Catholic connection to Obama-$ 7.3 million to Acorn

 Most Catholics voted for Obama.  The
Sunday before Thanksgiving, millions of Catholics will again be putting
in their church's collection plate their annual donation to what the
pre-printed envelope calls "Campaign for Human Development: The
Catholic Church working to end poverty and injustice.

Saul Alinsky explained his community organizing tactics in his book
"Rules for Radicals." His game plan was to divide the community into
the Haves and the Have Nots, make the Have Nots believe they are
unjustly treated by the Haves, build resentment against the American
social and economic system, use church congregations to mobilize street
agitators, and lobby government for higher taxes and big-spending
welfare programs in order to confiscate the wealth and power of the
Haves and turn it over to the Have Nots.

Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer, "the first radical known
to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively
that he at least won his own kingdom."

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In this politically correct age when even evangelical pastors and catholic priests have turned their backs on God's Word and tolerated such things as abortion, gay marriage, etc....It's nice to see Reverend Jay Scott Newman of South Carolina address his Catholic congegration with the truth in regards to voting for Obama. He said,
"Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exits constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ’s Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation."

Unpopular to say? Yes. But, truer words could not be spoken about this subject.

Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exits constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ’s Church...

At which point the Reverend Jay Scott Newman's Church should lose its tax exempt status, be audited by the IRS and forced to pay taxes for 2008. The question of other Roman Catholic Churches tax status can be addressed later, at the US Governments convenience and leisure.

The Catholic Church is a mess. They abuse parishioners and try to control lives through fear and condemnation. I have no more use for them than I have for any other cult that strives to achieve the same goals; Control of people and accumulation of wealth and power.

The entire abortion issue should have been put to rest in 1973, and it wasn't, thanks to a USSC that lacked a spine. Instead we have a right to privacy between the doctor and the patient, which we should have anyway.

The only good thing that may come out of the new monarchy is the federal funding of, and free access to, abortion. Poor women won't be forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term because they can't afford an abortion. That's a good thing.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Should anyone who voted for Bush, who have by their vote supported the administration that sanctioned the killing of thousands of people around the world via two wars, also refrain from Communion? Should the CATHOLIC CHURCH ITSELF, due it's complicit and systematic attempts to cover-up their many heinous scandals of the past decades, refrain from even giving Communion? And, de facto, the people who have knowingly given money to the Church even though there are many dollars being spent in in support of the covering-up of their dirty laundry?

Of course, I don't agree with any of what I just typed above. Gives me the willies just to type it. Following your line of logic, though, Kooz, those statements may make sense.

I'm a bit stunned about the statement "evangelical pastors and catholic priests have turned their backs on God's Word". In what way? What do you define God's word to be? Seems they have their own definition of what God's Word is - is your interpretation the one True way?

This is a major dillema within the church--and part of the reason that no homily in the Catholic Church is to preach any particular political stance.

As a Catholic, I am damned no matter what I do.
If I support conservatives/Republicans, I am indirectly supporting capital punishment, and the publically torture of political prisoners.

If I support the liberals/Democrats, I am indirectly supporting abortion, publically funded abortion, and gay marriage.

All of these things quarrel with the tenets of Catholicism that call for protecting the sanctity of human life.

If I don't vote at all , I'm shirking my responsibility to be proactive.

It's impossible to vote the religion card. Thank GOD. We should think for ourselves and with our own interests...

I know a lot of Catholics who think Obama is the answer to all the world's troubles. One of these people is my parish's youth minister/religious ed director, who firmly rebuked me for wearing a McCain button. We debated a bit...and I finally said, "Surely, his stance on abortion and partial birth abortion should keep you from voting for him...You march on Washington DC every year in the Right To Life rally for crimney's sake! " She explained that she "doesn't buy" any politician's public stance on abortion--they say what they say to win votes.

She also said that she was banking on his ability to bring "change" to save people from poverty and suffering--also responsibilities of Catholics.

Both McCain & Obama are against partial birth abortions (for which the actual numbers are extremely low, and have been only done to save the life of the mother - not for 'birth control'). That said - neither one of them was going to come out full force on this issue - anymore than gay rights because the issues are too emotionally loaded, and were not the most urgent issues we are addressing as a country. McCain seemed to be tagged "anti abortion rights" when Palin was brought on board - it was more her mouth that ranted, her beliefs.

McCain has been supportive in the past -
"I'd love to see a point where it is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."
— San Francisco Chronicle and CNN, August 1999
Supported a Supreme Court decision upholding a ban on so-called partial-birth abortions

Obama's view -
"I think that most Americans recognize that this is a profoundly difficult issue for the women and families who make these decisions. They don't make them casually. And I trust women to make these decisions, in conjunction with their doctors and their families and their clergy, and I think that's where most Americans are."
— Democratic debate, April 26, 2007

and he told Planned Parenthood it is full speed ahead , tax payer funded abortion and all restrictions removed, even Parental consent laws

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