Toledo Tea Party A Blast

Congratulations to Tricia Lyons for putting together a sucessful Tea Party in Toledo today. At least 1,000 people showed up to listen to speakers and mingle with like minded individuals. I was there for about an hour and saw a cross section of men, women, young, old, black, white, hispanic, disabled, blue collar, white collar, and retired people. I looked very closely for signs of right wing extremists but they are so freakin' hard to spot nowdays I'm not sure any were there.
Good to know though that the city had three police cars to spare to keep an eye on things in case these radicals got out of hand. They were sitting in front of the entrance to the beautiful new marina district, so it's hard to know what they could see from across the street and down the hill.
The march to One Government Center looked impressive on TV since it's so hard to convince Toledoans to walk anywhere most days.
Pictures and videos of the event are loaded here http://www.wspd.com/cc-common/gallery/display.html?album_id=173874
I fully expect wolfman and others to contribute thier witty postings below, but unless they were there it means nothing but more noise from an uninformed and uninvolved few.
By they way, from the office of Gerald Dendinger: I hereby determine that the petitions are not insufficient due to lack of Ohio R.C. 3501.38(J) language. Both Adam Loukx and Donald McTigue have given the same opinion.
Let the sniping begin, and be sure to include the type of car I drive because it is so relevant to the dialogue.

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Wolfman wonders with the multitude of multicolored flags he didn't see the confederate flag a flying? With the squeaky clean Caucasian race well represented one would think the confederate flag would at least be represented. No sign of minorities in attendance http://www.wspd.com/cc-common/gallery/display.html?album_id=173874 does this group represent the America we all know? Ratings of Prez Obama still fly at over the 60% job approval still beating the previous occupant by 30 points. . Does right wing extremist radio represent all Americans or just those that corporate America deem worthy? Do these stunt men really believe all blame can be affixed to a president in office for three months? Do they feel the public's collective memory to be so short? This is what happens when one narrow special interest group run roughshod over the general populous. Myopic group think flamed by a well funded media source to feed the angry ditto heads. As the global economy forces more and more Americans to compete with lower wage economies the American dream as we knew it gets further out of reach for these angry souls. So blame someone and that is where right wing extremist radio leads its flock.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Damn shame we can't get government money like ACORN.

Then we could have an affirmative action program and hire folks to agitate and demonstrate just like the left wing outfits.

"Wolfman wonders with the multitude of multicolored flags he didn't see the confederate flag a flying?"

You didnt? damn...

Note to self:

get a bigger flag
bleach robes
build a bigger cross
bring more gasoline

With the squeaky clean Caucasian race well represented one would think the confederate flag would at least be represented.

Yeah...you'd think....

but I also didnt see any:

Hezbulla flags, no hamas flags, no palistine flags, no mexican flags, no "death to isreal" signs, no "bush is a war criminal" signs, no guys dressed as nuns french kissing, no one flipping off the cameras, no one throwing urine or shit bags at cops, no fires, no windows broken,no body got tazzed, maced, or clubbed...not a liberal in the crowd....

No sign of minorities in attendance

Ah...you are a racist I see...you see the world in terms of groups based on appearances when in fact...the indivual is the smallest minority...but you dont see a group of individuals...you see a group...a group you hate...bacuase you are a bigot.

Thus...you are a victim of group think...rather than thinking as an individual...

Quite telling actually...

One differnce between Conservatives ans liberals...we think your just plain goofy...you hate our guts...I mean really...after only two days here it's quite obvious...

BTW... you obviously missed the gentleman of latin decent interviewed on channel 11

does this group represent the America we all know?

We?

You got a mouse in your pocket?(dont answer that)

Well lets see.....where they bussed in from canada?

Mexico maybe?

I didnt see any busses....maybe they walked?

Nope...I'm pretty sure there wasnt an illegal alien in the crowd bud...all americans...

Ratings of Prez Obama still fly at over the 60% job approval still beating the previous occupant by 30 points. .

And that matters much to you obviously....

Does right wing extremist radio represent all Americans

Allways with the negative waves....do you have that phrase taped to your monitor or something?

For the record....the phone number isnt a secret...and one of them is even toll free...here...419-240-1370

The really funny thing...you can actually call and get on the air...and have your say....it's crazy I know....

I'm pretty damn sure....as In I would bet a years pay (good money I assure you...union you know)

That Maggie, fred, and brian would GLADLY take your call....tell the screener you are wolfman and you'll get right on after the break...

The only stipulation...you cant monologue....it's not your show...you are a guest....it's a discussion...you talk....they talk...you talk...they talk.....it's really cool...

But...if want to monologue get your own damn show...the internet is free and you can set up your own station and rant all day on your own dime...

Or maybe you could guest host the Nooks show

But...you guys just cant do it....you try and talk over the host....dont respond to direct queries or diologue and sooner or later....you end up screaming in the phone and getting cut off...I mean...like a100 to 1...

Liberal calls are usually measured in seconds rather than minutes...and it's your own damn fault...

I've called maggie and had a long discussion where we disagreed on prevailing wage on school projects...

Although I felt I wasnt properly getting my point across...she certainly didnt cut me off....IIRC it was about TEN MINUTE CALL..

I'm sure she will remember as I was trying to get her to look up the track record on kentucky's elimination of prevailing wage on school constuction for years and then re-instating it because of spiraling construction costs.

I've called and taken issue with stuff Brian has said...

I've called and taken issue with stuff fred has said...

I used to call denny ...and scott...

And the public service that WSPD provides to instantly respond to an issue and use MY airwaves in invaluable....

You can write letters to the blah all the time and they print what they want...in over thirty years they have printed exaclty one of my letters...

and I'm pretty sure they shut down their communtiy forums becuase they didnt like instant negative feedback on biased stories...

See...this is what you fail to grasp...I can call the station to disagree in real time...or point out where to confirm a story....I call all the time just to tell the screener something to pass along...and they usually do...

I cant call and correct an inaccuarcy live on TV...or get my letter printed tommorrow in the blah....

You think it's rigged or something...but it's a free exchange of Ideals...but they generally wont fight an unarmed man....

This IS local control...and it's right at your finger tips....but your either a chickin shit or simply cannot find it in yourself to be polite and have an adult conversation...

And once again....IT'S A FREE COUNTRY...IF YOU DONT LIKE IT...GET OFF YOUR LAZY ASS AND TURN THE CHANNEL.

or just those that corporate America deem worthy?

See above:

Do these stunt men really believe all blame can be affixed to a president in office for three months?

You just dont get it....it's over your head...outside of your abilty to grasp the concept that it's about spending us into bankruptcy...doesnt matter WHO is doing it....I'm sure quite a few were protesting Obama...but the majority where protesting out of control spending...becuase we KNOW what is going to result....higher taxes for EVERYONE....

If you use electricty
If you use gasoline
If you buy food
If you buy clothes
If you smoke
If you have a car
If you have a house
If you borrow
If you lend
If you sell
If you rent

So Spare me the 95% crap when 40% dont pay now...

You think people are mad now?....wait till the REAL increases kick in...

Do they feel the public's collective memory to be so short?

So short of what?

Many people where against the first 350 billion bail out Bush did....the the other 350 billion Gietner pissed up against the wall was another slap...then he turns around and asked for a TRILLION.....then Obama propses a 3.2 TRILLION budget....

And you obviously have selective memory yourself or plain old delusion...

Democrats have had the majority in both houses since 06'

They maybe couldnt overide a veto..but they could have passed ANYTHING they wanted to...including FAnnie and freddie reform that started the whole damn mess...

Bush started grying for reform in 2003...the dems blocked it in committie with a couple RINOs'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

See the thing that really bugs you ..is that we DONT forget...

But I Dont expect you to actually address this video.

This is what happens when one narrow special interest group run roughshod over the general populous.

WHAT is what happens??

You made no point.

Pehaps people excersing their first amendment rights bothers you?

Or only people you disagree with?

Myopic group think flamed by a well funded media source to feed the angry ditto heads.

Blah blah blah...oh yeah...it's the Koch family....ohhhh...booga booga...

As the global economy forces more and more Americans to compete with lower wage economies

AND illegal immigrants

the American dream as we knew it gets further out of reach for these angry souls.

There you go again...who's WE?

I dont let others define my dreams or impead my progress in life...

I'm not in a group...I dont group think...

So blame someone and that is where right wing extremist radio leads its flock.

You have that ass backwards and 180 off there...

Local Talk radio is the MOST democratic form of modern communication to a mass auduience in real time...You are free to call and use your airwaves as I stated above....and If you are polite and a bit witty..you will have your say...try that with the blah or the TV station....

TV and print media talk AT you......talk radio yalks WITH you...a universal differnce...

And Talk radio...unless there is a breaking story...is usually about 12 to 24 hours behind the internet....

When rush comes on...the topic has alleady been discussed at lenth on the net....

(I know you radio guys dont like that....but it's a fact...the net is open for business 24/7/365...we allready talked about it all night while you where sleeping...except for fred the blearly eyed fru fru driver...like chuck norris....he doesnt sleep...he waits...)

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Oh...almost forgot...since you on a racist kick...you should enlighten yourself to the racist demorat past...

See...during the civil war...you know...the one where a republican president freed the slaves....there was a subversive group of people called Copperheads....otherwise known as "peace democrats"...right here in Ohio...

Gave lincoln a real hard time...they sympatised with the south, they owned newspapers, had peace marches, thought the war was an illegal invasion, thought Lincoln was a war criminal, urged Union solders to desert....basically a bunch of racist bastards.

Lincoln had to throw bunch of them in prison for sedition....SEDITION DURING THE WAR TO FREE SLAVES.

Here...read it for yourself if you dare...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copperheads

Gearge wallace?..that racist bastard?...democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace

Bull conor?the racist prick sherriff?...democrat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_Connor

Robert byrd esteemed democrat senator?...former KKK grand dragon...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd

My great gandfather got off the boat from scotland in 1890...so I dont owe anyone a damn thing...not an apology and certianly no "reparations"

My Black friends are all hard working family people who want the same things in life I do (yes they voted for obama)...a safe neighbood and get the hell out of my way and let me do it myself...

But if you are a registered democrat...you owe some of MY homies a few bucks....they are authenticly black...with real slave blood...they are not...as a liberal put it "a magic negro" like Obama

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.st...

So now it's time for the eye test.....how many fingers am I holding up?....

You see a group?...or an individual?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

What's the matter dogboy?..cat got your tounge all the sudden?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

"The government taxes you when you bring home a paycheck.
It taxes you when you make a phone call.
It taxes you when you turn on a light.
It taxes you when you sell a stock.
It taxes you when you fill your car with gas.
It taxes you when you ride a plane.
It taxes you when you get married.
Then it taxes you when you die.
This is taxual insanity and it must end."
-- J. C. Watts, Jr.
(1957- ) US Congressman from Oklahoma (R), former quarterback in the Canadian Football League
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/J..C..Watts.Quote.B6E8

My humble contribution to the Cause:

T-Town Tax Day Tea Party at International Park

Wolfman wonders with the multitude of multicolored flags he didn't see the confederate flag a flying? With the squeaky clean Caucasian race well represented one would think the confederate flag would at least be represented.

David Ben-Ariel wonders why 1) you apparently remain in the dark about all the Black confederates who fought for the South. Go educate yourself and let the truth set you free.
Black Confederates in the Civil War

2) Why such hateful and racist ignorance and stereotypes persist against people of White color who are proud of their heritage, who are not ashamed of their Roots, and who truly love their country - unlike those who blame America first, bow before foreigners and curse our country with their treacherous attitudes.

Hatred, discrimination, racism - against whites

Yeah, some blacks fought as confederates because massa was going cut their genitals off if they didn't.

Good to know though that the city had three police cars to spare to keep an eye on things in case these radicals got out of hand. They were sitting in front of the entrance to the beautiful new marina district, so it's hard to know what they could see from across the street and down the hill.

I saw it too and thought what a waste of taxpayers' money! It's not like these exemplary patriotic gatherings have any history of rioting and looting and other forms of primitive behavior those dependent on the Left are infamous for.

Educated and responsible people know how to express and conduct themselves, even vent steam at tea parties and such; disciplined folk who the Constitution and Republic demand upon.

I had the time of my life-pissing people like you off by going. Can't wait for the Fourth of July!!

Ok .....Fred..as both a staunch conservative...and a union man,..

You drive a weeniemoblie...in fact...a weiner moblie would be a step up...

There...I said it...

We now return you to your regularly schedualed dogboy rant.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Funny. I drive what I drive because I get 46 mpg each tank of gas. If Detroit can produce a car that I like that can do that, I would consider buying it. But since this is still America I get to decide what I buy and from whom. Now that's real individual think Zeitgeist.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Aw...c'mon....I'm razzing you....

I drive a Pontiac with a 35O ...on a god day I get maybe 10 in the city and almost double on the highway (if I'm drafting)

YOU CAN HAVE MY GAS GUZZLER WHEN YOU CAN PRY ME FROM THE HOT SMOKING WRECKAGE!!!!!

*SHAKES FIST*

The F-150 gets surprisingly good milage for a full size truck with a tritonV8 4.6 liter (289)..18/25

My bike gets about 50 MPG in city and around 70 on the highway....

I know you are senstitve about your litle toy car *grin* ...but I'm really worried about you safety....if you hit a guy on a ten speed or a baby duck or a speed bump a little to hard....you car would be totaled

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-GQcSOP2AzXU/jeff_dunham_spark_of_insani...

All in good fun.....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Yes Zeitgeist I've brought this to Fred's attention before. Better to drive a Toledo built Jeep than a non domestic Toyota Prius. Safety is of a real concern plus he could support Toledo manufacturing employees that support the city of Toledo who pay for fixing the pot holes and also support the Toledo Police...you know Fred's friend Dan Wagner TPPA president. He would be supporting his friends on the Toledo police department and his fellow union brothers on the fire department.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Ah...dogboy yelps....

Sarcasm is a second language for you I see...

I really dont care what Fred drives....he has as much right to drive a prius as I do a car with a trunk big enough to fit a prius IN...

I'm just kiddin around...while you appear quite serious about what fred drives.....and yet you still havent addressed what secretary Geitner drives...

So why do you go up and reply to the serious posts I made....and check out those copperheads and embrace your racist history....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Wolf, you've given me a lot to think about. In fact I went ahead and checked the safety rating for the two cars I own. One a Toyota Prius made in Japan, the other a Plymouth Breeze American made. The Prius recieved 4 and 5 star ratings for safety from the NHTSA, the Breeze had a two star, 2- 3 stars, and one 4 star rating. Looks like my wife will be driving the Breeze from now on.
I want to thank wolf for opening my eyes to the safety rating of the Prius and the Breeze. If it saves just one life it will be worth it.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

The bonus is they can bury you in it....

*rimshot*

*snicker*

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Fred said--"I was there for about an hour and saw a cross section of men, women, young, old, black, white, hispanic, disabled, blue collar, white collar, and retired people."

Hey Fred, do you consider the African Americans that attended to be "slaves to the state"? Or is that just reserved to those that vote Democrat?

Seriously though, I'm glad the conservative pity-party went well...

Pink Slip

This wasn't a conservative thing as you have been told by CNN and The Blade, or whatever BS 'news' source you have spoon feeding you.

This was about AMERICANS who are fed up with Government, and the reckless spending, be it Republican or Democrat, Conservative or Liberal.

Pink, if you have had enough of Gov spending your money on Bailouts and "Stimulus", you are welcome to join us next time.

I doubt you will though. You have the mentality of us vs. them. You could be the poster boy for what is wrong with America.

Well, tea parties across were funded and organized by conservative organizations, they were given free advertising and promotion from Fox, at least 70 Republican members of Congress spoke at these events (zero Democrats), the tone was decidedly anti-Obama....yeah, really bipartisan.

"You have the mentality of us vs. them"

Ha, a quick look at some of your past comments on this site show a clear one-sidedness. You haven't portrayed a real independent/centrist point of view.

Pink Slip

Oh lookie...code pink is razzing peeps for being partisan.....LMAO...

Mr kettle...you table for one is ready...whine list is on the table...on the menu tonight is crow...

Ted Nugent and Chuck norris are on my side....

Al franken and Barney Frank are on your side...

I kinda feel bad for you....

ah ...it passed...musta been gas...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I have posted some photos on my blog: http://mikebriceblog.com

If you are in the photos, and want the digital file, you can e-mail me through the site's contact form and I'll let you know how you can download the file for free.

Ive kind of been following these Tea parties on a high level - there are many, many of them in smaller cities that Im sure Ive not heard of, but there's something Im seeing...

There have been literally hundreds of thousands of people at these rallys. Hundreds of thousands of REALLY PISSED OFF PEOPLE.

Im wondering where the car being tipped over are? The arson? The looting that you see at other protests?

I haven't seen any offical results, but the numbers I have seen suggests that there much closer to 100,000 then several hundred thousand.

Hell Obama had multiply 100k+rallies when he was running.

I believe there is a certain 'populism' aspect to these 'tea parties' that cross political lines, but I'm willing to bet a breakdown between, say, of McCain/Obama voters from last fall would chart at about a 90/10 percentage among those attending these rallies.

I also can't help wondering if Bush or any other Republican would currently be in the White House if conservative outlets like WSPD would have been so busy-as-beavers promoting these rallies and railing against the deficits/bailouts as they have all these many weeks.

I think I know the answer.

This is EXACTLY what is going on!!! Good find UPSO!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Sorry Keith Olbermann = Rush Limbaugh of the left.

Political Championship Wrestling- putting politics in proper perspective by presenting it as pro wrestling.

Coming in January, a political satire about the sorry state of American Politics- Jesusland vs. Progressiveville.

Right....that would explain all the hefty criticism that Olbermann has doled out for Obama recently (and rightly so). Did Rush ever criticize Bush?

Pink Slip

Olbermann = Liberal
Rush = Republican

There is a big difference...

I wouldn't necessarily know that answer since I don't listen to Rush.

Let's put it this way, MSNBC putting Olbermann on as an anchor for election coverage would be the same as Fox News making Ann Coulter an anchor.

Olbermann and the other Angry Left Wing elitist..err...bloggers are just as much of the problem as Rush, Coulter etal are. Arianna Huffington went from being a rich, elitist right-wing extremists to a rich, elitist left-wing elitist.

The common denominator here is this: these people don't care about the problems the working poor and middle America continue to face. All they care about is being right and proving the other side wrong. Meanwhile, the extra $25 every two weeks the stimulus 'gives me' err...lets me keep out of my paycheck STILL doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living and flat-lining wages. And guess what, neither Olbermann or Limbaugh care- all they want to do is win the argument.

So I'll say it again- Olbermann, Limbaugh. Pre-law. Pre-med. Same thing.

Political Championship Wrestling- putting politics in proper perspective by presenting it as pro wrestling.

Coming in January, a political satire about the sorry state of American Politics- Jesusland vs. Progressiveville.

The common denominator here is this: these people don't care about the problems the working poor and middle America continue to face. All they care about is being right and proving the other side wrong. Meanwhile, the extra $25 every two weeks the stimulus 'gives me' err...lets me keep out of my paycheck STILL doesn't keep up with the rising cost of living and flat-lining wages. And guess what, neither Olbermann or Limbaugh care- all they want to do is win the argument.

This is the most intelligent statement on this entire thread and completely overlooked by the majority of the participants.

"I believe there is a certain 'populism' aspect"

I can think of nothing more "populist" than claiming or allowing people to believe that a politician is "the messiah", to redeem us from all that's wrong with America.

"...should the leader allow himself to succumb to the wishes of those he leads, who will always seek to turn him into an idol, then the image of the leader will become the image of the misleader. This is the leader who makes an idol of himself and of his office, and who thus mocks God." -- Dietrich Bonhoeffer in radio address of The Younger Generation's Changed View of the Concept of Fuehrer. 

It should be noted that Bonhoeffer was not able to finish his speech because his government cut him off.   Which is much like the situation we find ourselves in today, here in the "land of the free, home of the brave."

Your post makes me believe this really is all about Obama...I thought that wasn't supposed to be the case with all these 'Tea Parties'?

Nobody ever said it was about Obama. What was said is that "both parties are to blame." What people have said is that it not limited to just Obama alone. The main point of the tea party is that we are not just a "chattering class."

The context of this discussion was about populism, which you brought up. I merely responded to show that if you're going to reject populism, then to be consistent, you must also reject the populist actions of Obama.

In general, Conservatives stand on the principle that wrong is wrong regardless of one's party.

Re-read my comment. Where did I say or imply that I 'reject' populism as it pertains to the 'tea parties' or believe it to be something negative?

I have no earthly idea how you could draw the conclusion you did.

Toss way your stereotypes based on the name of poster you're commenting on.

Why would we reject populism, especially from elected officials?

Pink Slip

National socialists.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

huh?

Pink Slip

The tea parties are a joke, I think. Good intentions about rebelling against corporate greed & bad govt, and showing how pissed we all are about the mess the financial district, banks, wall street have put this country in - furious at the bailouts, wall street & finance industry, ceo's walk away with billions of dollars in bonuses for doing a shitty job - bonuses paid for with tax payer money - I GET the fury & the mindset that maybe fueled the idea for the tea parties. But they are so unorganized, and have nothing to do with intentions of the original Boston Tea Party - which was akin to protesting our version of Walmart while detroying small businesses in the process, and taxation without representation.

While there are many political parties involved in some of these protests, by & large, they are republican fueled, anti Obama, raging against tax hikes (what tax hikes have happened? Unless you earn over $250,000 a year, you got a tax cut, not an increase - and if you look at the people at these tea parties, my guess is very few of them earn even a fraction of 250 K, meaning, they do better tax wise WITH Obama, than they did with Bush). Obama raised taxes on the wealthy buy a few points - under Reagan & Eisenhower, the tax on the rich was about 80 or 90 percent - Obama raised it from about 32 to 35 percent or something like that - butt it only a tax on the very wealthy, and not forever - it is to help stop the bleeding of this country by those who will feel it the least, by those who have been hiding money their entire careers & getting crazy tax breaks. Think of people like Trump, or even Obama - they are the ones who will be affected by the tax increase - NOT the idiots at the tea parties who I bet few of them even earn even 50 K a year.

Kind of off topic, but similar bent - why should the extremely wealthy people be allowed to collect social security when they're extremely wealthy anyway & the SS checks are chump change to them? Imagine how much money the govt can get by just this small tax hike on the wealthy & preventing people who earn over 300 K a year from collecting SS? Just my own personal gripe - nothing to do with the tea parties. (and how would that be worse than how the govt taxes tobacco to pay for poor kids health care?)

At first blush, I thought the tea parties sounded cool, but something didn't feel right about them - they were non-sensical as compared to the original Boston Tea Party. These Tea Parties seem very unorganized, given the signs they carry - no main focus on what they're ranting about. Why were't they protesting like this over Bush & the Iraq war money spent & lives lost? Where were their signs when Bush handed out the first bailout?

It seems like with Rush, it's just another way to bash Obama - not for political reasons (much of this crap began long before Obama) - but more just because of a hate for Obama & democrats in general. Nobody seems to have any better idea of what Obama should do to try to repair this country - he inherited a nightmare of a mess left by the last 8 years of Bush, and the last 30 years of Reagan's de regulation of the financial industry & NAFTA.

From what I"ve seen about the various Tea Party protests across the country, I wonder if the signs people are holding should just read "I AM STUPID".

"Why were't they protesting like this over Bush & the Iraq war money spent & lives lost?"
Don't you remember they were (2001and on) all over the country the Fox News and Clear Channel were whipping up support for the "patriotic" war. Glen Beck was holding "Teary eyed shows" all over the country for the 10 billion-a-month war. Look at all the money wasted on this dumb war. Now the country is broke borrowing money from any country with a positive trade deficit (thank you free traders). And so it goes its all Obamas fault...give me a break!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Why werent individuals like me out there?

Because this is how the left was busy "supporting the troops"....

http://www.capveterans.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/shoot_...

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“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Sorry this is long, but it's interesting to history buffs.

The Real Boston Tea Party was Against the Wal-Mart of the 1770s
Below is an article written by Thom Hartman, of CNN radio. He made the excellent point recently that the very people who are protesting at these tea parties, were the same ones who protested the exact opposite when Bush was President (about many things - the tea parties seem to be protesting many things, no organization to speak of - the Patriot Act, banking regulations, etc.) I found it interesting too, that on wikipedia, the tea party movement is equated with the Libertarian Party - NOT the republican party. The current tea parties seem to be a mix of just pissed off people - each protesting their own things, unorganized to say the least - and they are grossly inflating the attendance at these protests. Just seems like a lot of angry, rowdy people who are looking for an opportunity to shoot their mouths off & wave signs.

Thom Hartman -
CNBC Correspondent Rick Santelli called for a “Chicago Tea Party” on Feb 19th in protesting President Obama’s plan to help homeowners in trouble. Santelli’s call was answered by the right-wing group Freedomworks, which funds campaigns promoting big business interests, and is the opposite of what the real Boston Tea Party was. FreedomWorks was funded in 2004 by Dick Army (former Republican House Majority leader & lobbyist); consolidated Citizens for a Sound Economy, funded by the Koch family; and Empower America, a lobbying firm, that had fought against healthcare and minimum-wage efforts while hailing deregulation.

Anti-tax “tea party” organizers are delivering one million tea bags to a Washington, D.C., park Wednesday morning – to promote protests across the country by people they say are fed up with high taxes and excess spending.
The real Boston Tea Party was a protest against huge corporate tax cuts for the British East India Company, the largest trans-national corporation then in existence. This corporate tax cut threatened to decimate small Colonial businesses by helping the BEIC pull a Wal-Mart against small entrepreneurial tea shops, and individuals began a revolt that kicked-off a series of events that ended in the creation of The United States of America.
They covered their faces, massed in the streets, and destroyed the property of a giant global corporation. Declaring an end to global trade run by the East India Company that was destroying local economies, this small, masked minority started a revolution with an act of rebellion later called the Boston Tea Party.

That is how I tell the story of the Boston Tea Party, now that I have read a first-person account of it. While striving to understand my nation’s struggles against corporations, in a rare book store I came upon a first edition of “Retrospect of the Boston Tea Party with a Memoir of George R.T. Hewes, a Survivor of the Little Band of Patriots Who Drowned the Tea in Boston Harbor in 1773,” and I jumped at the chance to buy it. Because the identities of the Boston Tea Party participants were hidden (other than Samuel Adams) and all were sworn to secrecy for the next 50 years, this account is the only first-person account of the event by a participant that exists. As I read, I began to understand the true causes of the American Revolution.
I learned that the Boston Tea Party resembled in many ways the growing modern-day protests against transnational corporations and small-town efforts to protect themselves from chain-store retailers or factory farms. The Tea Party’s participants thought of themselves as protesters against the actions of the multinational East India Company.

Although schoolchildren are usually taught that the American Revolution was a rebellion against “taxation without representation,” akin to modern day conservative taxpayer revolts, in fact what led to the revolution was rage against a transnational corporation that, by the 1760s, dominated trade from China to India to the Caribbean, and controlled nearly all commerce to and from North America, with subsidies and special dispensation from the British crown.
Hewes notes: “The [East India] Company received permission to transport tea, free of all duty, from Great Britain to America…” allowing it to wipe out New England–based tea wholesalers and mom-and-pop stores and take over the tea business in all of America. “Hence,” wrote, “it was no longer the small vessels of private merchants, who went to vend tea for their own account in the ports of the colonies, but, on the contrary, ships of an enormous burthen, that transported immense quantities of this commodity … The colonies were now arrived at the decisive moment when they must cast the dye, and determine their course … ”

A pamphlet was circulated through the colonies called The Alarm and signed by an enigmatic “Rusticus.” One issue 0made clear the feelings of colonial Americans about England’s largest transnational corporation and it s behavior around the world: “Their Conduct in Asia, for some Years past, has given simple Proof, how little they regard the Laws of Nations, the Rights, Liberties, or Lives of Men. They have levied War, excited Rebellions, dethroned lawful Princes, and sacrificed Millions for the Sake of Gain. The Revenues of Mighty Kingdoms have entered their Coffers. And these not being sufficient to glut their Avarice, they have, by the most unparalleled Barbarities, Extortions, and Monopolies, stripped the miserable Inhabitants of their Property, and reduced whole Provinces to Indigence and Ruin. Fifteen hundred Thousands, it is said, perished by Famine in one Year, not because the Earth denied its Fruits; but [because] this Company and their Servants engulfed all the Necessaries of Life, and set them at so high a Price that the poor could not purchase them.”
After protesters had turned back the Company’s ships in Philadelphia and New York, Hewes writes, “In Boston t he general voice declared the time was come to face the storm.”

The citizens of the colonies were preparing to throw off one of the corporations that for almost 200 years had determined nearly every aspect of their lives through its economic and political power. They were planning to destroy the goods of the world’s largest multinational corporation, intimidate its employees, an d face down the guns of the government that supported it.
The queen’s corporation
The East India Company’s influence had always been pervasive in the colonies. Indeed, it was not the Puritans but the East India Company that founded America. The Puritans traveled to America on ships owned by the East India Company, which had already established the first colony in North America, at Jamestown, in the Company-owned Commonwealth of Virginia, stretching from the Atlantic Ocean to the Mississippi. The commonwealth was named after the “Virgin Queen,” Elizabeth, who had chartered the corporation.
Elizabeth was trying to make England a player in the new global trade sparked by the European “discovery” of the Americas. The wealth Spain began extracting from the New World caught the attention of the European powers. In many European countries, particularly Holland and France, consortiums were put together to finance ships to sail the seas. In 1580, Queen Elizabeth became the largest shareholder in The Golden Hind, a ship owned by Sir Francis Drake.

The investment worked out well for Queen Elizabeth. There’s no record of exactly how much she made when Drake paid her share of the Hind’s dividends to her, but it was undoubtedly vast, since Drake himself and the other minor shareholders all received a 5000 percent return on their investment. Plus, because the queen placed a maximum loss to the initial investors of their investment=0 Amount only, it was a low-risk investment (for the investors at least—creditors, such as suppliers of provisions for the voyages or wood for the ships, or employees, for example, would be left unpaid if the venture failed, just as in a modern-day corporation). She was endorsing an investment model that led to the modern limited-liability corporation.

After making a fortune on Drake’s expeditions, Elizabeth started looking for a more permanent arrangement. She authorized a group of 218 London merchants and noblemen to form a corporation. The East India Company was born on December 31, 1600.
By the 1760s, the East India Company’s power had grown massive and worldwide. However, this rapid expansion, trying to keep ahead of the Dutch trading companies, was a mixed blessing, as the company went deep in debt to support its growth, and by 1770 found itself nearly bankrupt.
The company turned to a strategy that multinational corporations follow to this day: They lobbied for laws that would make it easy for them to put their small-business competitors out of business.
Most of the members of the British government and royalty (including the king) were stockholders in the East India Company, so it was easy to get laws passed in its interests. Among the Company’s biggest and most vexing problems were American colonial entrepreneurs, who ran their own small ships to bring tea and other goods directly into America without routing them through Britain or through the Company. Between 1681 and 1773, a series of laws were passed granting the Company monopoly on tea sold in the American colonies and exempting it from tea taxes. Thus, the Company was able to lower its tea prices to undercut the prices of the local importers and the small tea houses in every town in America. But the colonists were unappreciative of their colonies being used as a profit center for the multinational corporation.
Boston’s million-dollar tea party.

And so, Hewes says, on a cold November evening of 1773, the first of the East India Company’s ships of tax-free tea arrived. The next morning, a pamphlet was widely circulated calling on patriots to meet at Faneuil Hall to discuss resistance to the East India Company and its tea. “Things thus appeared to be hastening to a disastrous issue. The people of the country arrived in great numbers, the inhabitants of the town assembled. This assembly, on the 16th of December 1773, was the most numerous ever known, there being more than 2000 from the country present,” said Hewes.
The group called for a vote on whether to oppose the landing of the tea. The vote was unanimously affirmative, and it is related by one historian of that scene “that a person disguised after the manner of the Indians, who was in the gallery, shouted at this juncture, the cry of war; and that the meeting dissolved in the twinkling of an eye, and the multitude rushed in a mass to Griffin’s wharf.”
That night, Hewes dressed as an Indian, blackening his face with coal dust, and joined crowds of other men in hacking apart the chests of tea and throwing them into the harbor. In all, the 342 chests of tea—over 90,000 pounds—thrown overboard that night were enough to make 24 million cups of tea and were valued by the East India Company at 9,659 Pounds Sterling or, in today’s currency, just over $1 million.

In response, the British Parliament immediately passed the Boston Port Act stating that the port of Boston would be closed until the citizens of Boston reimbursed the East India Company for the tea they had destroyed. The colonists refused. A year and a half later, the colonists would again state their defiance of the East India Company and Great Britain by taking on British troops in an armed conflict at Lexington and Concord (the “shots heard ’round the world”) on April 19, 1775.

That war—finally triggered by a transnational corporation and its government patrons trying to deny American colonists a fair and competitive local marketplace—would end with independence for the colonies.
The revolutionaries had put the E ast India Company in its place with the Boston Tea Party, and that, they thought, was the end of that. Unfortunately, the Boston Tea Party was not the end; within 150 years, during the so-called Gilded Age, powerful rail, steel, and oil interests would rise up to begin a new form of oligarchy, capturing the newly-formed Republican Party in the 1880s, and have been working to establish a permanent wealthy and ruling class in this country ever since.

So British East India Company = Wal-Mart. Alrighty then.

This is asinine on so many levels it's hard to know where to start.

I'm not a fan of these stupid tea parties either but that comparison was an epic fail.

I agree with most of this but a comparison of then and now is problematic. Back then you didn't have a media usurping movements such as these. Right wing media will angle and distort to protect the very monied people who are causing our problems. Why is it that nothing ever changes doesn't matter who is elected the same crap happens. So my biggest complaint with this "Tea Party" is it is being promoted by cynical people angling to regain advantage for the elite of this country. The 2% control us and don't you forget it!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Well..you made it to the Third sentence this time to blame "right wing media"....I'm seeing progress...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Hmm..how is this a bad comparison? They were (are) big corporations of their day

Pink Slip

You know....I bet some of those guys were freemasons too...and christian....and white...

Radical fundie christian corporate terrorist mercinary supremisists....yeah yeah...

AND they dressed up as indians...(oh...sorry)...native Americans....maybe the tribes should sue for defamation....and England can sue for reparations and get it's land back...

They threw stuff in the harbor...definately an EPA violation...I think the Govt should go after the assets of all their decendants....

And they werent Union dock workers...so the longshoreman unions would have sued for an injunction....

And I'm pretty sure they didnt have a protest permit either.....

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former" Albert Einstein .

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

You know....I bet some of those guys were freemasons too...and christian....and white...

Here, Sir!

I'm pretty sure that they were just Indians back then. Later on they became Native Americans, or Amerinds, or something.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Maybe the only similarity is that both were large corporations.

Here a few starter points. Others are out there in the Googleverse.

- BEIC was formed by the government via a royal charter. Wal-Mart was not formed by the US government in any way that I am aware of.
- BEIC had royal patronage which enabled it to gain its colonial monopolies through tax exemptions and other perks derived from its favored status. To my knowledge Wal-Mart does not have a similar relationship with the US government.
- Wal-Mart is dominant in retail but they have nothing like the monopoly BEIC had going.
- BEIC engaged in actual warfare and helped to conquer India, and then ended up running the entire country for the king. I guess Wal-Mart could be accused of some type of economic warfare, but as far as I know they do not have an actual armed force that is prepared to militarily conquer and subjugate a country.

It's easy enough to ridicule the idiotic tea parties without taking a cheap shot at one of the (apparently) few US companies that is still successful.

"Maybe the only similarity is that both were large corporations"

I could be wrong, but I don't think the article makes any other comparison beyond that. I wouldn't consider it a cheapshot against Wal-Mart. Corporations do whatever they can to make as much money as possible. As the wise Dennis Green said "They are who we thought they were".

Pink Slip

I missed the vitally important point in my comment - it is NOT that it as a "corporation," but that it enjoyed exclusive "subsidies and special dispensation from the British crown," and that they were given special "permission ... free of all duty."

It is NOT BUSINESS AT FAULT. It is GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION IN BUSINESS.

What made the East India Company evil wasn't that it was a big "corporation" (apparently, according to this article, to be equated with Wal-Mart). What made it evil was the fact that the government (the British crown) gave it special powers and exemptions and protections that normal free trade would not have given it. It wasn't a monopoly because it was so damn good at what it did and everyone wanted to spend their money with them, but rather a monopoly because the British government (and all of its guns and troops and ships) MADE it into a monopoly (no doubt because of all the money they collected for doing so).

The tea parties are getting attention only by the conservative media, who are overestimating their importance. These tea parties consist of poor conservative losers who still can't fathom that Obama, an intellegent, articulate, charismatic Democrat, won the presidency and is committed to changing the world for the better for the working class. Bush ran this country, and the world, into the ground, the worst president ever. At the end of his term, there was nothing left for him to destroy. Now Obama has to clean up his mess, and, in the process, has a chance to put his liberal agenda in place. My advice for Fred and his delusional supporters is GET OVER IT. You, Rush and other right wing blowhards are now politically irrelevant. Obama won and he's going to be president for a very very long time.

The tea parties are getting attention only by the colonial media, who are overestimating their importance.

These tea parties consist of poor colonial losers who still can't fathom that King george, an intellegent, articulate, charismatic ruler, assended to the throne, and is committed to changing the world for the better for the colonies.

Your governors ran these colonies, and the world, into the ground, the worst govenors ever. At the end of their terms, there was nothing left for them to destroy.

Now King george has to clean up Their mess, and, in the process, has a chance to put his agenda in place

. My advice for First Continental Congress and it's delusional supporters is GET OVER IT. You, and the other colonial blowhards are now politically irrelevant.

King geroge rules and he's going to be King for a very very long time.

Sincerly,
Lord Riley circ.1774

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Ah...I love word puzzles...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

It'd help if ya had the name correct.

King George took his destruction with him when he left Washington DC on January 20th.

It's all up to King Barack to clean the mess.

Eh...I plugged that in...but it conflicted with the theme...

I figured you would pick up on the governor=Bush thing...

*cheesy grin*

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I don't fault Walmart for it's success - but rather,. I think the founder of Walmart may be turning in his grave at how it became successful - by selling things made in China for the most part. I'm not familiar with Walmart - never been in one in my life, but I seem to recall reading it's founder had a vision of what it should be, and he achieved that - but I think it's not quite what he had in mind (since his death).

During the Great Depression, this country was a big manufacturing base - that is no longer the case. Due to sending jobs & buying products overseas to make more money, our country seems to only manufacture debt anymore. I don't know - maybe it's just the sign of the times & debt is what our main product will be. Until this country can reclaim those lost jobs & begin to manufacture & sell products made in the USA again, I honestly don't think this country will ever be what it used to be.

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