American Psychological Association publication includes admission that there's no homosexual "gene"

The attempt to prove that homosexuality is determined biologically has been dealt a knockout punch. An American Psychological Association publication includes an admission that there's no homosexual "gene" -- meaning it's not likely that homosexuals are born that way.
For decades, the APA has not considered homosexuality a psychological disorder, while other professionals in the field consider it to be a "gender-identity" problem. But the new statement, which appears in a brochure called "Answers to Your Questions for a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality," states the following:

"There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles...."
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This is hardly a "knockout punch," as the article's author claims. In the quoted material, the APA merely noted that there is "no consensus about the exact reasons" a person develops a particular orientation.

A biological origin is different from a "gay gene," cogitate, just as there is no "gene" for people of different races despite the fact that there are obvious differences (i.e., skin and hair) that have a biological origin.

Besides, you should be able to find less biased sources than to post articles from publications by founded by noted gay-basher Rev. Donald Wildmon, cogitate.

when someone disagrees with popular thought.
Ok, the drive by media didn't pick up on this yet.
Like Matt Lauer , they report the way they want
This article quotes an attorney and a gu y whose life has been changed thru Christ.
As far as skin color, we are all one blood. We all have the same mom. We are all one race
with different pigments that are only skin deep.
Wildmon can be out there sometimes, but he can be right sometimes too.

Is there a gene for being heterosexual?

Pink Slip

Why..... you need gene therapy?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Good one Z.

Cogitate, when did you choose to be straight?

Pink Slip

Ah...just razzing you...*grin*

The point is....the entire argument for homosexuality being "normal" and "natural" has been based on the premis that homosexuals are "born different"....IE: it's genetic...

But this is a late view...pushed again by the homosexual community...when for a very long time...the AMA held that it was a mental disorder...

So now after having accepted and trying to prove that premis for decades.,the AMA has backed off...as it cant be proven to be biological...

After decades of searching for this biological difference...none has been found...

If there is no biological difference....that leaves only alternative...

It's in the mind......

Now there can certainly be psycological factors not yet known...but they are non the less within the mind...

And I'm not willing to confer rights based on simply a different way of thinking...

I've said for years:

"If a gay gene is ever found...the gay community will become "pro-life" overnight"

People choose to become gay in mid life...people choose to give up homoseaxuality mid life...

http://pfox.org/default.html

Again...it's a choice....it may be sunconscious in some cases...or a conscious decision in other cases......people choose to harm themsleves in many ways....doesnt make it acceptible or confer them special status...

My own opinion ofcorse....but it's based on direct observation of a couple homosexuals in my own family...

They are nice people...and I love them dearly...but all of them exhibit other signs of mental illness besides simply being gay...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

So, Z...when did YOU choose to be straight? (assuming you are) Do you remember what day it was? Was it a tough decision for you?

Pink Slip

Pink Slip - Do you mind me asking what religion you are?

I'm non-religious. Why do you ask?

Pink Slip

Non religious - is that Atheist?

Atheism seems too fundamentalist to me. Agnostic, non-religious, rational....these are ok

Pink Slip

Why do you want to know Pink?...you cruising for a new piece of ass?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

When did you choose? Pretty important 'decision' you would have made. Most people remember those 'big decisions' in life. Fill us in.

Aw...Gonna have a fit if I dont play your little game?

Call me names?

LMAO....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

They are nice people...and I love them dearly...but all of them exhibit other signs of mental illness besides simply being gay...

Lemme guess. They vote Democrat?

Lemme guess. They vote Democrat?

Ha!
Ha!Ha!
Ha!Ha!Ha!

I about snorted my coffee. No foolin' McCaskey, that's a good one!

DISCLAIMER: I first decided to become a heterosexual (AKA Straight Guy) at a sandlot ball game when I noticed that my buddy's older sister looked, ah, interesting. What's more, she'd actually talk to me about stuff which made me feel weird.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

HAHAHAHAHA!

Now that you mention it...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

To call it a "gay gene" grossly oversimplifies the issue. Genetics is an incredibly complicated topic, and of course it's not as simple as a couple of recessive genes joining together. We don't yet know the cause for homosexuality, but that doesn't at all imply that it's choice. Who on earth would choose to live a life of constant hatred from narrow-minded zealots?

And it's been around the same percentage of people who have been gay throughout history, no matter how permissive or repressive the culture they come from. Do you honestly think there are people out there "recruiting" gay people in countries where you can be put to death for it? But guess what? They're there.

Stop wasting your time with this hate. Life's too short for this.

"Who on earth would choose to live a life of constant hatred from narrow-minded zealots?"

Who on this earth would choose to inlfict pain upon themselves by "cutting"....

Oh...I know...

non compos mentis

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

So, the line they quote from the APA states that there hasn't been one determining cause of homosexuality, meaning we don't know precisely the mix of biological, social, and cultural factors that go into one's sexual orientation and practice. It's not that none of these play a role, but that we can't point to a suite of genes and go, "yup, there they are! Right there!." There are lots of things we know have basis in our DNA, but haven't located the exact biological mechanisms that help lead to their expression.

For decades, the APA has not considered homosexuality a psychological disorder

Perhaps because the APA may not consider it a disorder at all.

The article states:
""That contrasts with the APA's statement in 1998: "There is considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality."

In no way does the small snippet from the recent APA article refute this previous APA statementat all, as the author proposes. Not one bit.

I'd be interested in seeing the WHOLE APA article, and comparing it to how this author interprets what they said. Cogitate, do you have a link to the original APA article?

and perhaps whether one can 'prove' a homosexual gene exists is as tricky as 'proving' these 'statements of fact' contained in the article:

"Change through Christ is possible -- and it's one of the most heartwarming aspects of the whole gay debate," he shares. "Many men and women have come out of homosexuality, mostly through a relationship with Jesus Christ. The fact that these professional organizations will not study that, will not acknowledge that, shows how 'in the tank' they are for the homosexual movement."
"LaBarbera stresses that even though elites will not recognize the change, that does not mean the change does not exist. In fact, both Barber and LaBarbera believe that God changes people through Christ -- regardless of the sin."

It's sad when the belief in a super-natural non-being causes people to discriminate against real flesh and blood people.

Pink Slip

Amen. :)

LMAO...said the man who is threatened by what he doesnt believe in...

It's like being afraid of Santa Claus or the easter bunny...and demanding they not be in your view or presence...

So pink....where do your inalienable rights come from?

The whims of other men?..a piece of paper?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

The idea of "inalienable rights" is a human concept. It comes from humans. But I wouldn't call them "whims". A lot of serious thought has been put into this concept. It's a wonderful thing that man evolved to the stage where such an idea were possible.

Pink Slip

Then you have no inalienable rights...they are at the whim of other men..free to be taken or granted at will...

Thus we see places like the UK prosecuting people for self defense.

The most basic of rights...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

than wondering 'why' an individual is homo-hetero-bi-trans-whatever sexual.

Why is it so important for so many to unlock the secrets to this 'deep mystery'?

Somebody should do a frigging study on that.

The "why" is because around1% of the population is demanding special status based on their sexual behaviour....and their sexual behaviour is based on choice....not a biological difference...

There are people who have chosen to give up being gay and embrace heterosexuality, get married, and have kids...it's a fact you cannot deny...

http://pfox.org/default.html

For an example of a BIGGER waste of time...I offer up the moonbats chasing the people who protected this nation from further terror attacks after 9/11.

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“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

and their sexual behaviour is based on choice....not a biological difference...

Who says? Right-wing conservative Christian dogma? And that 'one percent' really eats away at you?

There are people who have chosen to give up being gay and embrace heterosexuality, get married, and have kids...it's a fact you cannot deny..

And, there are married individuals with children who have led phoney existences and recognized they've always been gay but for appearance sake denied it. And, I don't need a link to 'prove' this. It's the way it is.

I offer up the moonbats chasing the people who protected this nation from further terror attacks after 9/11

Here we go with this nonsense. Never mind, go back to your burning-at-the-stake of gay deviants and fretting about the one per cent.

Ah yes.."they were allways gay myth"...and then anyone who decides not to be gay either was "never gay"...or they are "still gay and lying to themselves"...

attack attack attack...deny deny deny...distract and strawman...

ANYONE who disagrees has to fit into your own stereotypes....must be religious or a republican...

Absolutely hillarious...and utterly predictable...

Still no gay gene....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

From McCaskey: someone show me a bigger waste of time than wondering 'why' an individual is homo-hetero-bi-trans-whatever sexual.

No problem. Go attend one week's worth of US Congressional sessions.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

quite enjoyable banter I'm seeing here.

Funny tho, I don't recall a psychologist being a genetic scientist.

shame the author of this conglomeration of words, phrases and conjunctions isn't qualified for the story he had published.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

And how cool am I to bring props? ;)

Looks to me that someone forgot to tell the animals that it's a choice....

Yes there really is such an institute. I was made aware of it by a psychologist friend who works with the gay community.

Read what NARTH says about "being born that way"

http://www.narth.com/docs/arguecase.html

"Gay culture does not grant the pedophile movement general acceptance. It does, however, offer a peripheral credibility to this movement which pedophilia has never been granted in the culture at large. Members of NAMBLA (The North American Man-Boy Love Association) march in some gay pride parades.

The academic Journal of Homosexuality (vol. 20, nos. 1/2, l990) has also explored the issue of "Male Intergenerational Intimacy" in a generally approving manner. (Back issues of this journal can be ordered by calling Haworth Press at 1-800-HAWORTH.)

Discrimination Against a Minority

The vast majority of the articles in "Male Intergenerational Intimacy" argue that pedophilia should be freed from categorization as child abuse. In the foreword, Dr. Gunter Schmidt closes by saying that "Each individual case must be looked upon on its own merits...the threat to make all pedophile acts punishable by law can barely be labeled civilized...it implies discrimination and persecution of a minority and should be abolished." (p. 4)

Another group of writers (two psychologists and a lawyer--Sandfort, Brongersma, and Naerssen) argue that "the current social climate makes it rather difficult to look at [pedophilic] relationships in an objective way." (p.5)

"Born that Way and Can't Change"

In another article, "'The Main Thing is Being Wanted': Some Case Studies on Adult Sexual Experiences with Children," the author says that one-third of the pedophiles he has studied claimed that "their sexual desire for children is a natural part of their constitution. This desire is variously described as 'inbred,' 'innate,' 'a fact of nature,' 'inherent in them,' etc. The leitmotif of their accounts is 'this is me' or 'just the way I am.'"

The author concludes that the feeling of being "born a pedophile" makes them feel they cannot change, and therefore they are convinced they have the same right as other people to pursue the "natural" expression of their sexuality. (p. 133). The same author quotes a respondent's belief that "if adult-child sex was commonplace, the majority of it would surely be good for both participants." (p. 137)."

 

In short, pedophiles believe that they also are "BORN THAT WAY"

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

it's the same friggen gene that determines hetero, homo, necrophilia, beastiality, and pedophilia, amongst others.

It's a sexual proclivity designed in the development of that gene.

And just because they're "born that way", in our culture pedophiles are criminally charged because what they do is against the laws established within our culture. Besides, pedophilia is still frowned upon in advanced society because of the harm it causes to innocent children and thier families. But it does cause the pedophilia's desire for children the same responses heterosexuals receive in seeing Megan Fox or Ryan Seacrest for the homosexuals.

But pedophilia runs rampant in other cultures and other species.

But to state that it's "a choice" that children are found to be sexually enticing is showing ignorance.

And there's not one psychologist out there even remotely qualified to determine, let alone publically speculate, whether a genetic alteration is the cause of this gene's development.

There's no excuse for it. Nor is there a cure. Even under harsh conditioning, short of altering the gene directly, there is nothing one can do to change the mind of a pedophile that children are not sexual objects.

And that same gene is responsible for the desires of "same-gender" relationships.

yep, just one minute alteration of the genome involved and you can hump a baby or hump a dead person or hump your pet or propagate the species...

it's not your decision. it's how you were designed.

feel free to utilize the psychologist for assistance to help you folks work your way out of the political muckhole and back to reality.

And after reading some of the extremist posts pertaining to political talking points compared to reality, some may benefit from a visit to the psychologist.

Soon, you'll understand the difference between "sexual proclivity" and "political stance" are from two completely different realms within your DNA...

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