Obama's newest pick.

Sotomayor: 'I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male'...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/15judge.html

WASHINGTON — In 2001, Sonia Sotomayor, an appeals court judge, gave a speech declaring that the ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”

Lovely. We could expect no less.

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Here is much more of the quote. She was specifically discussing the importance of judicial diversity in determining race and sex discrimination cases.

In our private conversations, Judge Cedarbaum has pointed out to me that seminal decisions in race and sex discrimination cases have come from Supreme Courts composed exclusively of white males. I agree that this is significant but I also choose to emphasize that the people who argued those cases before the Supreme Court which changed the legal landscape ultimately were largely people of color and women. I recall that Justice Thurgood Marshall, Judge Connie Baker Motley, the first black woman appointed to the federal bench, and others of the NAACP argued Brown v. Board of Education. Similarly, Justice Ginsburg, with other women attorneys, was instrumental in advocating and convincing the Court that equality of work required equality in terms and conditions of employment.

Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. Justice O'Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases. I am not so sure Justice O'Connor is the author of that line since Professor Resnik attributes that line to Supreme Court Justice Coyle. I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.

Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society. Until 1972, no Supreme Court case ever upheld the claim of a woman in a gender discrimination case. I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.

However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see.

My biggest issue with her is that she isn't nearly liberal enough. She's a bit of a let down.

"My biggest issue with her is that she isn't nearly liberal enough."

Marx wouldnt be liberal enough for you....*grin*

Her reversal rate from the USSC is 60%...and it will be higher after the USSC reverses the Ricci case on race-based employment ...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

"Her reversal rate from the USSC is 60%"

Wow, that's pretty low--since the normal rate is like 75%....she must be pretty good.

Pink Slip

Wow! 60% is very low...

For the record, I'm a liberal libertarian and a capitalist.

For the record:

Libertarians and capitalists are endangered species...

Also for the record, your stated politcal party is against the sotomayer pick:

http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarians-blast-sotomayor-pick

Libertarians blast Sotomayor pick
Obama Court nominee ruled government should discriminate based on race

WASHINGTON -- America’s third largest party Tuesday criticized President Barack Obama’s nomination of federal appeals court judge Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, citing past rulings that public employers should discriminate in hiring based on race.

“While Judge Sotomayor deserves a fair and impartial hearing, Supreme Court justices should be nominated for their thorough knowledge of and adherence to the Constitution and the rule of law,” said William Redpath, Libertarian National Committee Chairman.

“By nominating Sonia Sotomayor, Barack Obama has made it clear he prefers an activist for his personal causes over a rational interpreter of law,” said Redpath.

Sotomayor is best known for the Ricci v. DeStafano case, in which the New Haven, Conn. fire department decided it didn’t like the results of an officers promotion exam in which whites and Hispanic firefighters outperformed black firefighters. The city threw out the results of the exam, denying several firefighters promotions solely because of their race.

Also for the record:

I dont believe you....libertarians...even liberal ones...dont support racism or outright attacks on capitalism and liberty.

To paraphrase a famous quote:

I know many libertarians....you sir are no libertarian...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

That’s libertarian not Libertarian...

When have I attacked liberty? Or personal freedom? When have I ever used racist language? When have I attacked capitalism?

I believe in small government…just a different small than you.

I don’t think the government should –
• Decide what a woman can do with her body
• Be able to put people to death
• Be able to torture people
• Be able to lock people, especially American citizens, up indefinitely without trial
• Regulate marriage
• Decide what kind of sex is “ok” and with “whom”

Companies have the right and obligation to their shareholders to profit, but not at the expense of the public welfare.

You have the right to be a dick, and I’m glad to see you exercising that right today.

Being a dick is sorta a hobby for me (so I am told)....but at least you acknowledge my right to be a dick...

Ofcorse it's only people who disagree with me that ever label me a dick....so it's also kinda a badge of honor...especially when it comes from people I used to share a world view with...(as a former liberal)

ok...here comes more dickishness....allow me to demonstrate the mental gymnastics required to be a liberal...

from the top:

I don’t think the government should –
• Decide what a woman can do with her body

Meaning you support abortion...otherwise known as infanticide...the killing of the unborn....killing as in putting to death....

then you follow this up with...

• Be able to put people to death

Meaning you are against the death penalty....but yet you dont include the unborn .....it's not OK to execute a murderer...yet it's acceptible to you to execute a baby....

This serves as logic to you...in your worldview a murderer has more human worth that an innocent baby...

• Be able to torture people

Meaning Terrorists and accepting the premis that harsh interagations equate to torture....also forgeting that a fetus can feel pain and an abortion would surely fit the defintion of death by torture...

• Be able to lock people, especially American citizens, up indefinitely without trial

Yet this is what Obama AND holder have proposed..something even Bush wasnt going to do...

• Regulate marriage
• Decide what kind of sex is “ok” and with “whom”

These kinda go together.....The state didnt have to regulate marriage for a very long time...religion and society did....the regulations where first intended to curb people who tried to marry first cousins or children...extended by southern democrats to include interracial marriage...

The ideal of same sex "marriage" is an entirely modern construct...

And the states ( and most of society) have decided it's NOT ok to have sex with children....or to practice polygamy..or bigamy

So surely you favor regulations of SOME type...yes?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

John McCain (R-AZ) gave keynote speech to Latino KKK in 2004!!! Mel Martinez (R-FL) wins Latino KKK award. I can't believe we let these two racists serve in the Senate. (McCain was an obvious Latino Manchurian candidate in 2008. He would have implemented the Aztlan Plan if those damn liberals didn't stop him)

Pink Slip

MUWHAHAHAHAHA...trot out the RINO's to make your point....

Hillarious....bring out the strawmen! Pinko has some slayin to do!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

RINO"S? The question is, are they racist? That is your claim for Sotomayor, correct? The "mexican KKK" is how you described them

Pink Slip

Since you need a couple strawmen to fight against...here's why La Raza loves McCain

he's been pushing amnesty for illegals for years...even got a bill introduced in 2007

Same with Matinez.....hell...he couldnt even run for re election after that debacle...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act_of_2007

So yeah...it comes as no shock the illegal advocacy group otherwise known as La Raza loves both of them...

Got anymore?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

But are they racist? After all, this is the "mexican KKK"

Pink Slip

No...they would be (and are) illegal ass kissers...

Uncle tomaso's....

You have to be latino to be a dues paying member.....like you needed to be a white southern democrat to belong to the klan...

So pink...do you favor amnesty for illegals?

Driver's licenses for illegals?

Voting rights for illegals?

Nevermind...I can guess the answer....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Then is it really the "mexican KKK"? As you probably know, the real KKK were guilty of lynchings, murder, etc, etc.... Do you really believe that La Raza advocates or practices this type of behavior? Or is someone using hyperbole in a highly insulting way?

Pink Slip

Hyperbole?

LMAO...they advocate for ILLEGAL ALIENS.....criminals in case you need a clue...

I stand by the statement.....and I'm not alone in the observation....

I note you didnt touch the other links with a ten foot pole....

And once again...you dodge straight forward questions that are too unconfortable for you to honestly answer...

You want to wag for finger at me for calling a spade a spade...."Oh...dont insult the illegal criminals" ....so be it...it only makes you looks like an idiot...

correction...a bigger idiot...

You are the one standing up in defense of racism......yet again...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

So you're for a big intrusive government that heavily regulates society and has no problem torturing and killing people. Got it.

Can you have sex with kids? No

Can you have sex with your adult sister? No one has stopped you so far.

No..you dont "get it"...and I suspect you wont ever "get it"...

I'm for the protection of "innocent life"....

Be it a fetus... a neighbor..or my fellow Americans...

Both my younger sisters died at a young age.

One at 18 from acute pneumonia...the other at 20 in a car accident.

I miss them both dearly.

But it's ok...you had no way of knowing...just a joke to you...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Good job Sensor....two excellent points. Her out-of-context quote makes a lot more sense when you read the entire piece.

And although she was originally appointed to the bench by Bush I and has a moderate record, the GOP will paint her as some sort of left-winger. But this is what they do. Tom Delay admitted when debating, he (and others of his ilk) will automatically take the farest position on the right in order to move the debate. They of course did the same thing with the moderate Obama.

Pink Slip

If she's qualified, she should be confirmed, period.

Political Championship Wrestling- putting politics in proper perspective by presenting it as pro wrestling.

Coming in January, a political satire about the sorry state of American Politics- Jesusland vs. Progressiveville.

I agree, and so does Robert Bork-maybe.

He said qualified...

Quote:

"but you will continue to deny it and scoff"

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Here's what passes off as conservative criticism of Sotomayor:

"Putting the emphasis on the final syllable of Sotomayor is unnatural in English...and insisting on an unnatural pronunciation is something we shouldn't be giving in to." (h/t TPM)

Well, at least the right is acknowledging the final syllable this time. Not like the juvenile attempt at changing the title "Democratic" into the political epithet "Democrat" (e.g. "Democrat Party"). Is this considered progress?

Pink Slip

ABC news played a clip from 4 years ago where she said, "the court of appeals is where policy is made". She then paused and said, "I know this is on tape and I should never say that:".

The SCOTUS is only supposed to uphold the Constitution, that's all.

The one good thing is she's replacing a liberal so she can't be much worse.

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

I could try to explain it to you, but Sam Stein nails it...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/26/where-policy-is-made-soto_n_207...

She is also a member of the National Council of La Raza, a group that's promoted driver's licenses for illegal aliens, amnesty programs, and no immigration law enforcement by local and state police.

Yup, just what the SCOTUS needs.

I have just one question for the left leaning folks. If a white, male, nominee for the SCOTUS said,

"I would hope that as a white male, the richness of my experience would lead me to reach a better conclusion than a Latino female".

would you consider him racist?

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

Well Newt, please see my note above for the correct contect or just keep drinking the koolaid...

For the truly ignorant and uneducated:(meaning liberals)

http://www.nclr.org/

La Raza / The race

Also see:

http://www.aztlan.net/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztl%C3%A1n

The mexican KKK....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Wow Mexican KKK?
Sotomayor is Puerto Rican you dumb ass... then again maybe all of "them" are the same to you.

They must all look alike to Obama....cuz she's being pushed as the first LATINA nomination to the USSC...not the first chicano...

One size fits all when you are an affirmative action nomination...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

How is it a racist organization?

I took a quick glance at the web site and it looks like a group dedicated to Latino concerns.

BTW from their web site:
http://www.nclr.org/section/translation/

Many people incorrectly translate our name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.” Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.

The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.

**snark** Wow, just like the KKK **snark**

Watching the wing nuts scitzofrantic opposition to Sotomayor has been too funny. No sooner does the Rush or Newt say something on the TV and his little parrots run back here to post it up.

“She’s a racist”…accept that she isn’t.

“She thinks the judicial branch makes policy”… it does all the time.

“She has been over turn too many times by the SCOTUS too many times”, except that she hasn’t.

I almost makes Rush worth listening too, to see how fast it goes from his mouth to this forum.

Rush follows...he doesnt lead....everything he talks about has most times allready been discussed for the prior 21 hours...

And yes...she's a member of a racist organisation IE: La Raza aka "The race"

She's simply a hispanic David Duke...and you clearly support her...therefore..you are supporting a racist...but you will continue to deny it and scoff...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090529/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_sotomayor

White House: Sotomayor says she chose word poorly

By BEN FELLER, Associated Press Writer Ben Feller,

WASHINGTON – In a bit damage control, the White House on Friday said Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor acknowledges she chose her words poorly by saying in 2001 that a female Hispanic judge would often reach a "better" conclusion than a white male judge. "I think if she had the speech to do all over again, I think she'd change that word," presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters.

The quote in question from Sotomayor has emerged as a rallying call for conservative critics who fear she will offer opinions from the bench based less on the rule of law and more on her life experience, ethnicity and gender. That debate is likely to play a central role in her Senate confirmation process.

The new episode also underscores the scrutiny that Sotomayor's words will receive — and how the White House will respond to try to stay on message.

The comment came in a lecture, titled "A Latina Judge's Voice," that Sotomayor gave in 2001 at the law school of the University of California, Berkeley.

She said: "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life." That came in the context of her saying that "our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging."

Since Tuesday, when President Barack Obama announced Sotomayor's nomination, the White House had answered questions about Sotomayor's comment by telling reporters to read the speech and not dwell on one sentence.

That changed on Friday, when Gibbs was asked about it again. The White House clearly had a new message.

"I've not talked specifically with her about this, but I think she'd say that her word choice in 2001 was poor," Gibbs said at the end of his daily briefing.

More at above link:

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

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A friend told me last night that they saw somewhere on tv that she gave the finger to somebody. Is that true? Or just horseshit?

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

OGM! The the horror! Next thing you'll know she be telling someone to F-off on the senate floor!

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well, I guess That's what I deserved for thinking I could ask a serious question here.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

Didnt hear that...But I presume you mean while presiding over a court room...rather than driving in traffic...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

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