Republican Mike Bell?

The street is buzzing like Jim Moody's cell phone with talk of Mike Bell running for Mayor as a Republican. Ex-Mayor Donna Owens is advising Bell and ex-GOP boss Bob Reichert and party financier Bob Hadley are hosting regular meetings of Bell supporters (including Betty Shultz) at Reichert’s Dorr Street Cafe. Some believe that Bell is looking at the Mayor's race as a launching pad for a run for statewide office and sees the Republican Party as the most logical vehicle for his ambitions.

Should Bell run as a Republican?

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Toledo's elected city officials run on a nonpartisan ballot without identification of party. That's how you can have two Democrats running against each other in the November election.

Although most, if not all, candidates run with a declaration of their party affiliation and endorsement, it's not required.

If Mike Bell has never voted in a partisan primary election or signed a petition for a candidate in a partisan primary election or declared himself to be a candidate in a partisan primary election, then he's never officially declared a party under Ohio election law.

In other words he could possibly run as a "stealth" candidate.

Have any of you met him? I did once, and he talked quite a bit about being responsible for ones' self and family, about taking advantage of various situations like tuition programs, continuing education programs, being an active community member, and the value of having a spiritual foundation in your life. The democrats won't touch him with a ten foot pole. He has my vote, no matter what he runs as.

If Bell runs as a Republican, he will lose. It's that simple for Toledo politics. Toledoans have been trained to be majority-Democrat voters no matter what happens within Democrat ranks.

I agree with the poster SpeedRacer. Anyone looking to avoid the establishment should run as an independent.

He should run as a dem. The republican minority here in town is used to not having an "R" to vote for.

He should run as an independant or a dem.

I'd vote for him no matter what - like G-man said, ive met him and liked what I heard him said.

He will have an uphill battle, seeing as he's not Union owned/operated.

thanks for posting.

I worked with Mike Bell for two years. He's one of the finest individuals I've ever known.

regardless of affiliation.

Having had a professional relationship with him I've found him to be a stand up guy. He could run as a Communist and he'd get my vote. But.... I don't vote in Toledo, just Lucas County.

MikeyA

it would seriously give the Republican Party in Lucas County a shot in the arm.

He is already a serious contender for the office. Like so many have already said, he is a "stand up guy", "..finest individuals I've ever known" etc.

Possibly the first time in years the Lucas County Republican Party would have a viable candidate.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Yes, he's a great guy, thats not a question.

The question is, just what kind of Republican is he? A true fiscal and social conservative, or a C-Team Democrat? I'm tired of RINO's like Sarantou. Heck the last time I saw Sarantou in the UT Homecoming Parade, he was in a Jeep that had a "Teamsters For Kerry" sticker on it!

If Mike Bell is a real Republican, I'm listening. If he's another Lucas County RINO, forget it. Remember, even Carty was a Republican at one time!

I have met Mike Bell a few brief times, and he strikes me as a smart and decent person. This, of course, begs the question as to why he would get into politics (just kidding...sort of).

He was a voice of reason during the North Toledo riots, walking out to talk to the anti-Nazi crowd after all hell broke loose. He has both street credibility and bureaucratic credibility, and he is young enough to bring energy to the job as mayor.

Still, it has been over 20 years since a Republican won the mayor's office, and the post-Noe party baggage still lingers. He would be facing either Finkbeiner or Wilkowski, and who knows how Moody's campaign will change the dynamics. We could also wind up with another Dem-Dem runoff if Finkbeiner and Wilkowski finish 1-2, with Moody and Bell splitting the GOP/independent votes and cancelling each other out.

Then there is the Ben Konop factor, which could bode well for Bell if there are three bigger-name Democrats slaughtering each other in the primary.

My crystal ball is too fuzzy right now...

I'm surprised that we haven't heard comments like "token" or the like on here that we heard when Mike Steele took over the Republican party.

MikeyA

street cred is that? And what did he do at the Riot? I was out of town that weekend and don't remember any reports of Mike Bell walking out to talk to the rioters. Did I miss something.

Instead of the police overreaction - which in my opinion turned a relatively peaceful protest into a riot after the tear gas cannisters, flash bang grenades, and wooden kneeknocker pellets got fired - Chief Bell and Mayor Ford walked out into the crowd and talked to people to help bring an end to the violence.

Read up, purnhrt. I stood ten feet away from him and watched the whole thing. In my opinion, the fact that no one threw rocks or bottles at him when he walked into the mob - unlike if the police tried to do the same - says something about Bell's street credibility. No helmet, no flak vest, no weapons: just a guy talking to folks on the street.

Now, admittedly the two or three dozen true idiots in the crowd continued the insanity, leading to the burning of the bar on the corner and the trashing of the gas station up the street, but Bell's presence brought some calm to an otherwise volatile situation that had been festering for over four hours before he walked out there.

You can read my my account of the North Toledo riot at this link, for what it is worth. I think that if Bell's approach had been first deployed when things got dicey - instead of the quasi-military response - the violence could have been averted (yes, I know that hindsight is 20/20). In my opinion, the sudden appearance of the shielded and helmeted riot police with all of their impressive pyrotechnics made things worse.

Besides, there is a weird mob psychology associated with riot cops with all of their protection. One argument is that this dehumanizes them, or makes them appear like robots. A rioter might not throw a brick at an officer in regular uniform, but when a cop comes along who looks like a Star Wars stormtrooper weighed down with kevlar and polycarbonate shielding, it turns the altercation into something like a video game.

Or so goes the thinking. I can't remember where I read this, and I am too tired to look up the citation.

So is the city ready to back an independant candidate, or does a politician need the $$ that would come from a party's backing?

Personally I think with all the crap that both parties have been pulling lately, an independant would be refreshing. That being said, I also dont thing it could happen.

There are too many people out there who just flat out refuse to listen to ANYBODY unless they first know what letter they have behind their name

Bell's a registered Democrat, his father, Norman Bell is also a rather well known Democrat. It'd be hard to argue that it would be beneficial to run as a Republican, considering the mayoral race is non-partisan...

Voter record information is public record...

We don't remember days only moments...

with revisionist history. As I was in Washington DC the weekend of the "riot" I just did not remember seeing that Mr. Bell went out into the crowd and all went quiet. What I remember from being told by people being there that Mayor Ford and whoever he was with did not get a warm reception from the crowd. I also do recall that Mansour Bey was also one of the people with Mayor Ford. I just did not remember Mr. Bell playing a big part in the "quelling" of the "riot."

I would have to talk to the people who I know were there and get their story. So I will get back at cha. :=)

'I would have to talk to the people who I know were there and get their story.'

You're already talking (well, blogging) with someone who was there (HM)

What, you haven't been around the block enough times on the local blogging scene for this person's credibility to be strong enough for you to take his word on what he saw and experienced?

You have a real knack for being your own worst enemy on here.

She throws her insults, waits for the remarks then acts like she did nothing wrong.

Perhaps one of the three strongest credible sources in the community, armed with pictures of Mike Bell talking with the crowd, slammed purnhrt's insulting insinuation: And what kind of..............
Submitted by purnhrt on Tue, 2009-03-10 23:44.
street cred is that? And what did he do at the Riot? I was out of town that weekend and don't remember any reports of Mike Bell walking out to talk to the rioters. Did I miss something.

You missed HistoryMike blogging online about the situation, purnhrt. But you could have accessed that information online while it was happening on Mike's site.

And this is the example I'm referring to:What I remember from being told by people being there that Mayor Ford and whoever he was with did not get a warm reception from the crowd. I also do recall that Mansour Bey was also one of the people with Mayor Ford.

So what does purnhrt state that she's going to do? I would have to talk to the people who I know were there and get their story. So I will get back at cha. :=)

She must not have believed them the first time.

R-i-i-ght. I covered the neo-Nazi rally from 8 am to 10 pm that day for the Free Press. I watched every minute of the day unfold, and I ate granola bars so as to not leave the scene and miss something.

If you want to take issue with my conclusions (i.e., riot police caused an escalation of tensions), that's fine, purnhrt. But don't insult me by claiming that what I saw with my own two eyes is somehow "revisionist history."

It's too bad I deleted thousands of photos from that day to clear up space on my hard drive, because I snapped a few pictures of Mike Bell that day and I would post them to "prove" Bell was there. The first time I saw him was about 10:00 am on Stickney near the north side of Woodrow Wilson park. I saw him on Mulberry and Central about 3:30, and then I saw him overseeing the fire department's efforts to put out the bar fire.

Also: I never said anything remotely close to "[Bell] went out into the crowd and all went quiet." I said he talked to the crowd, and I simultaneously acknowledged that the violent hooligans continued their destruction. I did say that had rational dialogue been tried first that the events might have unfolded differently.

Again, in my opinion, the crowd believed that the police were protecting the neo-Nazis, and that they were still in the park. Unfortunately, the information that the police canceled the racist rally and ordered the Nazi goons to leave did not make its way into the thousand or so people in the anti-Nazi crowd. They were convinced that all they had to do was march up Mulberry and they could kick some Nazi asses, and that all that stood between them and the Nazis was a thin line of police.

BTW - the Toledo Blade noted the same scene. Here is a quote from the Toledo Blade's riot coverage:

"Before sending in police in force to make arrests at around 3:30 p.m., Mayor Ford and Toledo Fire Department chief Mike Bell approached the mob and attempted to negotiate a compromise. But as they talked, and as the crowd yelled and screamed at them, looters broke into the bar at Central and Mulberry and began taking merchandise."

Is the Toledo Blade part of this "revisionist history" too, purnhrt?

I should add that not all of the crowd heckled Ford and Bell, and that this was limited to a couple dozen people about 30-40 yards away from the "negotiations." The people who were close were quiet and reasonable.

Of course, maybe this is just "historical revisionism" on my part, eh?

always think I am challenging your credibility? I have my opinions and you have yours, I have not called you any names although you have called me names.

You said- "He was a voice of reason during the North Toledo riots, walking out to talk to the anti-Nazi crowd after all hell broke loose. He has both street credibility and bureaucratic credibility, and he is young enough to bring energy to the job as mayor." I read more into it then what you meant.

But the fact that he walked out to talk to the crowd does not give him street "cred" nor does it make him a good candidate for mayor. In my opinion.

What I consider, notice I said "what I consider" to be revisionist history is to paint a picture that did not happen.

The picture that I got from your post is that Mr. Bell waded out into the hostile crowd and quieted that crowd. That is not what you said but that is the picture that I got. Maybe I am am dense as you say.

Mr. Bell was not the only person to talk to the crowd that day. His actions got as much of a response as would have happened if I walked out into the crowd to talk that day..

If you accuse someone with the pejorative "revisionist history" - especially someone who works as a historian and journalist - then you engaing in an insult.

Now, if you claim that you did not understand that "historical revisionism" can be interpreted as saying "liar," then I will end this discussion without further irritation. However, if you insist on sticking to the phrase, then you do so with the full understanding that you are deliberately being provocative and insulting.

(note: I am assuming that purnhrt is referring to the popular rhetorical trick of dismissing an opponent as a historical revisionist, and that she is not making a pedantic point about historical revisionism)

And the "dense" comment? Put it in context, please. I said: "You either have a short memory or you are being intentionally dense." The reason I said this is that the original thread back in October 2008 was rather lengthy, and I found it hard to believe that you did not recall the conversation.

pejorative? pedantic? Thank heavens for dictionary dot com!

I'd support Mr. Bell. A person doesn't get to be Fire Chief through malfeasance, nepotism or affirmative action.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Mr. Bell was not the only person to talk to the crowd that day. His actions got as much of a response as would have happened if I walked out into the crowd to talk that day..

You know this because of the time you spent in DC?

Listen, 1st of all Bell would be a good Mayor, He wouldn't scare people like Carty does, they would feel welcome to do business in his city. He would also be able to schmuze Columbus folks better than any Mayor we've ever had. 2nd it was Ford who screwed things up. The cops wanted to go in right away, crack some skulls and send everyone home. But, Ford said no lets reason with them. He made everyone stay back while things spiraled out of control. The cops were ready to go and would have had things resolved fast (they already had riot gear ready). Bell had to stand back while the Walrus did what he did best, nothing.

I had no idea Mr. Bell was at the riots.

I think he would be a good mayor because of his character, not because of "street creed" or anything else.

Look back at the posts made BEFORE this thread turned racial.

"Have any of you met him? I did once, and he talked quite a bit about being responsible for ones' self and family, about taking advantage of various situations like tuition programs, continuing education programs, being an active community member, and the value of having a spiritual foundation in your life. "

"I'd vote for him no matter what - like G-man said, ive met him and liked what I heard him said."

"Having had a professional relationship with him I've found him to be a stand up guy."

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Sounds like purnhrt is a revisionist.

I was at the Univ. of Virginia/Florida State football game that day and even I was able to read that Chief Bell was there.

BTW - Go Hoos who won a big game that day!

MikeyA

I have no idea what you do for a living. That you are a historian and a journalist is not something I would know.

I am sorry if you become irritated by my dense posts or musings. I don't consider you an opponent because with your Phd and other cred, you could talk circles around me but you can't influence my opinions.

McCaskey, I have grown to like your and Pink Slip's postings and generally agree with them but I don't have the same respect for HM. So just because he says (or posts) something does not mean that I agree with or will listen to what he has to say. Nor have I read any of his journalistic endeavors. As far as my being my own worst enemy, that is your opinion.

There are certain people who think that I whenever I post it has racial connotations. I don't see that but when I post people really get angry and say ugly things. For instance Libs posted the statement "Look back at the posts made BEFORE this thread turned racial.' My question is when did the thread turn racial. I don't see any racial statements, do you?

I have been hearing for over a year that Mr. Bell is going to run for Mayor. The fact that he may or may not be running on the Republican ticket is just more of Toledo's stupid politics.

because Mr. Bell was at the "riot" does not make him a credible candidate for mayor. After all there was a fire at the riot right? Shouldn't he have been there? It's not like he was such a "voice of reason" in Toledo that the forces called him to come to the riot to calm the rioters.

I was sitting on the Mall in Washington D.C. attending the Millions More Movement to celebrate the 10th anniversity of the Million Man March. Someone in our group had a device that was able to pull in CNN and we heard that there was a riot in Toledo, Ohio. But it was not reported that then Chief Bell helped to quell the riot.

So how you were able to read that then Chief Bell was there is really amazing since you were at a football game in either Florida or Georgia. But with technology I guess that is possible.

So how you were able to read that then Chief Bell was there is really amazing since you were at a football game in either Florida or Georgia.

Well first off I never said I read it while at the game did I? I merely stated I remember what I did during the riot and that I remember the accounts from the local papers and on here.

But being I said the game was between VIRGINIA and Florida St. I don't know how you got Georgia.

It appears your memory cannot retain what it read previous to posting so I strongly suggest that you shouldn't name call.

P.S. - Are you sure Bey was there or was he really in Georgia with me? I have a credible source who says he was and my imaginary credible sources can beat up your imaginary credible sources.

MikeyA

since HM commands so much respect on this blog I decided, Ok Purnhrt give him a break. At least look at what he wrote for the Free Press, his eyewitness account of the riot. So instead of going to the link he provided I googled "riot in Toledo." The third hit was written by HM so I said to myself, you can't get around reading what he wrote so just read it. Which I did. This what I found written by HM:

"A man in a clerical collar walked down Central, just past the area where the EMS truck had been attacked. Rev. Mansour Bey left the alternative "Erase the Hate" rally on Lagrange Street and walked through the fray to act as an intermediary.

One woman challenged him.

"Why aren't all the area pastors out here trying to stop this?" she asked. "Don't they have faith?"

"I can only speak for myself," he replied. "I have faith." He continued walking toward Mulberry, a lone voice in a sea of chaos.

Bey later linked up with Toledo Mayor Jack Ford, Toledo Fire Chief Mike Bell and other City officials in an attempt to defuse the angry crowd."

This was the only time Chief Bell was mentioned in the article. And it was very near the end of the article. It seems to me by HM's own writing the real hero in this riot was Mansour Bey, as I mentioned earlier in this thread.
So don't make it seem as if Mr Bell (Chief Bell at the time) was a hero at the "riot".

based on the information your colleagues shared with you, Mike Bell wasn't even there.

Information given to you by "trusted" people was wrong.

I re-read HistoryMike's post and no where did it state that Mike Bell was a "hero". You implied that, not HM.

The paragraph you attacked was: He was a voice of reason during the North Toledo riots, walking out to talk to the anti-Nazi crowd after all hell broke loose. He has both street credibility and bureaucratic credibility, and he is young enough to bring energy to the job as mayor.

Nowhere did HistoryMike state that Mike Bell was THE voice of reason.

Perhaps had the thread been about the clergy at the scene the thread would have been different. But it's not, it's about Mike Bell. And Mike Bell was at the scene of the riots assisting in quelling the drama, regardless of who was in control. And just because Mike Bell wasn't mentioned 50 times, doesn't mean Mike Bell wasn't there. He was.

And your trusted information was flawed. Again. And watching you weasel yourself out of the mess you made was entertaining. Again.

But alas, again you stick your fool head into a conversation without facts to back up anything you insulted then try to two-step yourself out of the pile of shit you put on the floor.

You owe HistoryMike an apology, whether you like it or not. You made assumptions conjured up in that itty bitty brain of yours, not by anything HM posted.

Nicely said. I've been sitting on my hands trying to come up with a suitable comment that isn't inflammatory, which you have done quite nicely.

As Billy said, I wouldn't look for an apology anytime soon. Pride, you know.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

I am about tired of Purnhrt shooting her mouth off and thinking she'll skate scot-free with a boatload of credibility if she calls out a credible source of information based upon information her clearly ill-informed associates told her second-hand.

This isn't the first time this psycho-wench will provide fodder for tweaking posters here to examine their own self-worth and stance on the issue, and it's obvious this isn't going to be the last.

But the more often her words are pounded into the ground and her true agenda shown to the light of day, it will not be too long before she is ridiculed offline by her peers.

Twila hasn't contributed anything worthy, perspective or not, without anything to back up anything she has ever stated to anything anyone has posted and I'm personally tired of reading her stupid shit.

And you guys are right, she won't apologize. But HistoryMike deserves it after this ill-informed participant on this site insulted this prestigious contributer of information based on words her friends, who were probably not even there based upon the information given to twila, told her instead of facts to back up her statements.

I'd just been thinking "Gee, I wonder what happened to purnhrt? Haven't heard from her in a while." Then, I see in the recent posts that purnhrt made a post. I was happy to see her return.

I don't dislike it when people here disagree. It is a necessary part of meaningful dialogue. But, golly, purnhrt, it just seems that you purposely look for molehills to transform into mountains. I recall not long ago that someone referred to someone as "boy," and that set you off. Then, someone found fault with the Inaugural prayer and that started a diatribe. I made a generalization about not expecting people who weren't Catholic to know what the Doxology was--and you accused me of not knowing that some blacks can be Catholic...

I dredge all this detrius up because it demonstrates a pattern of searching out something that you can harp on. It reminds me of my teenager's modus operandi--if we are going out to dinner and she would rather be somewhere else, she'll find fault with everything from the music on the car radio, the temperature, and the choice of restaurant. You are as happy as you make up your mind to be.

I have enjoyed your posts and your company here on Swampbubbles...when you aren't picking at people for innocuous comments. Why not be a positive contributor? I'm not saying that you can't be critical. I am saying that there are ways to contribute and speak your mind without starting, to get closer to topic, a riot.
It's not what you say; it's how you say it.

No apology will be forthcoming from Twyla, and no respect given as the only thing that give's someone any credibility in Purehate's world is skin pigmentation, and HM doesnt make the cut.

Meh

Too much drama and goofiness on this thread, and it is time to move on. I just can't figure out if purnhrt's anger is directed at me, Mike Bell, or just people in general. Anyways, have a peaceful and joyful life, everyone - life is too short to waste time on Internet drama.

Just like the television and the radio have an on-off button, so does this blog. Whenever you see my name, just don't look! Isn't there an ignore button or something?

You say, "it will not be too long before she is ridiculed offline by her peers." Obviously you don't know the meaning of the word peer. Peer-1. A person of the same legal status. 2.a person who is equal to another in abilities, qualifications, age, background, and social status.
True, I may be ridiculed by people on this blog but don't consider them my peers. And I sincerely doubt if "my peers" (huh) or anyone else on SB will make me go offline. I will go offline when I feel like it.

Looks to me like you are trying to get a lynch mob together. Tell me what time to be there so I can call Jessie. :=)

You especially should be glad that I give you fodder to blow off some steam. Probably keeps you off your wife/girlfriend/significant other/man or whatever.

First of all I apologize when I am wrong. I don’t apologize because someone else who has absolutely no credibility with me tells me to.

Lets go back to the beginning. History Mike who garners so much respect from you, stated about Mike Bell 1.“ He was a voice of reason during the North Toledo riots, walking out to talk to the anti-Nazi crowd after all hell broke loose. He has both street credibility and bureaucratic credibility, and he is young enough to bring energy to the job as mayor. ‘

2.He then stated “Chief Bell and Mayor Ford walked out into the crowd and talked to people to help bring an end to the violence.”

3.He then stated, “Bell's presence brought some calm to an otherwise volatile situation that had been festering for over four hours before he walked out there.”

HM then invited me to read his account of the riot. I chose not to read it because I really have no interest in HM's historical writings. I then stated that although I was not in the city when the riot jumped off I did know people who were there. I further stated that I do remember Mansour Bey walking with the mayor. I was wrong there because in HM’s telling Mansour Bey walked into the crowd of rioters alone and later joined the Mayor and Chief Bell. The person who stood out in my mind was Mansour Bey.

I later read HM's accounting and I was right, Mansour Bey did go into the crowd of rioters by himself and later joined the mayor and Chief Bell. Chief Bell was not even mentioned until very late in the Free Press article. Because HM was there and giving eyewitness accounts of the day it was very disturbing to me that if Chief Bell played such a big part in the riot why it was not written down for the sake of posterity.

I stated that I have a problem with revisionist history. HM’s beginning comments were and are to me revisionist history. Because I am a dense, ill informed contributor of information and HM is a prestigious contributor of information you the blog police think I owe HM an apology. I think not.

Mr. Bell has become the great white hope for Toledo. He is passive and will probably get a lot of white votes. White men and women in charge like a black passive man who does not mind being compared to a gorilla. I don’t know how that will play in the black community. Maybe we will just sit this one out and let you all battle it out with Moody, Carty, Wilkowski, Konop and whoever else decides to throw their hat into the ring.
But don’t reinvent Mr. Bell. It is what it is.

Hell will freeze over before I apologize when an apology is not due.

Case is now closed.

.

yep

First of all I apologize when I am wrong.

umm...you are the one that manipulated your own comments. HistoryMike's recollection is pretty much simple. Mike Bell was a voice of reason. Where did Mike say Mike Bell was a hero?

Why did you troll the comments away from Mike Bell and onto the clergy? Because your stupid-assed friends can't get thier facts straight? Whose fault is that, Mike's?

It's yours, purnhrt.

Besides the riots, purnhrt, Mike Bell has many other affiliations other than the riots to stake claim on being a reasonable man worthy of the mayoral vote. No matter the ethnic culture or skin color. Why you keep playing this card is amazing to me.

But to sit there and self-manipulate the facts and then attack those that bust you for your ignorance is hilarious.

why bother, it's clear she's too stupid to care.

you can claim back my swampbubble for this one.

This has got to be the most ignorant and hateful thing I've ever seen you post. Truly prnhrt, you bring out the absolute worst in me.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

When Chief Bell was called King Kong by Carty Finkbeiner he didn't do enough to shut Carty down. This gave Carty a signal to let Rhino Bolt to abuse citizens and city employees more.

Historically speaking, this type of behavior on Chief Bell's part was beneficial to himself and disastorous to everybody else. If Chief Bell was serious about running for Mayor he would have already officially declared himself as a candidate instead of collecting his City pension while being terrified he will lose his pay check from the State of Ohio once he officially declares himself as a candidate.

Carty is for Carty and Bell is for Bell. I have met him as well. He is a great guy. That doesn't qualify him as a viable candidate. Maybe he should run for a City Council seat.

get over yourself. Your name says it all- Mad Jack.

MikeyA, I thought Virginia was in Georgia. The one credible source that your credible source can beat up is History Mike. In his historical account he stated that; """""A man in a clerical collar walked down Central, just past the area where the EMS truck had been attacked. Rev. Mansour Bey left the alternative "Erase the Hate" rally on Lagrange Street and walked through the fray to act as an intermediary."""""

I haven't called anybody a name. I said that I don't like revisionist history. That is not name calling that is stating a fact.

Well it is now a fact, Mike Bell has officially jumped into the fray. It is wonderful that he has the support of so many of you on SB. The next few months should be pretty interesting. Good luck to Mike Bell.

Brian whoever: I will keep posting here as long as I want. Unless of course Chris tells me that he doesn't want me to post here as was done on Glass City Jungle. Actually I wasn't told not to post on GCJ but the night of the Presidential Election, I posted and the owner kept deleting my posts without even letting me know, which I thought was pretty rude. But when you own something you can do with it what you want.

From PurnHrt: Brian whoever: I will keep posting here as long as I want. Unless of course Chris tells me that he doesn't want me to post here as was done on Glass City Jungle. Actually I wasn't told not to post on GCJ but the night of the Presidential Election, I posted and the owner kept deleting my posts without even letting me know, which I thought was pretty rude. But when you own something you can do with it what you want.

Probably the best move Lisa Renee could have made for the Glass City Jungle this year. I've been wondering why I didn't see you spewing your hate and racial innuendos on GCJ, and now I know why.

Good move, Lisa.

PurnHrt, I suggest you get yourself some help. Harboring hate like you do will only eat you alive and make you unable to fix or change anything for the better.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

last year, Mad. I am changing things for the better even as we post.

As I stated before, most white people can deal with passive black people, especially black men. That is not hate talk that is just the truth.

And for the record again, I don't hate anybody, especially white people. I would have to hate some of my blood relatives if I did. What you see as hate I see as reality.

"Until America's white ruling class accepts the fact that the book never closes on massive unredressed social wrongs, America has no future as one people." Randall Robinson

In case you didn't understand. I stopped posting at GCJ. I was not banned. If a nebulous post can be deleted because the owner doesn't like it, what is the point of being involved with that type of jungle?

So don't get it twisted.

You had previously stated you were not posting on GCJ anymore, which was your choice. Your comments that were deleted, were deleted because you didn't go there to contribute, you went there to create problems with one particular person who commented there. In other words? I didn't let you use my site for your grudge match and the only person that was being rude, was you, which continued in the email exchange where I wasn't the one who was rude. It wasn't some "nebulous" post, you knew exactly what you were doing and why.

You want to believe I'm some racist white woman who somehow treats you unfairly based on your race rather than accept the truth - your skin color had nothing to do with it, it was your own behavior. But? It's easier for you to blame others rather than to take any responsibility for your own behavior.

I could care less if you visit GCJ or not, but if you are going to reference my blog or me? At least be honest about it.

We don't remember days only moments...

'"Until America's white ruling class accepts the fact that the book never closes on massive unredressed social wrongs, America has no future as one people." Randall Robinson'

Um... where exactly does this fit into your post on here? Mike Bell is the topic and not race. It doesn't even fit into your musing on passive black men. (BTW - Chief Bell is anything but passive.)

Besides I take issue with the quote anyway. My people (the Irish) were treated as second class citizens when they came to this country. We still use terms such as 'Paddywagon'. While they were fighting in the civil war there were pubs in New England that would hold abolitionist meetings and former slaves were encouraged to attend but the "No Irish" sign was not taken off the door.

But we knew we were fully accepted into this country when one of our own was elected. Now one of yours has. Congratulations you are now a part of the "one people" sucks doesn't it?

MikeyA

I don't agree with Purnhrt very often, but I will say this. It has been my observation and many of my friends that the white ruling class is terrified of a strong African American, particulary an African American male, in decision leadership/decision making positions. It appears that there is a perception that African Americans are to follow, not to lead. Case in point, look at the first Gulf War. Stormin Norman got all the accolades, while Colin Powell was subjigated by the President. If the roles were reversed Stormin Norman would have received all the accolades for being the great mastermind. On a more local level, look at what Carty did. He fired the three strong, competent African Americans and exhaltated the African Americans who were poorly educated and wimpish. Lastly, we had eight years of Bush to really mess up things in this country and many think that Obama should tear off his shirt, display the "S" on his chest or wave his magic wand and things will be okay again. Chief Bell is a great guy, but the power barons in Northwest Ohio will play him like a drum if he is elected Mayor.

OK

The issue that seems to be splitting people is their perception of Mike Bell. I am concerned with him being he has not said anything but he wants to take a regional approach to doing things. It should be a little concerning that people are saying that they want to vote for him without hearing how he will separate himself from the failed leadership that this area has suffered under. For all we know he may be the exact same or completely different, but in watching some of the interviews on TV I am surprised that people want to jump on with Bell without him saying one word. Are all of the current candidates that bad that we want a leader who we know nothing about? He may be respectable, but still it is going to take someone who is going to push things forward, and not saying anything is a good way to prove you are not that person. Of course he has not even announced, but still the judgment is still out.

You won't meet anyone who is not afraid to say what he/she thinks than prnhrt. She has high expectations of our leaders and I think you can see that expectation coming out with the perception of Mr. Bell and even with HM's comment that he has street credability. All you have to do is look and see how the poor judgments have affected our city and its citizens in the communities that are usually forgotten. I am sure that she is not the only person with that perspective and she is welcome to have it and share it.

that is the beauty of free speech, which everyone on this blog professes to believe in, until it comes to what I have to say.

I have not maligned anyone, I stated in the beginning that the way HM reported Chief (at the time) Bell's involvement in the riot was not the way that I remembered it. I called it revisionist history, which blew everyone out of pocket.

I can't say what I want/need to say using your words. I am not you have not had your experiences nor have you had mine. You can't change me and I wouldn't dream of changing you.

I stop by SB two or three times a day to see if anything has bubbled up but
I haven't been posting so much because I got caught up in Facebook and connecting with friends, family and new friends. It is a very interesting place.

I am sorry that you felt the need to wonder where I was in one breath and then in the next breath preaching to me about how you think I should react/not react to the stimuli of these agreeable/disagreeable conversations.

It is hardly an innocuous comment that could influence the way someone might vote on an issue when the comment is framed to put someone in a better light then they should be, in my opinion.

I am who I am and the paternalistic jargon spewed here when I post does not affect me because I am strong in my beliefs. I believe in justice and truth. It may not sound just to you but you don't live where I live. And I don't mean a habitat. What I say may not be your truth but I have seen more lies than you ever could. Not only are we a nation of cowards we are also a nation of liars.

It would be a cliche to say walk in my shoes because you couldn't walk in my shoes. And I wouldn't want to walk in yours.

For some reason that I can't explain, this group of people think that I am unhappy and angry. Far be it from me to say that I never get angry but I am never unhappy. I am living the sweet life.

My life so far has been one of privilege. I have never been hungry and have never wanted for anything material. I grew up in a two parent family and my siblings and I have all been to college, not on grants. None of us have ever been on welfare.

I have traveled all over this country and the only reason I have not traveled to any foreign country (except Canada) is because you can't get there without being in the air or on the sea. I don't do planes and I don't do water. However that has not stopped me from sending my children and letting them explore the world. Germany, London, Paris, Puerto Rico.

I have talked to people from every corner of this earth and can make friends in a hearbeat.

I don't believe in abortion or the death penalty. I believe in President Barack Hussein Obama, Reverend Jeremiah Wright and am a follower of Louis Farrakhan and a believer of Mahatma Ghandi.

Yes, I do get "set off" when a black man is called a boy or when a black man is compared to a gorilla or a chimpanzee. I also get "set off" when a dead black mother is defamed, demeaned and demonized. I pick my battles and those would be two.

Sorry that I can't conform to how you think I should behave but the only thing I can tell you is to ignore when you see my name.

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