Are You Driving 180 Miles To Gamble?

So maybe we'll get a casino in southern Ohio. Does that mean that citizens from the northern part of the state will go there, or is it more likely that Kentuckians from around Louisville will come to Ohio rather than West Virginia? If I want to gamble (which I usually don't) Detroit or Windsor comes to mind, not Cincinnati. So maybe 5,000 jobs will be generated in the southern part of the state, and maybe these won't be filled by people coming in from other areas. And, hopefully, we won't be snookered by an Indian tribe being financed by the gambling syndicates to get a casino put in so they can get their taxes lowered. It will be interesting. Instead of relying on manufacturing for our economy we can shoot craps for our future.

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but im not a gambler

I won't be making the trip. If I would feel the need to try out a casino I'd head up to Detroit or Windsor. Much closer, especially with gas prices.


 I don't have a problem with casino's in Ohio I just have a problem with this one being the "only" one.


i would not either, Of course I don't gamble either, That is whay I don't understand about issue 6, the border dollars are still going to leave.


I do gamble, just not outside of vegas. And I'm opposed to Issue 6 as well. I'm not going to give one group a monopoly, and with all the loopholes in the issue, its a bad deal for the future if an Indian casino were to be approved. Sorry, but until we have an issue on the ballot that opens the state up to competition in gambling, I'll keep voting know.

If it does go up in Dayton, both DTW and Windsor are closer, so if this bill guarantees that the ONLY casino ever located in OH will be in dayton, then why would you vote for it?

Because the proceeds will be evenly divided between the 88 counties?? come on, if you believe that, Ive got a market on Erie st for you...

What about all the tangenital businesses? Look at cabelas and the growth that has come do dundee because of that. That would be all dayton - how would the rest of the state ever cash in on that??

No, gambler or not, Vote NO on 6.

The State has had a complete monopoly on gambling for far too long. Vote yes to start taking some of the monopoly from the state and it's poor paying lotto games. After 6 passes then the next argument is that gambling throughout the state must be allowed out of fairness. I want to see poker and slot halls through the state. Hell, I'd like to run them.

One step at a time. First step is taking some power from the state.

Big Jim

Big Jim

Voting monopoly power onto a cabal doesn't chip away at anything. It just creates another power group that will be powerful enough to enforce the new status quo. Just look at the money that these people are throwing at the issue now.

Gambling of any kind should be legal in Ohio ... for ANYONE to perform, as you are eyeing in the future. But Issue 6 isn't the way to do it.

Hi GZ . .

People understand fairness and unfairness and when they can act to correct an unfair situation, they are willing to do so.

The JFo smoking ban was modified because it was seen as being unfair. Once the first casino is granted an operating license it will be fair for others to have casino licenses too. We will be able to get the public to support an complete overhaul of the state's awful gambling rules. It will work.

I'll bet ya.

Big Jim

Big Jim So people from Kentucky (especially around Louisville) will probably come to our casino (near the intersection of US-71 & SR-73). But won't our casino cause that KY's population to reconsider building casinos in KY? This link,, indicates that KY politicos have far more ambitious plans than Ohio. So any advantage we have from having a casino won't last long unless we are relying on our "native" population of Ohioans to spend their dollars in our casinos (and not relying on visitors from outside the state). Also, KY does have a recognized Indian tribe that could have a large tax advantage for gambling interests.

That gives me another idea. Could this effort to build a casino in Ohio be a "red herring" to get the people of KY to desire the plan to build 12 casinos in their state? Does KY look more attractive to gambling interests (no matter for what reasons)? Is Ohio just a "side-show" for an invasion of the South by gambling interests?

Old South End Broadway

there is always more to the story. I agree with GZ, gambling should be legal in Ohio and the State should not be in the business. the method of determining future revenue. Revenue is guessed at by looking at the revenue of present casinos, including Indiana (to which Ohioans now go). Today's report,, by the Ohio Department of Taxation estimates that the casinos will generate between $700 and $800 million in gross receipts based on an average of 6.9 visits per gambler per years, or 27,000 plus visitors per day, or 10,000,000 plus visits per year with an average expenditure of $76.60 per day. The few times I gambled (the slots) I have spent $20 each visit (I got $20 in tokens for my first experience in South Dakota) and called it a night (I loved the free meal I got). If the economy continues to take a nose dive I think the prudent among us won't be gambling (at least at the casinos) when we can do it in business. And if Kentucky joins the "league of gambling Indian nations" we'll be left with a large, empty casino in a corn field. But I guess that's the gambling syndicate's problem (or I hope it is).

Old South End Broadway

are big money. I remember even the Detroit ones rake in money like a billion a year. There will be tons of money put in to get the side they want out, because the payout is worth it.

...and out of our beds. What we need at the Erie Street Market is a casino/brothel. That would keep local money in the city, and give us all a reason to go downtown. We should be more like Nevada.

Old South End Broadway

"Ohio casino will take between 40% and 50% of the $480 million in annual revenues generated by gamblers going to Argosy." This is the Indiana casino in Lawrenceburg, Ind., near Cincinnati. So if (or when) Kentucky builds 12 will we be stuck with an empty structure (remember the proliferation of drug stores that Carty complained about several years ago)?

Old South End Broadway

to go to a different state to get your health care coverage. :=)

only if you consider gambling as much of a need to you and your family as you do health care.

...or Mexico for medical care? People do these things for whatever reason. Toledoans will continue to go to Detroit unless we get a better experience closer to home. People who gamble aren't doing it to save on taxes, or "invest" in education. They are hoping (rather than working) to get wealthy. They are pursuing dreams that will likely never come true (while the owners of the casinos will likely achieve their dreams). The "red herring" about jobs is a good one. With automation becoming rampant I don't know why robots or other automation can't take the place of dealers. For some of us it might be a turnoff but for others the novelty will draw them to try their hand against the machine.

Old South End Broadway

People can make a choice or decision to gamble or not.

Some don't like gambling, some do.

Why not just let people make the choice they wish too, and take care of ourselves, and not try to be the answer to everything and to everyone, when we cannot handle our own situations all that well at times.

but I will probably vote for any law or state constitutional amendment that allows zoning for gambling sites (just as we allow zoning for bars, strip joints, and other "adult" facilities). I'll even vote for zoning for brothels (if it means more "jobs"). But voting to essentially allow one casino (and its owners) a monopoly isn't reasonable. I say flood Ohio with casinos and let the "free market" determine the outcome.

Old South End Broadway

Here is a question I am trying to answer in my own mind: even if the majority of the citizens of Ohio are in agreement that we want gambling statewide (rather than allow one group of investors to have a monopoly), what do potential builders want? If you are willing to invest in gambling in Ohio do you want the "Wal-Mart" model (lots of outlets with lots of "merchandise") or a model based on trying to get maximum return for each buck of my investment? Most states have only three to six outlets for gambling. There are exceptions: California and Nevada, among them. So, if we went by the six largest towns in Ohio I suppose Toledo might be one of them. But when you look at Indiana you find that of the six "outlets" for gambling three are around Cincinnati and the others around Chicago. Most of our state's gambling would probably be around Cincinnati, Cleveland, and, maybe, Toledo. This is just a guess but I am basing it on what has happened in Indiana. If you are looking at "regional" employment Toledo probably would not get much, even while Cincinnati and Cleveland got both the advantages (and social disadvantages) of gambling. So, as a Toledoan, I say "Knock yourself out, Cincinnati".

Old South End Broadway

...6.75% taxes on gambling. That earned the state a little over $1 billion last year, How does that compare to how much our sales tax earns us here in Ohio? I imagine over time (and with the addition of other casinos) Ohio would be pressed to reduce the percentage of its taxation on casinos.

Old South End Broadway is a link to the Occupational Outlook Handbook 2008-2009 edition,, where the hourly wages of gaming dealers are looked at. If you are earning $13.49/hr you are earning more than 90% of the dealers employed in the country. Of course, you do make additional money with "tokes" (a kind of tip) so maybe you could be earning $100,000 a year dealing blackjack.

Let's face it. Lots of waitresses rely on tips for their income, and some of them do quite well. So maybe our economy will boom with the addition of gambling to our state's economy.

Old South End Broadway

Ohio Governor Ted Strickland has a new companion to support, offering a solution as his opposition to the payday loan and cash advance industries amplify. He’s fighting on behalf of the state’s community of gamblers. In effect as of August 1, 2008, but being disputed by the people on the November 4 state ballot, Strickland says this is a heroic effort to raise money for their public schools. Strickland has defended his views on several occasions, claiming this one’s best for the common good for our children. Despite the massive criticisms from all walks of life, including members of his own parish, he continues to dig up ways to shield his idea. Parts of his proposal would revise the state constitution to authorize the construction of a $600 million casino near Dayton. This proposal is giving many people a more vivid picture of the state of Ohio’s economy. So let’s get this straight. Governor Strickland is telling his citizens to go out and gamble away their rent and mortgage payments for the sake of their children’s future. Then, after gambling away all our money, when we experience a pinch in our budget and are unable to buy the necessities for our children, Strickland says we should NOT resort to getting temporary funds from a payday lender to help make ends meet. Seriously, there is no sense in that.

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