursed, threatened and generally abused you can either let it eat away at you and alter your life, or you can forgive your tormentor and go about your business.
Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack
Somebody forgot to mention to David Ben-Ariel that Blacks around here are American citizens like he is. They are already in their native land. ^_^
DB-A believes that God mandates blacks to live in Africa (I am not making this up). He has written that God is angry that the "races" should stay where He placed them (never mind that "race" is such a relative, murky, and useless term).
http://historymike.blogspot.com/
Who cares what they "demand"? Does that change their legal status anyway? No. Let the Liberals and racists run their mouths like the fools they really are. After all, they have freedom of speech.
P.S. Do you ever hear me call them anything but "Blacks"? No. There's a clue for you, Dave.
Most Aferican Americans have been in America longer then my families who have only been here less then 100 years.
Half of my grand parents weren't even born here and 7 of my 8 great parents weren't either, but being German/Polish with blonde hair and blue eyes makes me more American is DBA’s racist book.
I should/can add something to this conversation. Because of DBA's comments and everyone else's trouncing of his disturbed narratives, I decided to let you all fight this fight without my input.
However, I must make the observation that in most black communities it has been decided that integration as presented has been the single most cause of the downfall of the black community.
If you actually spent time on this site as a member of the community instead of simply exploiting it for self-promotion, you would know that purnhrt and I have had MANY disagreements, quite a few of which revolved around race.
I condemn and reject racism in all its forms, and the idea that I am some caricature of a bleeding heart liberal is ridiculous. However, in your myopic world view, anyone who disagrees with you must therefore fall into some easy-to-digest category, like "liberal" or "socialist."
http://historymike.blogspot.com/
to vote someone off the island.
not to get sidetracked from this vigorously intelligent and informative post, I recall having disagreements with you concerning foster care, Children Services, Mike Bell's service during the "riot," but I don't recall any disagreements that revolved around race.
This aside what does any disagreement we have had, have to do with this thread and why was I brought up in your post?
1. DB-A made the assumption that because I did not address your post, I must somehow agree with you lockstep as a "bleeding heart liberal." You were "brought up" because you posted, DB-A attacked you and me, and I pointed out that you and I are far from best pals (though we probably agree about more issues than we disagree with).
2. Race was a theme in all of our previous disagreements, though perhaps not the primary theme. You referred to Mike Bell in less-than-flattering terms because some prominent whites supported him. Race, of course, was the percolating theme behind the North Toledo riots (although plenty of whites protested the Nazis), and you have often weighed in that LCCS institutionally targets black families for some sinister purpose.
http://historymike.blogspot.com/
that you write concerning black issues do have a liberal bleeding heart leaning. Kind of patronizing in my opinion. Obviously DBA is an ill individual as far as black people are concerned but I would venture to say that there are more out there like him but pretend otherwise, he is just brave enough to speak what he actually feels. Doesn't throw a rock and hide his hand, he shows you what is in his hand, not like a lot of white people. (And black people also)
You have very often denigrated people out here for having the audacity of presuming to know what black people think and how they feel. Then you post I would venture to say that there are more out there like him but pretend otherwise...
Why not walk the walk if you're gonna talk the talk and to quote yourself, "Write about what you KNOW," Purehate, not what you venture to think.
how is this. I KNOW there are more people like DBA out there who think like he does but keep it quiet, protecting their image, especially in Toledo, Ohio. Toledo Ohio is a hotbed of hatred for the opposite race. Hence the reason for this thread!