High Voltage Response To Low Voltage Proposal

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WSPD listeners showed up in force this afternoon to speak to power at the council hearing on the low voltage electricity proposal. Council members in attendance tabled it for now but based on the response and the speakers it won't see the light of day again without a huge reworking.
Our listeners gave council valid reasons that this proposal would be bad for business, and had specific questions to those who drafted the legislation. We'll talk with Mike Collins tomorrow at 7:30 about this and other things.
I have audio and expansive notes from the over 2 1/2 hour meeting. Now I need a nap. Chalk one up for the vox populi.

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Lisa Renee at glasscityjungle.com started this conversation so the rest of Toledo could pick up the ball. Great job Lisa Renee!

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Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

where one of the sources of the envy of Lisa comes.

just sit back and the door opens itself.

Sorry, fred, but I saw it there first too.

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sounds a lot like Carty's thought process...if he has one, it is most definately low voltage.

As I understand it, they couched this law in terms of it addressing a fire safety issue. According to the story in the Blade, Councilman Sarantou found out that there were zero fires caused by low voltage wiring so where is the danger?

This law is either meant to protect us from a nonexistent danger or the author is being deceptive about the true purpose. Either way, this should not become law.

-Dan

After some more reading, I saw they were also worried about breaches to firewalls. I'd have to see some statistics that concern fire propagation due to such breaches before believing there's a valid reason for that law.

-Dan

Thurber's thoughts had an excellent write up on the issue, and she was kind enough to provide a list of all the council members, so I could just copy/past them all at once and email them all at the same time. My msg was simple:

Please do not vote in favor of Ordinance #83-09 today>

I got one reply:

Thank you for sharing your concerns regarding the proposed low voltage ordinance 83-09, from the Finkbeiner Administration. Today we had a public hearing, which many constituents attended, and the Community & Neighborhood Development Committee decided that this legislation would effectively be tabled. From all of the testimony, it is clear to me that this legislation would place an unfair burden on business, as well as consumers, who utilize low voltage services. It would also lead to several days of delay for inspectors to come out and approve a telephone, computer, cable, or other low voltage work - thus this will raise the cost of low voltage installation in the City of Toledo and create enormous delays for consumers wanting to get their telephone installed in a timely fashion. It is clear to me that this is not a safety issue because nobody could sight any harm done to consumers regarding low voltage improper installation.

Thank you again for sharing your concerns.

Respectfully,

George Sarantou

I thought that was pretty good, but I am unhappy that instead of just telling Carturd to go jump in the maumee with his BS proposals, they told him to rework it. So it's not dead yet.

Another councilman got back to me:

Thank you for emailing me concerning the proposed ordinance 83-09 (Low Voltage Installations). I am sure that you are aware that a public meeting was held yesterday in council chambers for the purposes of sharing opinions in this very controversial issue. I attended the entire meeting and do not believe that this ordinance serves the citizens of our community in a positive way. There was no evidence that a community safety issue exists, however the issue of unscrupulous conduct in a minority of the situations exists. The issue of fraud and/or theft will not be addressed with the passage of this ordinance.

In addition it became very clear that the list of exempt organizations as well as businesses needed to be expanded. The matter will remain in Committee and will not be voted on until it is relieved from the Committee. The Chairperson of the Committee Councilman Joe Mc Namara will advise if he is going to have a second meeting.

I have after careful review and deliberation, listening to the testimony and speaking with the business community find no reason to support this legislation. I will be voting no if the matter comes before Council for consideration.

Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.

D. Michael Collins

...I got the exact same responses from the two councilmen who bothered to reply. While I'm glad they emailed me back, I'm disappointed that we got a 'form letter' response with no attention to our individual questions or points.

As a County Commissioner, I often included a portion of a response that was the same - but I didn't just send out the same email to everyone.

I posted the responses on my blog...

In addition it became very clear that the list of exempt organizations as well as businesses needed to be expanded.

NO. The ordinance is just another BS carty way designed only to generate revenue and has nothing to do with anything else - they have brought up not a single piece of evidence that proves otherwise.

This ordinance needs to be tossed in the crapper and forgotten about, not fine tuned and brought back to the table.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble Phred, Though I was at the meeting and seen alot of people I knew there. The strangest thing Phred, they don't listen to you or WSPD, They attended as citizens of Toledo.

WSPdead.
They must have about 2700 listeners since that is where they are on their huge petition drive. I miss Denny and Bob and Scott........

You "seen" a lot. That's funny. Another product of TPS I suppose. Ahhh the old days...Denny Bob, Scott, Art, Jerry Anderson etc. etc . All gone now, all moved on with thier lives unlike so many unidentified posters. Jeremy did you see the story about the fine?
I'm glad so many citizens showed up yesterday and that I had a chance to speak with them afterward and on air. Next time yruns stop and introduce yourself, I'll give you a business card so you know how to spell F-r-e-d. LOL

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

"All gone now, all moved on with thier (sic) lives unlike so many unidentified posters".

Fred, how do you spell b-u-t-t-o-n-p-u-s-h-e-r?

and have moved on to much bigger and better things. Unfortunately we will be stuck with fred and brian for a long time since they are not likely to be picked up by anyone else. ....

Well Phred, I am a product of Cardinal Stritch where ironically your wife teaches. Therefore, I guess I am a product of what the teachers there taught! That may be why my math skills were lacking until college.

Toledo Pride, Denny is on WCWA from 10am - 12pm until the wspd clown clan puts a stop to that.

My wife teaches at St Patrick of Heatherdowns, has for 12 years now. Denny's internet show is carried on C-way you are correct, and only God will change that, or so I hear. I spell it buttonpusher is there another way?

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Your parents paid for private schooling and you graduated lacking math skills?

Man, I'd have been grounded for life!

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Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Carty reads "Governing" magazine religiously. That magazine is like the "Sports Illustrated" of taxation. Every two weeks, you can read about the new, innovative taxes other municipalities come up with.

He probably read that some upscale community enacted this tax to cash in on the building of home theaters, home computer networks, and high end sound systems and thought it would work in Toledo.

What's coming next? Look out for a local tax on cell phones.

With the economy in the shape it's in, more & more folks are starting their own vegetable gardens. This would be a great way to raise some taxes! Tax each ear of corn, each pepper harvested and every radish and potato pulled from the earth!

(I would suggest exempting any deaf people living near the airport and Marines that are on weekend maneuvers.)

Ordinance #83-09 is/was supposed to regulate low voltage wiring. It was to require low voltage wiring be installed by a licensed electrician of some sort. It would require that inspections be made of the low voltage wiring by some branch of the City. In the end, it was to pre-emptively make things safer "before someone dies".

Am I correct so far?
 
With that in mind, the inverse must currently be true, right? Higher voltage wiring cannot be installed without a permit and must be installed by a licensed electrician and inspected by the City before ‘one person is killed’. According to what I have heard, this "low voltage" wiring is the "only thing not regulated by building codes" which means that the City is currently required to inspect any "high voltage" installations.
 
Therefore, if the Toledo Zoo is using unlicensed volunteers to hang over 1,000,000 120volt lights, they are and have been breaking City Building Codes for years. There is no way all of those volunteers are licensed electricians and no way that the City has inspected all of those 1,000,000 lights.
 
Carty must put a stop to this blatant violation of City Codes before one person or one zoo animal is killed by these dangerously and amateurishly installed high voltage electrical devices.
 
If it saves just one life, it’s worth shutting down the Lights Before Christmas display. If only one polar bear is saved from fire, it is worth shutting down the Lights Before Christmas display.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

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