This could only happen in Toledo

The SwampBubble Swamp/Neighborhood

Because a neighbor does not like/respect another neighbor is it necessary to form a gang to handle the problem that the neighbor is supposedly creating? Can you really oust a neighbor by going by their house and calling them and their family names? The SwampBubble neighbors have a habit of hijacking a thread and attacking, whenever there is not an agreement. The neighbor who does not cut the grass or is different is usually the neighbor who is attacked.

I believe this is indicative of Toledo behavior - attack the messenger so that you don’t hear the message. Toledo justice.

The Trevor Casey story paints an ugly picture of Toledo, a picture that won’t soon go away. That is a fact. The picture in my brain of this child reminds me of the first time I saw a picture of Emmit Till, I was 13 years old. That picture is forever embedded in my brain over 50 years later.

My outrage over this child’s assault is that there is no outrage. Only a few people have spoken out against this injustice. One of those people is a 20 year old young man who has nothing to gain by bringing this crime to the attention of Toledo, if indeed he did. This young man is legally blind, has albinism and a big mouth. When you can’t see other senses take over. While this young man and I have been estranged, I am proud that he took the stand that he did, when the NAACP, the Urban League and others have made no public statement denouncing the two officers, the Mayor and Chief Navarre. Hopefully, by the placing of the video on UTube, justice will prevail inside Toledo by going outside of Toledo, Ohio.

Another person who is outraged is Pastor Steven Ward. He and I have not always seen eye to eye but he has done what I would have done, although I have nothing to lose. Pastor Ward put his political career in jeopardy by taking up this cause. In any other city this would be a trump card to take up this cause. In Toledo because of the biased reporting of the media Pastor Ward’s candidacy is now in jeopardy because he stood up for this family. When is it wrong to stand up for right?

I am not involved with this case, have no inside information, do not know the family and have given the 20 year old young man no advice. This thread will address the way in which SB posters attacked one person to get at another and it is not about the Trevor Casey story.

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you are right you did not say anything negative about my son, but you knew what you were doing. You wanted to start some stuff, which you were sucessful in doing. If you were really interested in knowing if the young man is my son you would have conracted my personally through e-mail.

She asked a simple question, to which I responded. Sarah had nothing to do with Tyree's MySpace and BlackNation webpages being quoted.

If Tyree wants to be a public relations expert, he'd better get used to public scrutiny. HE put HIMSELF in the public eye, not anyone on Swampbubbles. Perhaps he should polish up his MySpace, Facebook, LinkedIn, and BlackNation pages if he wants to look more professional. He links to them as MECA 360 corporate pages, and he puts himself out in the public eye as a public relations expert.

And yes: there are indeed two separate issues here: the purported violence meted out to Trevor Casey, and also the lawyers, publicists, and political candidates jumping in front of the cameras and microphones.

Also, show me where I "attacked" you. The only mention I made of you was to validate Sarah's question. At no other point did I even mentioned you, even though you tried several times to rekindle your earlier flame war with me.

As far as the other posters andtheir comments to you: if you want respect, better give it out in return. You routinely belittle, mock, and insult the other posters, and then whine about how they "attack" you. Maybe you should take a deep breath before you post, purnhrt, and then you might not post such inflammatory comments.

"You routinely belittle, mock, and insult the other posters, and then whine about how they "attack" you."

Mr pot vs Mrs kettle....this should be good...

*grabs popcorn*

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

this should be good

You have no idea.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

*passes jack some popcorn*

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Wow,

I don't get into these online blogging sites to often nor am I an active memeber on BlackPlanet not to sure what BlackNation is.....I'm sure you mad a mistake....don't we all

Okay. I am a 20 year old young man. I have alot of powerful role models in my everyday life both male and females, some in higer places then other meaning on a local to a national level.

Why don't I see you guys aren't praising, thanking or conmending me for at least taking a stand, for what I think was the right thing to do whether you agree with me or not?

We don't you say , that young man is trying to help get justice, whether you think the 14 year old was wrong or right.

Often times we hear some many stories in Toeldo alone of youth (my peers) and adults commiting sesneless crimes steming from robbery, crimes against persons, gang releted , or selling drugs on the corner. But NO when you have a YOUNG , EDUCATED, POSITIVE, AFRICAN AMERCIAN MALE doing something that is helping someone why would you want to knock what i am doing? Maybe that's just another way to keep people like me down. After all you know that won't happen, not being the son of Twila Page, she didn't raise a weak person.

[This is not a black or white matter, so don;t twist this statmentm I was just stating in the urban community, we have far to many of teens my age doing things we have no business doing verses standing up for our own beliefs or causes]

It's a same that fred from WSPD, and all these other bloggers try to cast down on me.

By the way what's really wrong with being a
CEO of a Corp?
Being a Entertainment Lawyer?
Owning my own businesses?

By the way I am not a rapper or producer as one of you reported......lols ztalk about being an expert, to be an expert you must only report facts.So it's safe to say you judged me based off the music stuff uou saw off my myspace, let's ry to use better judgement or just ask me,

Even if I was a rapper, producer, or the fact taht I use to work for the City of Toeldo what does it have to do with the facts of the Trevor Casey,case or with what was caught on tape? ................I'll wait

Man I love this site, Like i said being a full time student and working, I don't have the time to sit back and read all the comments, or hate mail, but I will be checking in once in a blue moon,

I am kind of upset that our own City Council Memebers,and Mayor Carleton S. Finkbeiner didn't even make a statement verbally or in writting at least acknowledging that they are aware of the situation and that they will make sure that there is a fair investigation. I have stood behind the mayor and supported him and backed him even when others casted down on him.

FRED OF WSPD has given me so much promo it's better then paying for Air - time oor ads on clear Channel, Thanks for the Promo my friend.

HistoryMike
If you were really concerned about me polishing up, you would have tried to contact me via MySpace or Linkedin and would have given me some personal advice beside trying to bash me behind my back, but yet in front of the city and the world (online)

I am sure your over 30 so for you being way over then me, it's hurtful to know that we have people like your self who don't want to see young men to be sucessful. Whether you know me personally or not. If you thought I was doing something wrong, or potentially damaging to myself or my career , it would only make perfect sense for you to brng your concerns to me directly,

Last But Not Least

Let's say Trevor Casey hit one of the officers as the media stated, by the way which is not true

Trevor Casey is a 14 year old boy, he weighs about 100-120lbs - Officers Daniels & Bills wiegh about 250+ each. You mean to tell me that one of those officers can't handle a 14 year old boy?

I have seen drunk men, big bulk guys fight police officers. I have heard stories of inmates fights CO's. and all what happened to them is they were tased or maced.

Although I would hate to say this, If infact Trevor casey assualted an officer, why wasn't he tased or maced? Clearly you could see the taser on both officers. But yet they though it was really important to chock the crap out of this young boy.

Trevor has a thin face structure to see his face all pruple and swollen made me sick to my stomach, I didn't even want to watch the entire footage, but I had to validate and confirm what i saw was real.

In my closure, I say unto you

"Don't LOOK DOWN on somone UNLESS you are looking down to LIFT THEM UP"

and

"If you don't STAND for something you will FALL ANYTHING"

Life is too short STOP being so negitivepeople!!!!!!

"I don't get into these online blogging sites to often nor am I an active memeber on BlackPlanet not to sure what BlackNation is.....I'm sure you mad a mistake....don't we all"

http://www.blackplanet.com/music/view/artist.html?page_url=tymemanagement

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

apple......fall.....far....tree

nuff said

you really need to proof read.

With all due respect ma'am, since you've tried and convicted the police officers in question already, aren't you guilty of the same thing?

Political Championship Wrestling- putting politics in proper perspective by presenting it as pro wrestling.

Coming in January, a political satire about the sorry state of American Politics- Jesusland vs. Progressiveville.

Ah..."do as I say..not as I do"...ok ..got it...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

your response is somewhat troubling in that I know you are a learned woman, at least in this neighborhood. Who you are in real time, I don't know. This young man has put in more work to be educated in his short lifetime, with his crippling disability than you could ever know. He has not let his disability get in the way although being legally blind is no easy task and having albinism is equally crippling as far as traditional education goes.

For you to negate what he has accomplished in such a short time with the disability shows me that y ou are not a good neighbor.

I find it hard to beleive that all the hard work and accomplishment in the face of a crippling disability could be wiped clean or, as you say, negated by a couple sentences someone posted on a discussion board.

My response was not intended to be viscious or malicious, nor a personal attack. I was "translating" the meaning of the text that Tyree published on the web because I found it troubling...and a statement that represents the attitude of a lot of the younger generation...Thoroughout all that material, he told us of some great plans that he has for success, then added in that he isn't sure he is willing to put the work into the schooling.

When HistoryMike says Tyree may want to polish off the material about himself on the web, he is right. With every post online,with every addition to a Facebook page, with photo and design choices we make on our webpages, we create web-identities. Unfortunately, young people don't have a strong grasp of how they rhetortically create such an identity, how others perceive it, and how it may be damaging.

Tyree's writings are clearly tailored to an audience of young people. However, if he wants to create a professional identity, he needs to revise with attention to a different audience...the one he is trying to reach. He may very well NOT want to put the work into the schooing, BUT he shouldn't tell the audience that, because it affects their perception of him--not just because he is a public-relations rep.

And while we are on the subject of web identity--I make no secret about who I am in "real time." My name is Michelle Davidson--Helen Wheales is just a name I began using in 1998 in online spaces, not only because it's a "fun" name, but because I was concerned about anonymity. However, as you know, anonymity in these virtual neighborhoods sometimes results in irresponsible discourse, because screen names are easy to hide behind. I don't want to be accused of that, so I decided to reveal my identity on my blog, thus taking full responsibility for everything I publish.

if you were a good neighbor you would have knocked on my door (email) and asked me if this was my son, instead of going through the neighborhood asking this same information.

Which would have been the neighborly thing to do?

I didn't even realize it was possible to contact other users via e-mail, until you just mentioned this. (I don't come to this site very often any more. I haven't really stayed up on all the "extra" features of the site.)

I didn't expect that line of conversation to evolve the way it did. Since I've been a very infrequent visitor over recent months, I suppose I forgot how quickly topics shift focus here on Swampbubbles.

(I stopped coming here on a regular basis shortly after that kook started doing a lot of posting. Can't remember his name - the guy who's always spouting off about Israel?)

That would be Dave...you say his name three times...he pops up like Betelgeuse...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Your comments were out of order and unnecessary. Everybody knows that your child does not necessarily equate to what type of "ignorant" person the parent is.

On the one hand Helenweales castigates this young man for not wanting to put forth the effort to realize his dreams while you have equated his dreams to being a con artist. And you base this assumption on the fact that you consider me an ignorant person.

I can see why in this hood you call yourself "MadJack."

"I attributed some comments you made, to MadJack, I appologize to MadJack and you can read my response to him."

Well I'm glad your reading abilities are progressing. However I notice you have yet to decide to apologize to McCaskey.

"Your comments were out of order and unnecessary."

I could equally say the same about your comments about the officers being blue and not black. You asked why someone would be interested. I responded. As my grandmother used to say if you don't think you'll like the answer don't ask the question.

"while you have equated his dreams to being a con artist. "

I did no such thing. That's the problem with reading... those words mean something.

"And you base this assumption on the fact that you consider me an ignorant person. "

I made no assumptions about your son. I did make CONCLUSIONS about you. Ironically, you have fully supported those conclusions with your post.

MikeyA

there are stupid people in every city

I could be mistaken but I didn't see a post written by Guest Zero concerning the young man in question so while you may consider yourself chopped liver, I didn't see where GZ rang my doorbell and ran away.

Can you point that post out to me?

I attributed some comments you made, to MadJack, I appologize to MadJack and you can read my response to him.

Why, thank you Purnhrt. Your apology is gracefully accepted in the spirit in which it was given.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

I have been called a many a name but "the usual flotsam and jetsam that surface around the edges of circumstances like this" is a new one for me.

First of all I have had no involvement with the Trevor Casey story other than to read about it, watch the video and comment on Swamp Bubbles, so where you got the idea that I surfaced around the circumstances is beyond me.

You remind me of the good decent neighbor who only throws the brick because he saw someone else do it. He'll do it especially if he has a deep and abiding alliegence to the person he saw throw the brick.

That is unfortunate because every neighborhood needs good role models.

McCaskey said nothing about you: he referred to the lawyers, publicists, and political candidates who come out of the woodwork in a case like this.

Read the post again, and then apologize to McCaskey.

but there's no need to apologize to me.

Are you really related to ex-NFL great Alan Page?

Obviously, like Sarah you had a purpose for inflaming this neighborhood. Your innocent banter by merely pointing out "a shill" for the family and then state that Lafe Tolliver said that they weren't doing "that" really isn't innocent.

When did Lafe Tolliver become involved? I missed that one.

You are like the neighbor who gets a stone thrown at his window repeatedly and to take the pressure off you you throw a stone and then run and hide.

Perhaps you do not read The Toledo Journal, but they noted that Tolliver is representing the family.

you are like the neighbor in the community who has the prettiest lawn, beautiful flowers and waters her flowers with one of those little flowery pitchers. Then when no one is looking takes off running to spread some gossip on another street. Your comment on GCJ "I am not going to bash him because of who his mother is" was a backhanded way to connect the young man to me.

Does that mean you would bash him if he was an orphan or you would bash him if his mother was Tokyo Rose?

Lisa Renee's comment was - if anything - a picture of restraint, purnhrt. You also left out the part where she criticized posters (I assume I am included in that statement) for "pettiness" toward Tyree Page.

You really do have a persecution complex, I think.

BTW - it is very interesting how someone made a lightly veiled threat on my blog in the middle of all this. Of course, it is just as likely some SwampBubbles troll or a prankster, but just for the record: if I get more ignorant threats, I'll start recording IP addresses and turn the info over to the police.

I had to do this with my neo-Nazi harassers in 2005 and 2006, and I have no problem whatsoever doing the same thing for any other virtual goons.

*?!

Lay off Tyree, punk? You have got to be kidding me.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

that is true but I think there is a greater concentration in the Glass city. Perfect example, have you listened to WSPD lately? While I agree some of the commentary some of the time, when the mayor is called a pantload on a daily basis, that is stupid. And I am no friend of the mayor.

I understand your point, but from my personal point of view, I'd like to point out what you said just in your opening post.

"My outrage over this child’s assault is that there is no outrage."

"Only a few people have spoken out against this injustice"

"...bringing this crime to the attention of Toledo"

"When is it wrong to stand up for right?"

What I'd like to point out to you is, all of those statements are inflammatory and biased. I have only seen the video. Yes the video looks bad, but what happened before the video started?

I dare say even you do not know, yet. But by the comments you made above, you have already convicted the police department of a crime. You apparently automatically believe that Trevor was just sitting there sweet and innocent, just minding his own business when the evil Toledo Police just came out of nowhere and beat him for no reason.

I prefer to still believe that the Toledo Police are devoted to their jobs and are honorable people. I tend to believe the officers involved had reason. I know they had training. I know they have a hard job. I know they do not just go looking for people to beat up.

I have seen police cover a perperators mouth. It happens almost daily on any of the cop shows. They do that when the person being arrested is trying to spit on them.

But, instead of believing the professional police officers who have devoted their lives to "protect and to serve", you obviously believe a 15 year old, who admits smoking weed and was "dancing" in the street in front of the cop car and might have had enough attitude to fight back when the police were doing their job.

That is just backwards. You should be supporting the police first and formost.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Is THIS is your son?

http://www.blackplanet.com/music/view/artist.html?page_url=tymemanagement

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

We should build a gigantic cross so every time purnhrt feels that she's being bullied or persecuted she can climb up and nail herself to it.

At least then we wouldn't have to suffer through her posts that come from her lies.

Which begs the question at what point did I call her son a con artist?

MikeyA

I think she's referring to something I wrote, but perhaps not. Purnhrt might read, but her comprehension is low. Everything is an attack - hence this thread, which is going to get just a little crazier every day. Wheeee!

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Well believe it. Of course ALL of the hard work and accomplishments have not been negated, because all of something is rarely true. A couple of sentences? I saw volumes of information posted on this “discussion” board about the young man in question, link after link provided by ?History?Mike?.

One thing that I keep harping on to my children, young relatives and children of friends and relatives is to keep your online personality to a minimum because this could harm you in the end if you post a lot of crazy stuff or what society and different segments of society deem offensive. Parents (ignorant or learned) all have the same problem when it comes to telling a new adult child how to act. Sometime children have to learn the hard way.

If you were a good neighbor, you would have related the information in your fourth paragraph to the young man in question. If you read any of the web sites provided by the resident ?Historian? you would know how to get in touch with him. Instead you chose a different route. The resident ?Historian’s? research was not helpful, it was meant to inflame and demean, you being a learned woman knew that. Anyone who wanted to know anything about the young man mentioned by Fred could have googled his name and found out whatever information the young man had posted. Very easy to do. It was a bit of overkill by the ?Historian? to provide all of the links, now don’t you think?

You are the neighbor who is “holier than thou” and sits on her porch watching the neighborhood and when not sitting on your porch you are peeking out your window. You know all of the neighbors and know how to get them to react to certain things going on in the neighborhood because they trust you because not only are you smart but you are also holy. Everybody in the hood looks up to you. You attend 7:30 daily Mass and 8:00 Mass on Sunday, you say your rosary every evening, do the Stations of the Cross, go to Confession and take Communion. But what they don’t know about you is that if the consensus is to throw rocks at the lady who does not cut her grass you will be right there with your rock because at the last meeting (which everybody is not invite to), it was decided to throw rocks. So out of the blue and a shock to the lady who does not cut her grass, she looks out her window and sees you. Wow, she thinks, I thought she was so smart and holy, but she is just like the rest, just a little more polished.

Who you are is not important to me. You outed yourself. I was outed by a neighbor in this community as a vengeance type thing. The young man in question was outed by a neighborhood of people who don’t like the lady who doesn’t cut her grass.

I could go underground and take on a different online name but I am not ashamed of what I do for my people and my community.

You son sell's poison to the neighborhood that turns children into monsters...

Estranged or not...that lies directly at your feet.

You raised him.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

1. You had been "outed" long before I posted the email in which you threatened to sue me, purnhrt. I do not know if this was your intention to claim that I outed you by including your outing in this comment, but it could be construed that way.

2. I hardly even paid attention to you on this or any other site until two things: a) when you described foster parents like me as greedy, money-grubbing mercenaries; and b) when you repeatedly made inflammatory comments about my work as a historian. I do not know what you do for a living, nor do I care, but the only criticisms I have levied at you are with regard to ignorant statements you have made about me on this site. As far as I know you are a concerned citizen with a lengthy record of public service, and other than defending myself after your trolling comments, you seem to be a person who cares about the community and wants to improve it for the better.

3. That being said: if you want to continue to believe that there is some conspiracy against you (i.e., the "SwampBubbles gangbangers" you claim are in cahoots), I cannot stop you from your delusions. However, if you insist on making attacks against my work as a historian, writer, and college instructor, I will have no problem feeding your delusions by continuing to criticize your comments here and elsewhere.

4. In short: consider this a virtual truce offering, one time only. I have much better things to do than to waste time answering your spurious comments, but I certainly will not sit back and allow you to engage in character defamation just because you are still pissed that I linked to your negative comments about Mike Bell two and a half months ago. Get over it.

I am not responding to dredge up any trouble or to "throw rocks." I do want to continue this discourse as if we were at the corner diner and struck up a conversation over coffee.

First, when I said "A couple of sentences," I was referring only to the comment I wrote regarding Tyree Page's publicly posted comments. I don't think anything anyone said here could negate ANY of your son's accomplishments. To borrow your analogy, this is a small neighborhood.

Second, boy, do I hear you--as a parent and as someone who works with young people, I know that it is difficult for them to see the Internet as a public place, and in their immortality and all-knowing wisdom,they do not always heed the warnings of those who have their best interests at heart. I have an 18-year-old....Enough said?

Young people are victims of all the technology in their worlds--they blindly buy into the cool factor and think that it ALWAYS helps them. They have not lived in a world in which they weren't connected to everything and everyone 24/7. Who they are is reflected and validated in sound-bites, snapshots, bumper stickers and status updates on Facebook and Twitter. They are defining themselves and creating identities which are not true reflections of who they are--they are based on audience assumptions.

Which brings me to my next point--Some time ago, you called me a "snob." Now you refer to me as "holier than thou." You assume from my posts that I am pretentious, catty, and un-Christian. I'm picturing Gladys Kravtiz or a character in a Flannery O'Connor story.

I personally don't find this a fair nor accurate picture of who I am. But this is the way you "read" me based on my posts here.

And you say that as a good neighbor, I should have contacted your son directly and given him the advice I posted here. Schnickies! If I did that for everyone who presented themselves in a less-than-professional fashion on the World Wide Web, I'd never sleep! ( if using the word Schnikies doesn't say "holier than thou, I don't know what does!') I simply posted a response here, in this neighborhood gathering place, where people are chatting.

Your Swampbubbles-neighborhood analogy is a smart one. But when you look at each of us as a "neighbor" with a separate house and lawn to tend to, you aren't capturing the essense of what we do here. We aren't sitting on our porches gawking at one another, we are interacting...more like customers spending the morning in the neighborhood diner that I mentioned at the beginning of this post. We talk and share information, argue and come to agreement, and sometimes we joke.

Considering this, think about how our reactions to one another might be different if we were in a public place (we are), and we had to look one another in the eye,
Yes, I would have STILL pointed out my reading of Tyree Page's comment about not being sure he wanted to do the school, but I don't think you would have taken such offense. HistoryMike would still have shared what he found on the web, and you would have been there to defend...but again, in person, there would have been a bit more give-and-take.

I'm lost in the dandy-lions. I can't keep track of whose lawn needs mowing and who is playing rap music at three in the morning. I do have one question, though.

Schnickies?

What is Schnickies?

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Schnickies! You obviously haven't seen one of the most thought-provoking films of all time--Tommy Boy...

Schnickies is just an expression the lead character uses.

only speak of what you know.

Or what?

Dont wag your finger at me lady....

Your own attitude is clearly part of the problem...an apple never falls far from the tree...

The behaviour of MY children reflects DIRECTLY on how I raised them....

Cut your grass like the rest of us before you complain about the condition of the nieghborhood...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I think purnhrt should mow her lawn instead of hurling insults at people on this site and the police.

BTW if I lived in her neighborhood I'd look like this.

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mtarthur/mrrogers.jpg

MikeyA

this particular apple fell from a biological tree, 8 foster parent? trees before this particular apple landed in my orchard..

So speak about what you know.

And?

Ok...someone threw him over your fence.....then what?

Look...I applaud ANYONE who takes on the challenge of foster kids.youself and.History mike included...and yes there are some kids you just cant turn around....but you still had an infuence...good or bad...

So I will man up and offer apology for going on a tangent...I'm sorry....but you made some pretty outlandish claims and made some huge prejudgements of your own...

T looks like he has some goals and dreams...but he's still part of the problem...the thought that vulgarity and the gang culture is "just a part of the subculture" ..

You started this thread to wag your finger at the "neighborhood" and tell a couple people they werent being good neighbors....over a bad apple...

You saw those men as blue before black...I only see men doing a thankless job and a punk...

I judge people on their behaviour...not the color of their skin...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

That was much appreciated and big of you to say, especially in light of our earlier disagreements.

I may be many things....a liar is not one of them...*wink*

credit where credit is due...

I have three kids of my own....

It litterally breaks my heart the way some children have to grow up and miss out on a childhood...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Damn, I have no idea what this thread is about but it sounds kinda like a soap opera.

BTW; is there a way to make the board list responses to a thread in chronological order?

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

my apple was adopted not fostered. The foster tree is part of my apple's problem.

I understand...

Well then there is still hope to put a shine on that apple...he just need's some new role models...

Thomas sowell

Walter williams

Larry elders

Booker T Washington

When your mind is in the gutter....your body stays with it...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Actually the apples that fell into my yard (all six of them) all have role models that they do not have to read about they see them at family reunions and vacations.

since you can quote what I wrote it is surprising that you did not read the last sentence. """""""This thread will address the way in which SB posters attacked one person to get at another and it is not about the Trevor Casey story. """""""""

in the neighborhood. Everyone have a nice long weekend and enjoy.

Thank you for inviting me to the diner. Or did you? The lady with the uncut grass is not welcome in the diner. She can go and eat but normally she sits alone, so thanks for the invitation or was it?

Anyway lets continue the discourse. You are completely wrong about how easy it was to negate this young man's accomplishments. Because the neighborhood is small there are many small minded people in the neighborhood. It's sort of like if you have only had your mother's bean soup ,how can you judge anyone elses bean soup?

It is not only young people who do not see the Internet as a public place. Many of our neighbors (your and mine) also do not see the Internet as a public place. Because if they did they would not post a lot of the offensive material that they do. Even though they do so with bags over their heads. And I am assuming that they are adults.

Because I have a big picture window in the front of my house I can see a lot of the goings on in the neighborhood and my read on you and what you write is what I see. Of course you wouldn't see yourself as I see you and I don't see myself as the people see me. I don't see my self as a nitwit, racist, full of hate, a liar, flotsam, jetsam, mocker, belittler, insulter, engaging in character defamation, a person with low comprehension, hurling insults, am inflammatory, biased and need to wash my hair. So I can see where you don't see yourself as I see you and think my assessment is unfair and inaccurate.

However what I see is once you are called on something by me you leave the neighborhood and resurface when the mob gets together for a meeting.

Your reasoning for not contacting the young man directly is that if you did that for everyone on the WWW you would never sleep and that you simply posted a response at the neighborhood gathering where people were chatting. Except that the one person who was not privy to the chat was the young man who you chastised. Then it becomes gossip.

It is true that we are not gawking at each other but interacting however the interaction with the lady with the uncut grass leaves something to be desired. It is more than likely more of a beatdown, (in different ways for each participant.)

The camraderie circumvents the lady with the uncut grass because she is a threat to the well being of the neighborhood since she does not fit into any category other than the uncut grass. She is unlike any other person in the neighborhood and has had different life experiences that the other neighbors but instead of trying to learn from her it is easier and uglier to slice and dice her.

And if we were in a public place nine out of ten of the neighbors would not be able to look the lady with the uncut grass in the eye. That is why most keep the bags over their heads when they go to the meeting. With some neighbors there is no give and take because it is just easier to throw the rock and hide your hand.

See how I see you. Go back to the neighborhood meetings, look at the minutes for each meeting that you attended and see what your response has been to the lady with the uncut grass. Then meet me at the diner, I'll be the one with the scars and the smile.

sounds to me like you and your son need to take your own advice.

"Both of you need to toughen up! Don't be such crybabies."

After all, your son by getting involved in the Criminal Casey situation made himself a public figure.

MikeyA

Cut your damn grass....rats are living in it...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

First of all, I challenge this comment:
"... what I see is once you are called on something by me you leave the neighborhood and resurface when the mob gets together for a meeting."

Nothing that you have said has sent me cowering away from cyberspace until I see another opportunity to attack you! If I don't show up here for any period of time, it is because I don't live on or in my computer and I have work to do, or have committments. Though I enjoy discussions with my virtual "neighbors," Swampbubbles takes a backseat to so many other things on my priorities list.

At your suggestion, I have skimmed through previous interactions; I have never attacked you...I have disagreed with you here and there or you have disagreed with me. This may be where our disconnect begins. Do you see anyone who doesn't agree with you as an enemy? If you consider I don't consider you an enemy. As General George S. Patton said, 'If everyone is thinking the same thing, someone isn't thinking."

Other interactions include me explaining the fervor about the "c" word, and telling you that I appreciated you telling us the history of the prayer/song read at the inauguration, and I also found a post where I asked someone else why they insisted calling you by your real name instead of your online moniker...

I did not chastise your son! Chastise= punish, scold, condemn, beat, chasten, discipline.

I made a public comment about his public comment that what he said could be interpreted a certain way. Nothing more. I see from his post on another thread that he is in school--so his comment isn't even a representation of reality. That just proves an earlier point about audience perceptions of words posted in public forums.

obviously we don't have the same definition of public figure.

You are now involved in a very controversial story in the Toledo area. This all came because Tyree choose to get involved.

Now I'm not condemning Tyree because he chose to get involved. I saying that he is now a part of the story. He is now open to the public scrutiny of the story. That scrutiny is as fair as the story itself because if you believe the public has a right to know the truth then you must also agree the public has a right to know who is ACTIVELY supporting either side.

Please note I never attacked Tyree. I did attack Twila. But that is because Twila has a history on SB of making unsubstantiated claims, especially about other posters, and then crying foul when a substantiated claim is made about her.

Tyree, if you don't like the scrutiny, which neither would I, I wouldn't get so involved in the future. Unfortunately some lessons must be heard the hard way. The wise man learns from them, the fool does not.

MikeyA

this thread is not about the Casey story. Read above what this thread is about and then try to stay focused

Hey Liar,

"Read above what this thread is about and then try to stay focused"

As focused as you where when you got me and Madjack confused?

This thread is about your son, a person who defames public officials, just as you defame posters on here. See, an ignorant person raises her son to be an ignorant person as well.

Hence my original interest.

MikeyA

With a liar for a mother it's very understandable to see how someone like Tyree Page could post things like this:

"It has been around Toledo that these two officers are Dirty Cops
They plant drugs on people
They have falsely put charges on people"

There is no honor among thieves and liars stick together.

MikeyA

Purnhrt keeps reminding others to "stay focused" on the thread, yet simultaneously she keeps making snarky unrelated comments about earlier flame wars she seems to want to re-ignite.

lol

lol maybe we're all revisionists.

MikeyA

You know, Purnhrt, if you do not get rid of the hate you're carrying around, it's going to eat you alive. You won't be able to tolerate anyone being around you for any reason, or be able to read what another has written, or listen to music - other than gangster rap music, that is - or do anything to actually help those causes you say you believe in.

Hate is the reason you started this thread, hate is the reason you'll never be able to let go of it, and for that I am truly sorry.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

don't cry for me , because I sleep well at night. Try to find out why even you call yourself MAD. This episode of transference sounds a little pathological to me.

Mikeya..........................you said....................
"""""""""" if you don't like the scrutiny, which neither would I, I wouldn't get so involved in the future. Unfortunately some lessons must be heard the hard way. The wise man learns from them, the fool does not."""""""

I encourage all young people to get involved in what is happening in their community. This is a lesson well worth learning, you won't always be on the winning side but at least you stood up and that builds character. Hiding on a blog under an assumed name never helped anybody.

Character is not making false accusations at public officials.

Something I read Tyree did after I made that post.

MikeyA

Madman. Ha! That's funny.

Look, Purnhrt, baiting me isn't going to help you, nor will it help your son, Tyree. Insulting me or others here won't help you either, nor will lying help you. You won't find any peace for you or your family doing any of those things. You won't hurt the people you hate.

Again, go to your minister and have him pray with you. Talk to him about anger, hate and forgiveness, and listen to what he has to say.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

"""""""""""""""I'd just been thinking "Gee,
Submitted by HelenWheales on Sat, 2009-03-14 20:55.
I'd just been thinking "Gee, I wonder what happened to purnhrt? Haven't heard from her in a while." Then, I see in the recent posts that purnhrt made a post. I was happy to see her return.

I don't dislike it when people here disagree. It is a necessary part of meaningful dialogue. But, golly, purnhrt, it just seems that you purposely look for molehills to transform into mountains. I recall not long ago that someone referred to someone as "boy," and that set you off. Then, someone found fault with the Inaugural prayer and that started a diatribe. I made a generalization about not expecting people who weren't Catholic to know what the Doxology was--and you accused me of not knowing that some blacks can be Catholic...

I dredge all this detrius up because it demonstrates a pattern of searching out something that you can harp on. It reminds me of my teenager's modus operandi--if we are going out to dinner and she would rather be somewhere else, she'll find fault with everything from the music on the car radio, the temperature, and the choice of restaurant. You are as happy as you make up your mind to be.

I have enjoyed your posts and your company here on Swampbubbles...when you aren't picking at people for innocuous comments. Why not be a positive contributor? I'm not saying that you can't be critical. I am saying that there are ways to contribute and speak your mind without starting, to get closer to topic, a riot.
It's not what you say; it's how you say it. """""""""""""""

If this is not considered an attack we really speak to different languages, see things through two different lenses.

I really do not see this as an ATTACK! So, we must be speaking two different languages and see things through different lenses as you say.

I'm sorry if you think so, because it was not my intention. I will think twice--maybe three times--before I speak with you here again.

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