Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama

Do you think this will be an issue?
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.

The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004 — about two and one-half percentage points.
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More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can't win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views.
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http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race

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Since the Stanford poll was of white democrats, In the spirit of true learning and balance, Stanford now needs to poll black democrats and see if they would turn toward Obama simply BECAUSE of his race.

In an earlier post was an article about Michelle Obama receiving a standing ovation from a baptist convention - http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080911/NEWS01/80....

Baptists view abortion as murder, but apparently those people are willing to put aside their views about what they consider murder in favor of what they consider desireable pigmentation.

There have also been national news stories about black Republicans who have decided (or are considering) voting for Obama specifically because of his race. Even though they have been lifetime Republicans and completely disagree with his politics.

CNN profiled a few of them here:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/04/obama.black.republicans/

Before they started spitting out polls like these. This way, when BHO gets it handed to him in November, the Dems can all cry racism, and completely ignore the fact that the better candidate won.

best----- speaking of Stockport, Ohio, "‘Down here, Friday afternoon is when you wash the sheets. Saturday is when you hang them out. Sunday is when you wear them,’ he said." It took me a few seconds to figure out what he was referring to, but if the question is do I think race will be an issue, of course the answer is yes.

It's not about abortion, it's not about gay marriage, it's not about the dynamic Sarah Palin, it's not about being a Democrat or being a Republican, it's about the race of the Democratic nominee. Until America accepts the fact that there are two America's, one white, one black, America has no future as one people or being the best in the world.

I really feel vindicated when I read this article on the Internet last night, however, I am really disappointed in white people my age who were instrumental in bringing about change during the civil rights movement of the 60's. This segment of the population is more knowledgeable about the civil rights movement than any of the other segments because we actually lived through it. However the younger white polulation is pro Obama and can articulate why very well. This is a real turnabout.

Obama/Obiden/Ohio/08

where are all of the haters? 158 years ago Abraham Lincoln said, "A house divided unto itself can not stand," which is paraphrased from the Bible. Will America stand divided among the races or will we all come together, hang up the sheets put away the stereotypes and become the nation that leads the world?

It is all up to U.S.

Obama/Obiden/Ohio/08

this one gets to the crux of the matter:

I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic,
different.'
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.

* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're
well grounded.

* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the
first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter
registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a
Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State
Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman
of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years
in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people
while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment
and Public Works and Veteran's
Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city
council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20
months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're
qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2
beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real
Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your
disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the
proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no
other option in sex education in your state's school system while your
unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate laywer who gave up a position in a
prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city
community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't
represent America's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI
conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age
25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska
from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now.

I am still astounded that in this day & age, there are people who won't vote for a man because of his race. Obama's race has nothing to do with it, anymore than Palin's gender does. McCain & his pals Greenspan & Gramm were the ringleaders that got this country in the financial mess it's in (Gramm snuck in hundreds of 'extra' pages of amendments right before the xmas break in congress, that set it all in motion). You want another 4 years of the same? Vote for McCain - personally, I don't think this country can survive another 4 years of the same. Obama instills more trust to me than McCain does. Palin scares hell out of me - she's uninformed, not ready, and wouldn't admit that she was uninformed (she admits she 'heard' about the surge in Iraq on tv), McCain demanded that the VP debates be dumbed down (so to speak) - only simple question & answers because (as he put it), Palin isn't experienced in debates. Boo freaking hoo. So for that reason we dumb down the debates to accomodate her ignorance? So she doesn't get confused when forced to respond without a teleprompter or a question that maybe wasn't covered in her practice runs? I don't give a flying fig what her religious or abortion beliefs are - it's not like she's going to overturn Roe v Wade single handedly, or without a huge fight. She's entitled to her beliefs. But she's the least qualified for VP choises that McCain could have chosen - there were many more much more qualified women he could have picked. You vote McCain - you'll get another Bush/Cheney (hunting & all). Inform yourselves on both sides of the propaganda - watch & listen to both liberal & conservative shows. Personally, since Palin as VP was announced, wspd has gone to hell & I can't stomach listening to it anymore Try instead to watch Rachel Maddow on MSNBC to get a wider view.

Back on the race track - from what I've read & heard, it seems the people who wont vote for Obama simply because of his race are older people who fear change - but if we don't change drastically from what the Bush administration has given us - we will get much more of the same. If all of you are "OK" with 4 more years of Bush, then vote McCain - you deserve the worst type of government you get.

(voting for McCain/Palin) cutting off your nose to spite your face or just sheer ignorance.

know of at least 10 hard line democrats who are not voting for Obama simply based on his blackness.

I've had a few friends tell me their other wise Democratic parents aren't voting Obama because of his race...

Look at the 2006 election here in Ohio...

Ted Strickland beat Ken Blackwell 60% - 37%
Sherrod Brown beat Mike DeWine 56% - 44%

Why wasn't the Strickland /Blackwell race closer? Easy... the thread could easily read Poll: Racial views steer some white Reps away from Blackwell

Do you think this will be an issue?

Simple answer: Yes! Unfortunately it is a complicated subject that is rooted in emotion and not logic. Racism exists and it is not the sole province of angry white voters, but is generally the product of ignorance exploited by those who prey on fear, insecurity and anger.

And the polls being taken have nothing to do with being able to scream racism if Obama loses. This is a legitimate question and consequently the media and others are going to discuss it. All of us probably know of someone who is not voting for Obama because he is black.

as far as this election goes and will serve as a snapshot of where America is and what it's all about in 2008 and why I believe Obama has close to zero chance of winning this election, never mind polls that currently show the race 'close.'

Off the top of my head, I can think of at least two dozen individuals I've talked with in recent months who often vote Democratic, who are either registered as Democrats or Independents, who say they will not be voting for Obama.

The standard reason with these people seems to be "I don't trust him." When I pressed further, asking if they thought that meant he was too young, too inexperienced to lead, they said, no, it wasn't that, there was just 'something about him' that gave them pause. It wasn't a matter of being too liberal, too pro-abortion or pro -taxes, too weak to lead the military, it was something about him they didn't 'trust'. There's just 'something about him' is the phrase I heard more than once.

'Just something about him' is not only about race, but also about the cultural, 'muslim' connection (which of course does not exist). Two guys I work with, both educated, both people who I know voted Democratic at least once, one of whom is actually a Hillary fan, told me if Obama gets in the White House...and this is a direct quote..."we'll all be on prayer rugs facing east." One said Colin Powell would be 'fine', but 'this guy's a radical.' In other words, he's got a very un-American sounding name.

It is impossible, in my opinion and I hope I'm wrong, to overcome this ignorance and this stereotyping.

I'm sure the flip side of this argument, that there will be people voting for Obama simply because he is black,, has some supporters, but whatever the numbers of those people might be will be dwarfed ten-fold by those who lead lives filled with ignorance, fear and desperation that electing a person of color will change the cultural landscape and dynamic of this country.

When the economy is doing well, the party controlling the White House almost always wins, whether or not their party's President can run for re-election. When the economy is doing poorly, the party controlling the White House almost always loses. These are facts.

WIth the economy as scary as at is, and with a Republican in the White House, any resonable Democratic Presidential candidate should be ahead in the polls by double digits. The only explanation that makes sense of this situation, is that many whites who normally vote for Democrats, just will not vote for an African-American.

Do I think that it is impossible for Obama to win? No! But it will be extremely difficult. Obama will get a higher percentage of the Black vote than another Democrat would, but Democrats traditionally get an overwhelming percentage of African-American votes anyway.

I had to laugh when someone wrote about Obama making up his lost racist white votes by picking up Black Republicans. I do agree that Obama might attract these Black Republicans...both of them!!

The key to Obama's winning is to convince enough whites to win that he is an American first, and an African-American second. Another key is to turn out African-American voters in record numbers.

I do believe the polls overstate Obama's support. Most of the time when one gets these calls, the caller identifies the person being polled. Whether justified or not, people being polled are worried that the information will be shared beyond the use of the polling organization. Many do not want to appear to be racist, so they tell the polltaker that they support Obama, even if they would never vote for a Black candidate.

I agree with Twila's statement about people in our age bracket. We lived through the modern Civil Rights movement. Why aren't more of us judging people as individuals, instead of prejudging people based upon genetic factors beyond their control? As Twila points out also, at least younger people seem to be less racist. There is hope!

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