As most would know I have attended Toledo Public School Board meetings for over ten years. When Pete Silverman was president he

As most would know I have attended Toledo Public School Board meetings for over ten years. When Pete Silverman was president he called me names from his seat as president, I had been silenced when Larry Sykes was the president, and now that Steve Steel is president the rule is that if I ask a question the board members just look at me and don’t say a word. I guess this is some sort of intimidation tactic.

The most disrespectful action occurred at the last board meeting on Tuesday. Sitting in the audience, it was extremely difficult to hear what was being said. I don’t know if the mikes were turned down intentionally, if board members just weren’t talking into the mikes or if there was some type of malfunction with the system.

This is disrespectful to the public because if you use your personal time to attend a public school board meeting you should be able to hear what is being discussed.

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Maybe you should ask good questions.

I wonder if they saw your name on the "community input" list and did it on purpose? LOL Do not take it personally Twila, it was probably a malfunction.............

I know this will likely tick you off but honestly, if you come off sounding at those meetings the same way you come off on this forum many times its not a real shocker if they brushed you off. I'm not saying its right that they did, because having someone come at them agressively is pretty much just what they need, I'm just saying its a possibility.

that I wasn't the only person who could not hear and some of those people came in peace and praising the district, I would say that maybe you are right, because I am "aggressive" and don't deserve to hear the meeting because I am aggressive. :=)

Ohio Kat, you can't tick me off, so have at it. Only my friends and relatives have the capacity to tick me off. You all on this blog (and you know who I am talking about) are just blogger that i don't know. Now if I knew who you were and knew you and you said or did something that I did not like or agree with possibly, just possibly you could "tick" me off.

Laural Bloom: Next time I will think of a good question. :=)

Very good, purnhrt. Your answer definitely deflated my attempt to intimidate you. This shows the characteristics of a true warrior.

Unfortunately, there isn't much you can do except support the competition during the next election. Elected officials get tired of dealing with civilians who are trying to start an argument or hijack the meeting agenda, or just want some attention. The protection they have is not to recognize or respond to civilians who ask the wrong questions. The business with the sound system was probably intentional, but what can be done to correct it?

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

No, I didn't know you attended school board meetings....now, I know

the public who does not attend TPS school board meetings would be interested in knowing what tactics are used to keep the public uninformed. Personally I don't care what TPS thinks about me, I work for kids and parents. I really could care less if I make TPS uneasy and I have not hijacked any meeting.

I would think that Toledoeans would be interested in how and what their public school system is doing, considering the economic condition of most of the population. I think now it is clear that without a working public school system Toledo cannot survive. Real Estate values go down as does the quality of life issues.

Good schools, good neighborhoods, good communities!

Well, realistically, I do not believe the BOE cares if you are there or not. They are there for the students in Toledo. I am sure it was a malfunction in the system. However, you creating a blog about a minute problem shows your character and agenda against TPS. ANYTHING negative you can show the public about our school district in Toledo, you do. Even a malfunction in a speaker system.

"OOOOOOOOHappy days"!

Sandy opined: «Well, realistically, I do not believe the BOE cares if you are there or not. They are there for the students in Toledo.»

That's fairly a odd viewpoint for two reasons:

1. If the BOE doesn't care, then why hold public meetings at all?

2. The taxpayers PAY for the school system, hence are the real customers here. The students (i.e. their educations) are the PRODUCT; the taxpayers are the CUSTOMER. Understand?

3. If the BOE was oh-so-concerned about the students, they'd actually be educating them, and would also be obeying the NCLB Act which can only indicate a terrible school like Pickett be CLOSED to public management and turned over to private industry.

Bravo, GZ.

The BOE doesn't want the general public to attend meetings, unless those who attend are in like-minded enthusiastic support of whatever action the board happens to be taking. Every spoken word from any board member should be received by the crowd with the unbridled enthusiasm often display by Islamic fundamentalists watching news of another successful suicide bomber during a Jewish high holiday, complete with the firing of AK-47s into the air (ceiling?).

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

I believe the BOE values the public insight. However, I was referring to Purnhrts attendence. It is only my opinion.

If she frustrates them as much as she frustrates me, I would not want her there!!!

The general public comprises a spectrum of opinion, moral values, and the like. Therefore, a real professional -- knowing that -- would have to put aside their frustrations and dislikes and continue to secure the openness of the public forum.

If you cannot do that, then you should not seek to hold public office, and neither should you support similar people in public office for their same disregard for professional decorum. No one in an elected office has the right to target citizens or otherwise deny public rights. Personal feelings must be shelved.

Twila is not an actually disruptive presence. Other than that, there is no valid reason to play games with banning people and tolerating faulty forum and meeting equipment.

Purnhrt staes: "The most disrespectful action occurred at the last board meeting on Tuesday. Sitting in the audience, it was extremely difficult to hear what was being said. I don’t know if the mikes were turned down intentionally, if board members just weren’t talking into the mikes or if there was some type of malfunction with the system. "

Is this REALLY the most disrespectful action?

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

I would think that Toledoeans would be interested in how and what their public school system is doing, but we should know better by now.
As you might notice some people still have no clue
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how do you figure not being able to hear important business, such as the marina district thing is unimportant? I went to the board meeting to keep abreast of issues that affect my tax dollars.

I also did not know that there were only certain things that i could blog about. Believe me after this month of parents calling about issues with their student, I could have many many things to blog about. But it just "TICKED" me off that the sound malfunctioned. :=)

Sandy, I have attended more Board meetings in the last 13 years than probably anyone. Although Twila is certainly up there.

Over the years it has been difficult to hear. Some Board members, I believe, have purposefully not spoken into their microphones. Lately it has become a real problem especially with Ford. I'm not sure if this is intentional, but after mentioning it on many previous instances it still happens. Sometimes the sound is good, so I really have to wonder. Any decent public address system will be able to adjust microphone levels.

And yes it is a problem when the public can not hear how public business is conducted. It is our money. These are our children, neighbor's and friend's children, grandchildren.... And this institution was created to serve a public interest and affects our economic prosperity and property values.

And while I'm at it, why do we not have internet streaming of Board meetings? It has been in the community and public relations committee chaired by Sobecki and includes Steel now for a year or more. I'm now of the belief that they really don't want people to see and hear the public's business, how they relate to the community, and how most sit like bumps on a log or posture instead of ask questions and debate the issues.

So I don't see this as a minor problem but a symptom of the problem!

I agree that it is a problem and has been for some time. What I was addressing is the way Purnhrt worded this blog. It was a problem with Skyes and now Ford. I too want to yell out, "talk louder" or "talk into the microphone". However, I do not believe it is the most disrespectful issue in all the issues or life events.

I am hopeful to have meetings streamed. I would much rather watch our districts business at home verses a hard chair at the BOE.

The public has a right to know what any public school board is doing. Unlike the so-called "school boards" that run Ohio's charter school, traditional public school boards are made up of elected members. The sound system should work properly. It hasn't been the same since Mose retired!

I just wanted to make one thing clear which you referenced. You wrote that the issue of internet streaming "...has been in the community and public relations committee chaired by Sobecki and includes Steel now for a year or more." Ms. Sobecki was only sworn in 5 months ago. This issue may have been on that committee's agenda for more than one year, but Ms. Sobecki could not possibly have been involved with this item for that long. I am sure that there are other issues on their agenda as well.

I hope that I'm not improperly paraphrasing you, Steve, or quoting you out of context. You've apprised me as to how carefully you research items before you state or write them. I'm only noting this because I know that, as a sincere, concerned citizen with no personal agenda, you, Steve, would never want anyone to think that you were purposely trying to make any school board member look worse than the facts would support.

you have a good point. Sobecki has only been on the Board for 6 months and that item has been on the agenda since she was sworn in. So, yes she can't be completely responsible but still no progress. However, we can't say the same thing about Steel now can we? He wasn't pleased with streaming the video from the beginning and he is on this committee. Would you like a link to his comments?

Now how about stopping this insane dialogue where you try to put words into my mouth (by your obvious use of sarcasm) and apply a motive I simply do not have!

with you always trying to dictate to me how I should do various things. How I word what I write is my prerogative. I am not always happy with the way you use grammar, punctuation or spelling but do I chastise you? No-------wha.

And don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say anything about Ford.

And don't put words in my mouth.

Either ignore it or deny it, but stop carping and get back to the original point. You're letting yourself get sidetracked.

I didn't say anything about Ford.

You will. I have confidence in you.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

I did not say you said anything about Ford...........
I said you cannot hear him.

Get off your soapbox!!!!!

you are getting a little testy aren't you. Does your reaction fit the circumstances?

What I was trying to say and again was not clear enough for SOME PEOPLE, was that even though I had been banned, etc. etc. etc. by previous board presidents due to my "aggressiveness and attempts to hijack the board meetings", to ME it was very disrespectful to the PUBLIC to have a PUBLIC meeting that the PUBLIC couldn't hear because, either the mikes were turned down or because the participants at the horseshoe did not speak into the mike.

Was this issue the most disrespect you have really felt in all your years of advocating? Did it require a blog?

I agree that the public needs to hear. But the way you approach it is a little silly, in my opinion.

Am I testy????? Heavens no, it is not worth the energy...............

What is wrong with writing about it in a blog? Or for posting it here on the forum? Neither place is historically a place for only the most straight faced fact reporting.

Personally I think that treatment like this by the BOE needs to be made public. Yes I said I would get their reaction if Purnhrt was as aggressive with them as she is here sometimes but I still think its wrong that they would react that way.

 As often as TPS comes asking for money with levys I think they should be damn happy to answer truthfully any and all questions the voting public has about how that money is used.

 

come on now, can your read? I did not say that I personally was disrespected, I said that the PUBLIC was disrespected. But enough said on this issue with you, you wouldn't understand.

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