Switching Parties, Obama and Election Day

I was reading over at GCJ about it possibly being illegal to switch parties without a pledge.

First, it is strange because Obama thought I would be a voter for him. I received multiple mailings and phone calls encouraging my vote. Never once in any of the mailings did they specify what a Republican had to do to vote for him.

I also worked as a poll worker on election day. I don't recall being told to have voters sign pledges nor do I recall seeing any pledges in our bag. I know 1 out of 4 Republicans that came in to vote were switchers so we had a good number of people switch parties.

So it appears that this may have been a big problem in Lucas County. I think the switchers did matter a bit, but I doubt only switchers were only in Ohio. Other states the margin of error was not so large. I would not count out Hillary Clinton and they did hit Ohio really hard the two weeks up to election day. Maybe Obama targeting Republicans was a smart move for him, who knows.

Regardless I wonder if this will be an issue. What do you think?

No votes yet

I think Hillary "benefited" more than Obama on this one. I also think it's shameful for those Republicans that voted so.

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/120505162...

Which Reps? The ones for Hilary or Obama?

There is a tide in the affairs of men...

I voted for Hillary!!!

I had to take several showers after doing so, but I did.

It's funny how some are scolding republicans for switching sides. McCain is the nominee because of the Dems and Independents that voted for him in NH. He even thanked the independents and dems in his pre-acceptance speech. So the GOP thanks crossovers who screwed up our primary and the dems scold republicans who returned the favor.

Both sides are screwy

How will you feel if Hillary wins the general election, knowing that you may have helped her do it?

Honestly, I would rather have Hillary in office than Obama. although experience as first lady is kind of iffy, she still has more experience than Obama. Also, Obama's socialism seems further than Clinton is willing to go. And Obama has been named the most liberal senator, making me (a conservative) rather have Hillary in than Obama. Also, he's going to outspend her by a decent amount.

But if she beats McCain, it's what McCain deserves. I almost would rather have her than McCain. Almost.. The man wanted to switch parties in 2002, now he has the nomination. That doesn't make sense.

Do you understand how they rank the "Most Liberal" list?

For the first 2 years of Obama's term in the senate he was ranked in the mid-teens.

For the most recent year, he jettisoned to 1st place.

How does that happen?

Let me tell you how...

The National Journal picks, like, 15 votes out of all the votes the Senate casts in a given year and it uses this TINY sample of votes to rank who is liberal.

It identifies the Liberal position (which may be a "yea" or a "nay" depending on the specific issue) and then it counts up your liberal positions and your conservative positions.

The problem is that Obama missed many of those votes, as did every other officeholder that was running for President.

So there certainly are other Senators that have CLEARLY more liberal positions on the major issues of our day (Feingold, Boxer, etc) but since they were there for all the votes, when averaged out, their score was lower than Obamas.

Of course.... the NJ would NEVER, EVER cherry pick votes, would they? They would NEVER design a system that deliberately made it seem as though the Democratic front runner was the most liberal senator, would they? They would NEVER treat their readership as SHEEP, would they?

Yes, they would.

The real issue, Thomas, is that YOU FELL FOR IT!

And finally... about "Obama is more of a socialist." ..Again, you're falling hook, line and sinker for the GOP talking points. Look at the healthcare plans, for example:

The Hillary plan is to FORCE every adult to buy in to the system whether they can afford it or not. If you chose NOT to participate, she'll garnish your wages.

The Obama plan is to INVITE every adult to buy in, to provide subsidies and incentives to do so. But, at the end of the day, it's your choice.

Tell me, what sounds more socialistic to you?

(Ignoring for a moment that just because something is "socialist" it's not necessarily bad)

I have to say that, with all of the election problems Ohio has suffered from, this wouldn't shock me (especially in Lucas County)!

I think that the danger here is whether those who have "switched parties" illegally will have their votes counted or not? Is it an option for the officials to recount the votes or what could they do?

It was my first time voting in a primary, so I don't think my vote is in danger, but what happens in November when I want to vote, potentially, for the other party?

And, isn't this America still? Shouldn't I be permitted to vote for whomever I want whenever I want? What if I only want to change parties based on my perceptions of current candidates? Is that enough reason to want to be affiliated with a particular party? Who gets to judge whether my reasons for wanting to switch are "legitimate?" Does anyone else think this is a terribly dangerous kind of regulation for the elections people to put on the voters?

There is a tide in the affairs of men...

But

Obama was encouraging Republicans to vote for him. I can tell you I did not receive anything from Hillary's campaign and there is no doubt the type of a voter that I am. So are people angry because it appears to have favored Clinton. Regardless the issue of pledges is still an issue.

"First, it is strange because Obama thought I would be a voter for him."

sorry chris, i got so sick of them calling our house i gave them your number. :) i'm so glad Hillary stopped calling my husband, i was beginning to wonder if they had something going on. :) she would call at least 3 times a day!

well that changes everything :)

Are these pledges things that new voters should have gotten? I certainly didn't...

There is a tide in the affairs of men...

While in line, I met DEMOCRATS who were getting REPUBLICAN ballots and voting for McCain because "there is no way he can win".

I wanted to return the favor and vote for Edwards, but I didn't realize that MICHIGAN DEMOCRATS were having their votes flushed.

I always heard that crap about Democrat "voters being disenfranchised" but I never realized that IT WAS DEMOCRAPS GUILTY OF SCREWING THEIR OWN PARTY.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

dear lips blow me, take it easy on the caps-lock key, ok? and keep those lips moving.

Patience is a great virtue.

Mygosh,
lllegal to switch parties "without a pledge"? Is waterboarding next for us who purposely screw up the primary for the hell of it?
You thought it "strange because Obama thought I would be a voter for him. I received multiple mailings and phone calls encouraging my vote."
It's called mass mailing, Chris.
"Never once in any of the mailings did they specify what a Republican had to do to vote for him."
My goodness, Mr. Myers. Obama let the dumbass GOP flock wander in the wilderness. I can picture you on Election Day mindlessly walking up to your polling place but bereft of any idea of what to do once inside. "Pencil? Touch screen? Somebody get me a doughnut."
You vote for the person you like or you ask for the other party's ballot and try to mess things up. It's the American way.
Your wrote, "I also worked as a poll worker on election day. I don't recall being told to have voters sign pledges nor do I recall seeing any pledges in our bag. I know 1 out of 4 Republicans that came in to vote were switchers so we had a good number of people switch parties."
I came in and pledged allegiance to the Socialist Workers Party but they didn't have a ballot for my people. So I took the Democrat computer card instead. "Pledges"? What kind of voting system are you advocating? "D's" and "R's" burned into our foreheads?
Tell you what, do America a good deed this November. Vote for Obama. You and your children and grandchildren will be happy you did.

Patience is a great virtue.

I think my ballot was misleading.

George Bush wasn't on it so no one knew who to vote against. It's voter disenfranchisement I tell you!

MikeyA

MikeyA

it's time some for something different, and it a "newbie" will "stir the pot of the "status-quo", so be it.

I'm not comfortable with voting for someone that contributed to the decline our country is enduring.

And if Ron Paul won't run as an Independant, Obama will be the next most qualified option.

Especially seeing Ralph is a wasted vote and Pat Paulsen is dead....

I've been an enthuiastic Obama supporter since the Draft Obama movement raised money to put ads up in Hawaii while the Obama's were vacationing there over the 2006 holiday.

...And I've been a member of this site since it began, and I think this is the first time I've seen Brian actually get one right!!

Maybe there is hope for you after all.

lol appreciate it

congrats to not being a bandwagon hopper.

well done

is an entirely different matter than being asked why you chose a party or signing an oath of loyalty.

When has it been acceptable to do anything other than to register with a party? When has it been acceptable to require people to explain why they choose one party? That's not right. And it's none of their business what I think, my belief structure or who I want to vote for.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

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