Our Next Group Of Elected Officials Must Have Family Values

With the layoff of dozens of police officers the families in Toledo will have to step up their roles to guide our children and reinforce positive family values. We cannot afford to have our next group of elected government officials make a mockey of Toledo's social and financial relevance. At present, Toledo's government is an object of humorous andtidotes at bars and cocktails parties across the nation. The rest of the nation doesn't take Toledo seriously, and therefore, they are not serious about living here or investing here.

Crime is a great deterrent to anyone wanting to invest any type of future in Toledo. Would any of us want to invest in, Detroit, Newark, NJ. or East St. Louis. I'm not saying Toledo politicians need to be squeeky clean, but I am saying, Toledo doesn't need to have any major surprises. In the coming months there will be good and bad rumors about all the candidates who are running for office. We need to know if a candidate is a substance abuser, a spouse abuser, leads a controversal lifestyle, is an alchoholic, is a felon, is a racist, has a gambling problem, excetera, excetera, excetera. There are already some very disturbing rumors about some of candidates already circulating. These candidates need to make sure they disclose these potential surprises now and remove themselves from the political arena. If they don't, there are Toledoens out here with excellent, factual, accurate intelligence that will help them ponder whether or not they can overcome the truths and continue on with their candidacy.

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From LauralBloom: With the layoff of dozens of police officers the families in Toledo will have to step up their roles to guide our children and reinforce positive family values.

As opposed to relying on the police to provide guidance to the children? I think most parents in Toledo prefer to provide guidance and good moral values to their own children without relying on Toledo city government. There's no need for you to trouble yourself, Madam.

And could you tell us just who will define these 'family values' you hold in such high esteem, and where the rest of society will find that definition?

From LauralBloom: At present, Toledo's government is an object of humorous andtidotes [SIC] at bars and cocktails parties across the nation.

Have you attended any of these widespread cocktail parties you seem to be an expert on? Would you mind repeating a few of the anecdotes you've heard?

From LauralBloom: I'm not saying Toledo politicians need to be squeeky [SIC] clean, but I am saying, Toledo doesn't need to have any major surprises.

According to you LauralBloom, a little corruption is acceptable. How much should the rest of us be willing to tolerate?

From LauralBloom: In the coming months there will be good and bad rumors about all the candidates who are running for office.

Rumors? No! Say it ain't so.

You know, I'm wondering if this rumor mongering is part of the family values you were writing about earlier. Is it?

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

You know Jack, you're starting to grow on me. Spot on...

Pink Slip

I know I would feel more comfortable about our city's future if people who are running for office and have qestionable pasts and tastes would choose not to scar our basic values and community. People with questionable pasts have a right to run for office. I can always vote or not vote for them if I'm well informed. It would be very sad if one of the candidates has been seen grazing with farm animals or other socially repulsive acts. Afterall, most things done in the dark, will soon come to the light.

I want to thank you MadJack for allowing me to respond and tell the world what I think family values are:

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

As far as corruption is concerned, I have zero tolerance. However, if a candidate has a parking ticket or two, I'd probably will vote for the candidate anyway.

As a matter of fact I have been to some bars and cocktail parties in other cities. The most common thing I here is, That Mayor of yours is a wacko.

Here is a rumor that was floating around the United States on December 6, 1941. The Japanese might bomb Pearl Harbor.

wife. He is the domineering type and tricked us. I attended his campaign volunteer meetings. He was all gushy with hugs and knew the first names of his volunteers. But lurking behind that
Carty was the other Carty , the one he governs with , his iron fist and kingship mentality
LB is right .
We need to know these people

"[Carty ] is the domineering type and tricked us."

You can't cheat an honest man. If you were really honest with yourself, you'd see that he was ONLY able to "trick you" with your full complicity in the act. Czarty had two full terms to demonstrate what a WACK-JOB he really is. His radio show after his terms further emphasized his clinical insanity.

Toledoans can't honestly claim they didn't know. They just wanted a salesman to perform "economic development", and they didn't care how nutty he was. Well, Czarty Got Results, all right. He collected more years of a $130K salary off of us. HE got richer. That was probably the only point.

Now it's time to more fully PAY for years of deferred financial details, from the unbroken string of deceitful administrations: Czarty-Czarty-Ford-Czarty. That's 16 years of financial chicanery while Toledo lost an incredible chunk of its tax base, as well as a steady loss of about 1000 people each year.

Serious Question: If Toledo is now at the 1950 level of population, when will it occur to people to have the same level of government as we had in 1950?

Crime rate in 1950 vs 2009 vs number of cops on the job.

Government sponsored social programs 1950 vs 2009...

On the federal level, I can PROVE it's overblown. The federal budget in 1940 was about 3 billion dollars. In 2007, it was 3000 billion. Over 65 years, that's an 11% yearly inflation in that budget. Was there 11% general yearly inflation over that period? NO! So the size of the cost of federal government is obviously excessive. If instead that budget grew at the real rate of long-term growth (3%), it would be at only 21 billion now. If we grant government a long-term growth rate of 5% to make up for the increased costs of new regulation, it would only be at 75 billion.

We can try to look at Toledo the same way. In 1980, it really changed, as Toledoans allowed themselves to be directly income-taxed to supply further government expansion. That was extremely foolish and was only eclipsed in such foolishness when Toledoans re-approved that tax recently.

lauralbloom--So all that you require is that they follow YOUR religion. Whew, that was close---for a minute I thought you were going to suggest something silly

Pink Slip

My religion is not at issue. I'm talking about what is good for us and what is bad for us. I don't tell most people what my religion is, and I certainly don't try to get people to follow my religion. I also respect the rights of atheists. I choose to be a Judeo-Christian and I also just try to treat everyone I meet with respect. For me to say I don't have any flaws would be rediculous, but I try each day to do a lot of things that I think are good.

In otherwords, the only thing I suggest to anyone is to be the best they can be everyday and be respectful to everyone they can. Elected officials owe us the truth and they shouldn't be disrespectful to us by lying, commiting crimes, and terrorizing us and our children. Afterall, we are the ones who elect them.

Sorry, it sounded as if you were saying our elected officials should follow the ten commandments. ---Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it's certainly not a prerequisite

Pink Slip

"Afterall, we are the ones who elect them."

Yes, and that's the KEY issue. "We". WE continue to elect these deceitful, horrible people. They jump from one position to the next, counting on name-recognition to keep them from making a living at honest labor. WE KNOW THIS, and still shift or re-elect them.

Note that Ford was elected onto the TPS Board. That's a CLEAR indicator that Toledoans JUST DON'T THINK before they vote. And now Konop (despite his pledge) is trying to hop from Commissioner to Mayor. While still in office. They can ONLY do that without cooperation.

So we only have ourselves to blame.

I've been waiting for this one. Nice job.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

I don't think the biggest problem with a lack of family values lies with government.
The trouble is we have a large segment of our society that breads like rabbits because with each new kid comes more welfare money. This leads to a whole slew of kids who don't know who "dad" is.
This means we have welfare moms who have more kids than they can handle or instill any values in.
Then some of those kids end up being in gangs, perhaps for a sense of "belonging".

Everyone deserves a hand up if they need it, but this whole idea of generation after generation living on welfare is ridiculous.

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

"with each new kid comes more welfare money"

also I see a large segment who don't need or get welfare but yet do because they and their kids live off of mommy and daddy but yet find ways to party every weekend.

The shame of it is I've seen that more in Toledo than anywhere else I've lived.

The parents of the country are refusing to let their children fail. So they prop them up as best they can. Then those children have children and suddenly there's two generations relying on mom and dad.

We are building a culture of people without responsibility. It will come crashing down. When it does forget the current economic problems... because that will be a crash of our whole society.

MikeyA

I don't mean to suggest that the government should take any role in family values, but the elected officials should have them. I feel it is tougher for parents to raise their children because of so many more influences that are out there. In the 1940's and 50's when I was a child we didn't a have televison, the internet, thousand of magazines, video games, excetera. We had our parents, our family, our friends and neighbors. In my opinion, some of that has been lost. We need to step-up and re-institute those concepts. Our leadership should be able to consistently demonstrate a history of responsible stewardship in our community.

I was raised by a single parent. We were never on welfare and we knew who our father was. He wasn't around at all, but my siblings and I all have college degrees, two of us with Masters Degrees. We have never committed a crime and we pay our taxes. Fancy that! A single parent who raised some good kids.

I propose a questionaire to all the candidates to answer and post it as part of thier campaign. The questions would be ( multple choice or yes or no ). There would be a maximum of ten questions. We could call it the Candidates Statement Of Values. If it is proven that any one of the questions are answered falsley, the candidate agrees that he or she will withdraw from the election.

Do you see anything frightening here?

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Frightening? Why, yes. Demanding that officials adhere to a "Statement of Values" is well beyond their mandate as OUR EMPLOYEES. It's another aspect of having a government that's far too large. A government that's too large is one that's concerned with nitpicking, and in sticking its nose into our lives beyond what it can via constitution or charter. And the same applies in reverse; if WE apply too many stupid rules upon our government, then it becomes too large to compensate (at least by hiring people to handle all the stupid paperwork).

At any rate, there's no point in emphasizing "family values" as long as the average family doesn't abide by them in the first place.

What I'm aiming for here, is that the only notable and applicable "family value" that translates from a family to a government is FISCAL CONSERVATISM. We elect officials to basically just spend tax money wisely. Yet since Toledo families are not frugal and are in deep debt, no such transfer can occur.

THIS is why Toledoans vote FISCAL LIBERALS into public office endlessly. "We" don't manage our money sanely, so we unconsciously don't expect our officials to do that either. Yet "we" have the nerve to complain when our elected spendaholics do what comes naturally to their class of person. It's insane, and our culture is insane.

From GZ: the only notable and applicable "family value" that translates from a family to a government is FISCAL CONSERVATISM. We elect officials to basically just spend tax money wisely. Yet since Toledo families are not frugal and are in deep debt, no such transfer can occur.

Or, in other words, since government officials do not run their own personal household in a fiscally conservative manner, why should they run government any differently?

In a supporting argument I found these facts on http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/SavingandDebt/P70581.asp

- The average household has more than $8,000 in credit card debt, up from about $3,000 in 1990. An $8,000 debt at a rate of 18% interest will take more than 25 years to repay and cost more than $24,000.

- The most recent Federal Reserve study showed that 43% of U.S. families spent more than they earned. On average, Americans spend $1.22 for each dollar they earn.

Little wonder Toledo residents are over taxed and under served.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Obey the laws of God in a rational, intelligent way and there is nothing to fear.

Hrmmm...what about Islamic family values?....I mean really....honor killings and crap?

Maybe you should be a little more specific...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

No, we ONLY ask that our elected officials obey the secular laws that we agree upon (the Constitution, state laws, local laws, etc)

Pink Slip

No, we ONLY ask that our elected officials obey the secular laws that we agree upon (the Constitution, state laws, local laws, etc)

Im on board here!! Lets start with taxation without representation when we look at the garbage fees, and then look at the city charter when we start deciding what services the citizenry has approved to be paid for and what services were just 'decided' upon and billed us for.

That would be the United States Constitution, including the Bill Of Rights. That's rather a lot to ask, don't you think?

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Who cares what religion you are as long as you follow the golden rule?

MikeyA

I wouldn't elect a Satan worshiper nor an Islamic, and in fact I'd prohibit these people from holding public office if I could. Catholics are likewise nixed unless and until they can clean up the pedophilia in their own back yard. I don't think that will happen in my lifetime.

My objections to the so-called 'golden rule' that you pious monkeys tout like a concise definition of the universe begin with the fact that you and people like you have absolutely no idea how the rest of the world wants to be treated. It's likely that their personal tastes do not mirror your own. Moreover, the 'golden rule' does not account for different situations. An unemployed debtor might think you should forgive his debt due to his impoverishment, while you believe he could easily pay you off by selling his home. Finally, the successful application of the 'golden rule' relies entirely and exclusively on people who share the same ethics. You haven't been able to find that situation among the contributors of SwampBubbles, let alone an entire city.

This one-line Pollyanna doctrine might be convincing to grade school children, but it has no place in the real world. Certainly not in a public office.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

the problem with your thinking Madjack is this "This one-line Pollyanna doctrine might be convincing to grade school children, but it has no place in the real world. Certainly not in a public office."

The golden rule is not a religious rule. It follows Natural Law.

Natural Law is the moral rules still left in place in the absence of religion.

All forms of philosophy be it Kantian, Utilitarian, even Objectionism believe in some form of the golden rule as it applies in Natural Law. In fact Kantian ethics are derrived totally from it.

"You haven't been able to find that situation among the contributors of SwampBubbles, let alone an entire city." um... yes I do.

I expect people to challenge me and my beliefs on here. If I cannot defend my position I must therefore rethink it. Sometimes I am forced to rethink it even if I can defend it. That allows me to better examine my beliefs. It makes me more principled and well-rounded.

I treat everyone on here that same way if they are willing to engage in the challenge. Without challenge and force there can be no movement forward. Without movement, time stops.

MikeyA

"I wouldn't elect a Satan worshiper nor an Islamic, and in fact I'd prohibit these people from holding public office if I could"

Sorry Jack, you lost me there. For someone who defends the SA with such ferocity, you're a little weak on the 1st. I see this is going to take more time...

Pink Slip

I couldn't care less about family values. What I think we need to be concerned about is whether or not the next person has everyone else's best interest in mind. Complete selflessness and a desire to do what needs to be done, even if he or she doesn't necessarily agree with it personally. The personal preferences of the next mayor are not of any consequence to anybody, as long as the people get what they should get in a timely manner.

To believe or not believe in family values is surely your right and I respect all of your rights. But lets face the reality, our current mayor has few if any family values and look where we are.

From LauralBloom: To believe or not believe in family values is surely your right and I respect all of your rights.

Stable dressing. I haven't seen a single iota of respect given by you to anyone who dares disagree with you.

From LauralBloom: But lets face the reality, our current mayor has few if any family values and look where we are.

Again, whose family are you referring to? You contradict yourself more than any other politico I've heard in recent history, and that includes Tricky Dick, Mr. Iran-Contra of 1986, Slick Willie & Hitlary, King George I, King George II and The Anointed One. You spout more innuendo than Tip O'Neal and Newt Gingrich combined, then you try and weasel out of your half-baked rhetoric as soon as anyone requires facts instead of feelings.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Temper, temper, MadJack. You are right. I do dribble out a lot of innuendo, but in this day and age one must be careful or they might find themselves in the middle of a costly lawsuit. Somone else called me Polyanna. I will admit this, however. I am subversive, but in a good way. MadJack, you need to believe in the super natural, my friend. Trust me, it exists.

Instead of being so concerned with family values, maybe we should worry more about investing in education and teachers. Just an observation from someone who thinks the spelling here is atrocious.

We need to know if a candidate is a substance abuser, a spouse abuser, leads a controversal lifestyle, is an alchoholic, is a felon, is a racist, has a gambling problem, excetera, excetera, excetera

The part that bothers me about this statement is the controversial lifestyle. Who decides what is controversial and what is not. Who decides what is right and wrong?

"Who decides what is right and wrong?"

That's a trick question. The real answer is that we DON'T need to make those decisions. People who are at liberty, should not be judged. We don't need to decide on the morality of, say, homosexual marriage. People are NATURALLY seized of their ability to marry under whatever religion they are a part of. And that INCLUDES the ability to marry more than one spouse (i.e. polygamy).

The REAL decision we have to make in a society supposedly founded on INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY is to decide to either tolerate other people's differing practices, or to instead decide to toss liberty away and stick our noses into their lives. Obviously I want to see the FORMER.

I agree with what guestzero is saying and would also like to add that moral issues are not normally decided at the city level, so we don't need to be so concerned with the personal moral beliefs of the next mayor. As long as the next mayor puts our needs first, who cares whether or not he is pro-life, or anti-gun. The mayor doesn't decide these rules or laws so who cares. Give me somebody who cares about the city's best interest and we will all be better off.

I agree with what guestzero is saying and would also like to add that moral issues are not normally decided at the city level, so we don't need to be so concerned with the personal moral beliefs of the next mayor. As long as the next mayor puts our needs first, who cares whether or not he is pro-life, or anti-gun. The mayor doesn't decide these rules or laws so who cares. Give me somebody who cares about the city's best interest and we will all be better off.

The law decides what is right or wrong until the laws are changed. I can only tell you what I think is a controversial life style. Examples: Forcing your children to live in cages would be a controversial lifestyle. Mooning traffic in front of your house would be a controversial life style. Digging and scratching at a buffet would be a controversial life style. These are some of my ideas. I'm sure others may have different ideas about varrious things.

Yes the law does decide what is right or wrong, but being an alcoholic isn't illegal, not does having a gambling problem, substance abuse isn't even nessisarily illegal depending on the substance. However mooning people, scratching and digging at a buffet, however, i wouldn't consider that a lifestyle, i consider that rude and disgusting. And locking kids in cages thats just plain wacked out not controversial. (in my opinion)

So again, would mind clairifying further by what YOU personally consider a controversial lifestyle.

"Mooning people" only falls under the heading of 'public disturbance' since there are laws against nakedness. But being NAKED is one of the the most natural Human rights we have. We arrive naked in the world and there's no shame in it. So your example is specious; mooning people should be legal since nakedness should be legal. Men and women can wear so little via briefs or bikinis that what's left to the imagination is moot anyway. Those last scraps of cloth are not a real line of defense.

"Locking kids in cages" is a violation of Human rights, however. Try to remember what liberty really means.

Would you consider same sex relationships as a "controversial" lifestyle?

Personally, shanesmiff was correct in saying that we need someone who is going to put our welfare first. We need someone who is NOT power hungry, not in a political family, not recycled from different political offices. We need someone who CARES!

A person can marry an amadillo for all I care. And I agree with tm we need people in office who put our welefare first, but lets face it, we live in a nation of rules. Some of those rules are laws and some are accepted rules of behavior. No one should be forced to behave according to my rules, but it they don't, I have a personal choice not to associate with them or vote for them. So when a candidate comes up to the microphone during a political debate dressed in a little princess pink tutu and ballet slippers, I probably won't take them seriously and I will vote for someone else.

So, Laura, you wouldn't have a problem with an openly gay mayor? One in a long-term, committed relationship? Or how about a person of color in a relationship with a white person? Seeing as how there are no armadillo-marrying types in Toledo (that I know of), or folks who moon people from their porch running for mayor, I am wondering what you really meant by controversial lifestyle.

I'd also like to know what you meant by "digging and scratching at a buffet."

I don't have a problem with an openly gay person, and, if you knew me well, you would know why. I don't have a problem with interacial relationships, and, if you knew me well, you would know why. I do have a problem with people who are thieves, liars, rapists, child molestors, spouse beaters, religiously intolerant, have orgies with unwilling co-workers, commit fraud, abusive to people, and probably a few other things I can't think of at the moment. Digging and scratching at a buffet is a humorous metaphor. It defines those people who have no regard for the safety and well-being of other people. I hope this clarifies my position.

I agree with Martin Luther who once wrote, "I'd rather be governed by a smart Turk than a dumb Christian."

These days, it seems that far too many of our elected officials are just plain dumb regardless if they are "Turks" or Christians.

If they are so dumb, why do we keep electing the same type individuals. It doesn't say much for us as voters. We as citizens need to take a good look at the problems these people have created in the past and figure out why. It's easy. They lack character, and that's because they have very poor family values.

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