Fred LeFebvre of WSPD With Brian Mcmahon On Intermodal Facility

This morning on the most listened to talk show in Northwest Ohio Brian McMahon laid out the reasons an intermodal facility for this area is critical. Thousancs of jobs and millions of dollars await this area if the constant bickering between city-county-township can be set aside.
They key is to get the "right people involved, and the wrong people out". The wrong people would be any politico who is unwilling to set aside his ego long enough to see the big picture. There will be no Jeep opening anytime soon in this area able to create the number of jobs needed to sustain the economy. An intermodal would do just that and have an impact on the surrounding area as well. The proof is sitting in Alliance, Texas and what Ross Perot was able to do at Hillwood. A google search can tell you all you need to know about what could happen here.
What's keeping us from reaching our potential? The politicians we continue to elect and re-elect. The mindset in Northwest Ohio needs to change or there will be no jobs for your children and grandchildren. What will be left is an aging population that can ill afford the high taxes and levys, and a poor population that relies on the few working people will continue to support with tax dollars and handouts.
It can change, only you can make it happen by putting pressure on your elected officials. Listen to the podcast and decide for yourself. http://www.wspd.com/pages/fredstop10.html

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The constant bickering takes place because Toledo politicians have NOT accepted the new economic order. They still want to get paid like Big City politicians, but Toledo is a collapsing city and must downsize its government. Call this the "legacy politics" problem. Toledo wants revenue as if factories and people DIDN'T flee. Since they DID flee, such revenue expectations are insane.

A business can open a hub right outside Toledo's boundaries and Toledo gets a fucking ZERO cut. That's the price to pay for boundaries. That's the price to pay for having such a heinous political structure that people will do ANYTHING to avoid it.

Toledo politicians are Dead Men Walking. The real offense here is how they refuse to even know that.

Im in the logistics field by trade. This was a VERY interesting interview, and well worth the 20 min I spent listening to it over my lunch hour.

Thanks Fred. If you ever have access to the powerpoint that UT is putting together (and if there are no legalities about your doing so) could you post it on WSPD's site, or maybe provide the link to it?

I do believe the public would be very interested.

I do have the powerpoint but need to check with ut about permission. That's a good idea though.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

The increase in train traffic would require millions in new overpasses, the residents in the surrounding area would freak out over the noise, the truck traffic would be slowed when mixed with passenger vehicles at freeway exits and stoplights, and where would it go, next to the port? The only place an intermodal hub makes sense in the area is on the south side of Toledo Express. Easy triple trailer access to the Turnpike, a large air cargo hub, and close proximity to rail access make it the logical location for an intermodal facility.

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"Show me a man who lives alone and has a perpetually dirty kitchen, and
five times out of nine I'll show you an exceptional man." -Charles
Bukowski

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How the HECK is Czarty supposed to control the damned thing when it's way out there?

According to the podcast it's a 400 acre site with access to the Turnpike adjacent to Toledo Express Airport.

We don't remember days only moments...

If this is the same guy who was on at 5:15 today, the land is on the north side of the airport in between the railroad and Airport Hwy. I agree that the location would be perfect for an 400 acre intermodal hub...

Except a hundred of those acres are a quarry.

The south side of the the airport is promising, though. The Port Authority owns most of the land adjacent to the airport and next to BAX's air freight hub. Rail spurs can easily be added and a freight road could connect the turnpike with the hub. The quarry is not a viable site because it's too cost prohibitive to fill it in. Despite what Brian Mcmahon said on Fred's show, the expense of filling in a quarry is the reason there has been no action on the site for 15 years.

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"Show me a man who lives alone and has a perpetually dirty kitchen, and
five times out of nine I'll show you an exceptional man." -Charles
Bukowski

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

Despite what Brian says? Here's a guy who's been working on this for a number of years and has the research to back him up, but an anonymous poster with a funny name knows what's best for the intermodal. That's why I love the blogosphere. I've seen the research and the study done by UT. The North side of the airport is the place for the intermodal because it has rail already and a slip ramp for the turnpike. The quarry over the years has been getting filled in and now takes up only 15 acres of the original 100. They have a number of companies willing to partner with them to fill it in, or to use it as a geo-thermal energy producer for the site. Had Mayor Finkbeiner acted on the water request given to him two years ago we would be well on our way to having it.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

an anonymous poster with a funny name knows what's best for the intermodal. That's why I love the blogosphere

Of which you've become an increasingly active participant in, at least on this site of late, and the guy with the funny name carries at least the same amount of weight on here as you do.

How do you know Handbanana doesn't have expertise or extensive knowledge in the field? You don't. Back to the smug, know-it-all Fred?

In any event, it's an interesting story and you get credit for the interview and followup discussion.

The only difference in progress is that the quarry would be full of water. If Carty is holding up a water line extension for two years, what happened during the previous thirteen years?

I can see why you wouldn't trust my opinion, but look at the site:

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Optimistically, the fill required to level the site will cost $35 a ton with transportation included. Do the math and it's not economically feasible to bring the quarry property to grade.

If there were no quarry there it would be a great site. But let's look at Brian Mcmahon's interests in the project, it's obvious why his investment group is pimping the land. The land has been owned by this consortium for fifteen years without movement, meaning the group's capital has been tied up for fifteen years without any return. They've probably realized they aren't going to get the project off the ground and are drumming up interest in the site to dump it. If the group had the capital or a shipping partner, the hub would have been built years ago. Why isn't NS building a rail terminal on the site? Perhaps because they don't deal with real estate speculators.

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"Show me a man who lives alone and has a perpetually dirty kitchen, and
five times out of nine I'll show you an exceptional man." -Charles
Bukowski

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

Handbanana I would like to invite you to appear on the show with your facts in place as Brian McMahon did and under your real name, handbanana just doesn't sound good on radio. I'd be glad to give you the air time to explain why this can't work. Call me at 244-8321. I'm looking forward to hearing from you soon.
As for the post before yours, it's easy to come to the "blogosphere" and talk when you don't identify yourself. there are a million of people out there who do just that. Ideas aren't discounted because anyones name if funny, but if people believe in what they say I see no reason to hide behind the fake name. I don't have a problem identifying myself, obviously Lisa Renee, Chris Myers and many others don't either.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

back to the 'fake username' debate on blog postings? Someone's opinion isn't valid because they don't use their actual name, Fred?

Hey Fred, on your show, yes, anyone being interviewed has to use their real name. But, Fred, this site...isn't your show, now is it?

Actually, when "Billybob" or "Jethro" call into WSPD from their cells with a comment while driving to or from work, or any other place they may be, are you sure they're giving their 'real' names?

You can always excercise your 'freedom of choice' Fred and stay away from the devalued 'blogosphere' where someone with a silly username's opinion doesn't really mean all that much.

Of course, this is kind of free advertising for you and your station on here, right?? So, my guess is you'll put up with it some more.

Read slowly Mc......nowhere did I say because of a fake name that anyone's opinion wasn't valid. A closer read will show what I said. If you have trouble understanding it please call me at work, I'll be glad to explain. Some people are better aural learners than visual learners, you may be one of those.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Buy say what you will, you did your best to marginalize Handbanana's comments because they dared to take a different approach than the 'expert' on your show and the fact he didn't use his real name on SB.

This isn't an extension of your show on WSPD when you comment or post here. You're not in control of the format or flow of discussion and you don't have free reign to hector at will someone with a differing opinion. That's probably a difficult, and unusual, circumstance for you to have to deal with.

On here, you're just another putz with another opinion, just like the rest of us. Keep that in mind while you troll through the oily waters of the 'blogosphere' for additional listeners to your radio show.

Maybe some of us do not want to be public people.

Maybe we do not want our names focused on.

When I read what someone writes, I read the statements and not the names, well until a trend starts and then possibly discount what a person says, based on the trend.

People who want to be in the public eye use their name, or as a branding tool, or have some cause to promote.

But I'll pass. However, it might be a good idea to have the LCIC representatives on again to ask what they have done to assist the Mcmahon group over the past 15 years. Helping projects like an intermodal hub cut through red tape is what the LCIC is supposed to do. Either the LCIC can't get a water main pushed through or they've evaluated the project and found it impractical.

As for my preference for anonymity, you only need to read a few exchanges between BrianInVeroFL and The Mehico to understand why someone would refrain from volunteering any personal information.

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"Show me a man who lives alone and has a perpetually dirty kitchen, and
five times out of nine I'll show you an exceptional man." -Charles
Bukowski

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

Fred and his ilk need to ask tougher questions from these NAMED officials. The media continues to soft-pedal the real issues. Everywhere an official looks for relief, he should find a hard-nosed reporter or talk-show host with a list of all those questions that the official doesn't want to answer.

Fred, it's the people WITH names that we need to worry about. And when I say "we", I mean YOU, and YOUR SHOW.

Well, I can see that we have to whip out the power of the blogosphere to get this particular problem resolved.

Fred, Handbanana said it would cost $35 per ton, plus shipping costs, to fill that quarry in. In contrast, you said companies would be willing to partner on the fill job. How are both possible? Even in partnerships, costs still exist and even if covered, they create a demand for repayment. What do the partners expect in return for shouldering $35/ton plug shipping, for 15 acres of deep fill?

Maybe for an exchange of information? I'm just saying, cause I don't know. But we already own property that needs environmental clean up that nobody knew about (cough Southwyck...cough) and I'd hate to see everybody's hopes up for another project that is going to clothesline us. Y'know?

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Even if the quarry's filled, would it be buildable? What's the old saying about building a house on stone vs building one on sand?

Isnt that why the Tower in Pizza leans?

And trust me, I WANT this intermodal to go thru, but like Kateb, I dont want pie in the sky either.

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