Maryland: 13-yr old Tries To Rape Assistant Principal


Looks like we need to get Joe Clark back into schools.

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that worked for us old timers .
Kooz , would you consider putting your email in your contact info for this sb site ? I want to email you.
You are a fellow , how do you say it, fellow God guy it seems.

Chuck, can you bring the Bible into school today as your personal reading material? For that matter, the Torah or the Koran? Will they confiscate the Upanishads?

your own Bible into school as personal reading material like any other book. What a teacher cannot do is hold class on religion or require kids to read it or to pray.

But if teachers are allowed to have personal reading materials, Bibles or other religious books can't be prohibited..

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Growing up, in New England, I never saw a bible in elementary school, junior high or high school.

Did see the book at a church and at home.

Grew up in the 60's.

Most of have been a local practice for the bibles to be in schools?

you are right , bible use was spotty, more common in the South. God and the bible are examples of internal , self restraints . When they are not utilised , then external restraints must be used, like expensive police and metal detectors.

Again, when I attended, there was no prayer.

There was the Pledge of Allegiance.

There was some limited corporal punishment, but there was no teacher lead prayers or lead by anyone else.

"Again, when I attended, there was no prayer.
There was the Pledge of Allegiance."

Problem is, I do believe there are some people who have trouble distinguishing between the two.

that our country and school system is much older than anyone who posts here. The Bible was actually a regular text book in the very early years of public education. Policy is not proved correct just because it happened in the 60's.

For anyone who thinks removing prayer from schools was a good thing....I have to has that worked out for us? Certainly, violence, disrespect, etc...has increased ten-fold since prayer was removed (the sixties).

Plus, I'd be willing to bet if the Ten Commandments were written by JFK or Martin Luther King....not only would they be displayed in every classroom.....students would probably be required to recite them every morning before class.

I'm not here to endorse religion in schools....but our schools and country sure seemed better when Christianity was not considered the enemy.

... was a good move since the public schools are secular and we live in a nation where such things are supposed to be separate from religion.

In addition, it was a great move for those of other faiths than the one espoused in the collective prayers. The rights of minorities have to be respected, and pushing Judeo-Christian prayers upon them was not respectful.

As for the violence and disrespect ... since these come from children who have their own religious mores, then what does that say instead about what children are exposed to religious-wise in their own homes and communities?

Becoming religion blind (like racial-color blindness) is a good thing, but you have to accept the natural consequences of that. One thing is that religion has to be removed from schools as a method or tool.

Fortunately, our school choices are increasing, and you can choose to school your children in an environment where religion is part of the curriculum. Hopefully Ohio gets more on the ball and allows refunds of those property taxes for people who choose to avoid the secular public schools. As a REFUND, it's not the state funding religious schools. It's your own money coming back to YOU so that YOU can CHOOSE where to spend it (as state laws tells you that you must).

how about instilled fear and outright respect?

I graduated in the class of 1970. In elementary school we started each day with the Lord's prayer and the pledge of allegiance. By the end of elementary school, the Lord's prayer had been deleted and was replaced by silent prayer. In junior high school prayer vanished, and by the end of high school the pledge of allegiance was becoming optional; Vietnam being what it was, there were a few protesters in the student body.

We had corporal punishment for the boys, but I don't think any of the girls got paddled, although a few girls richly deserved it. We also had the rifle club - evil guns in schools, oh no! However did we all live through it?

My only gripe with corporal punishment is that many of the instructors in public school have already proven themselves incompetent and untrustworthy, and on top of that, some of the teachers enjoyed hitting the students a little too much. Case in point, I think we had one woman in grade school who was sadistic, and I know that there was more than one male teacher in high school who was abusive.

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As in there is a battle being waged between parties and there are winners and losers?

The faith is not the issue, it is some of the followers, which covers all faiths, some followers want this or that, for everyone and refuse to accept that one faith does not fit all, just as we all were given different langauges and cultures.

"Certainly, violence, disrespect, etc...has increased ten-fold since prayer was removed (the sixties)"

The 60's?

It was perfectly acceptable in earlier decades to give the Mrs. a crack to the kisser if she dared to speak back at hubby.


The world throughout the ages has and continues to be a violent place at times, no matter the faith.

People pray to God before going into battle, practically all faiths do.

"The Bible was actually a regular text book in the very early years of public education."

Sure, and so was painting a scarlet letter on some women, public display of shame by locking people in Puritan Stockades and then there was respecting the Lord's Day.

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