Councilman Mike Collins spoke at my neighborhood group last night- new trash proposal, said WSPD won't let

him speak openly.
His idea is posted in today's Blade . He said he wants to have no fee for those who recycle , and have a disposal fee for those who don't . He told us at the Toledo Heights Neighborhood association that he wants to see 60-65% of Toledoans recycle.
He didn't say what the net impact on the refuse budget would be. He also strongly endorsed the 3/4 % payroll tax.
And told us that Fred and Brian cut him off when he is on the radio, won't let him speak freely, that they are misleading people about the budget crisis , and care only about ratings.
I was impressed with him , he spoke with candor , answered all of our questions , wants to solve problems .
Here is the Blade's story about trash fee-

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Kinda makes one wonder, why they have found religion on recycling now.
Instead the adminsitrations kept touting the Cadillac of services. Now that hub caps have come off the Cadillac, we scramble for ways to raise revenue through the trash stream.

Not sure when this guy spoke to Mike but I was on the phone with him just after 8p inviting him to appear on my show. we spoke about the new resolution and he will be this coming week.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Collins has only been on city council since January. So for him to speak up about recycling is not finding the recycling mantra, but suggesting there is a better way to do things since he now has a voice and a vote.

I frankly believe that people should pay a premium if they won't recycle. Why are we filling up landfills with items that can be recycled. If you look around, commodity prices are shooting sky high. It takes only 5% of the energy to recycle an aluminum can as opposed to a producing a new can. Not to mention freeing up a whole lot of metal that can be used for other purposes while lowering costs!

Those that fill up the landfills should pay for them! I'd favor a change or elimination of the 3/4% income tax and go to a fee system for trash based upon "usage". He who uses pays!

But I am not in favor of a "trash fee" or "red light/speed" cameras, etc. where the aim is solely to raising revenue

My comment was not aimed towards Collins.


The move for PAYT, Pay As You Throw, is an effective system across the country.


The Public Services director in Toledo, discussed implementing the system, but frankly the amount of over sight for it, is an issue.


No, Collins did not just find the recycling mantra, but he has stated that he is in support of the trash fee before the legislation was proposed.


The proposed legislation does address the recycling rate, but what of the future with the declining revenue from the 3/4 tax?


What next to tack on, that we can be accessed with a fee?

Um, Mr. Flagg - what do you think the purpose of the trash fee was? It's not about encouraging recycling- it's about reducing the deficit in the budget. Read any article about the trash fee, the council members haven't kept it a secret that that's the purpose of the fee.

if you do it just right.

Increasing community participation in a recycling program has been an objective of the city of Toledo for a long time.
They just didn't know how to accomplish that goal.

They were initially half-hearted about it, but by increasing cost to non-participants, and extending free status to participants, hopefully a significant amount of people will turn to recycling.

To tack a 'fee' on to get the attention of naysayers accomplishes two things - increased participation, and increased revenue.

Yes, I know that the fee was about increased revenue to balance the budget. I don't agree with increasing fees which create a higher tax burden on those that still live in the city. I think it is time to look at lowering taxes and fees but that is another subject.

I do believe that fees established to increase participation in a recycling program have merit as the goal is to change behavior. I would view such fees as temporary and not budget the funds for use to cover normal operating expenses as I would expect the revenue to go down over time as participation increased. The monies could be put in a rainy day fund for those days when the sun has not been seen for a while.

How much would it be for Toledo to pay NASA to eject our trash into space? Maybe it'll be a price break and empty our landfills besides justifying all the money NASA spends.



...I have recycled for a number of years (even when it wasn't very easy to do). I used the recycling center in back of the Kroger's on Glendale near South Reynolds before the city started to pick up recycling. People will only recycle if it is in their economic interests (unless they are some kind of "bleeding heart" environmentalist). I will recycle whether I pay for trash or not. But this might get another 30% to recycle that aren't doing it now. Or perhaps we ought to forget the whole thing, and in less than 20 years (not 27 like someone stated) we can go looking for some more land to fill with trash. I do have to wonder if the city will continue to use the labor intensive method of recycling, or will they be using some of their new automatic garbage trucks to pick up recyclables.

Old South End Broadway

Interesting line in the article about the new trash fee.

"Commercial and multi-family apartment complexes are required to contract for private trash hauling."

I can think of at least 6 to 10 locations that do not have dumpsters and are putting trash out for city pick up.


Question put to the authors and supporters of the trash fee, via e-mail, where is the over sight.

Someone needs to review and enforce the rules and tighten them up.


I too have recycled long before it was the fashionable thing to do - 30 years or more. And it was not easy separating and carting the stuff every where, but I felt it my duty to make as small a foot print as I could on planet earth. Unfortunately, there were not enough of us. Maybe that will change.

I also have said that one day people will be mining those old landfills. Think about that!

Perrysburg just announced they are at 67% household participation without any extra fees or savings if you recycle.
Each household got a city red bin delivered to them - no charge. Residents are notified on the main elements than can go into bins, ie. beer cans, milk jugs, soup cans, newspapers, etc... The recycle trucks separate the goods as they pick them up. Point of sort pickup speeds downstream efforts. I guess the reason so many people recycle in Perrysburg is because the city makes it easy for them and doesn't try to play "garbage getztopo"! They listed the Evergreen Landfill on East Broadway, Northwood, and the Wood County Landfill as places to take your stuff. Anyone know how close they are to filling their landfill?

Old South End Broadway

Your numbers are from the Jan 2007 state of the city results posted for 2006. Household participation was at 53% with 1191 tons collected for recycling ( ). Almost 1 out of every 3 tons was recycled in 2006. Pretty cool. The Jan 2008 state of the city results posted for 2007 listed household participation has increased to 67%. The actual tonnage will come out soon. Most of the MSW goes to Wood County landfill. Evergreen RDF has about 15 years of PERMITTED site life with additional airspace (vertical) and landspace (horizontal) available for furture permitted cell construction.

He is not happy with WSPD's role in the community, he said this to our neighborhood group in front of many people . I reported his comments above. Maybe you can ask him about that. He said you cut him off when he was on your show.
I don't know the truth of it , I am just reporting what he said to us. I saw this when I googled "recycling incentives". I guess I am trying to figure out why people don't recycle. One thing I learned is that the young are less likely to recyle than those over 62 years old (even though we think of the young as more "environmentally conscious"). My sister-in-law said that when she and my brother began to raise a family recycling seemed more important. A young guy looking for tail could probably care less about recycling.

Old South End Broadway

Sat 10:47

You do have a way with words.

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