“Where were you when Mr. Floyd Rose Crucified our police officers?”

“Where were you when Mr. Floyd Rose Crucified our police officers?”

On the Troy Neff Show, District 2 Councilman D. Michael Collins wanted to remind the community that this is not the first time Mr. Floyd Rose has attempted to bring the city to its knees.

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Scary times - and when the truth came out he wouldnt man up and admit his mistakes about it. No different than the Sharpton/Brawley lies.

Neither Rose or Sharpton has any business representing anyone, especially anything having to do with the false title "Reverend" that they gave themselves.

...and am appalled. But there could be lots of explanations. Many conservatives would not trust anything D. Michael Collins says because he was a representative of the police union. After all, union bad, business good. And in any given population of Americans will be found people who still believe that Kennedy was assassinated by a conspirators within the U.S. government. Those three black defendents could have been railroaded even though they were convicted.

Whether Rev. Floyd Rose is a political whore is just something that each of us will have to decide from our determination of the facts. And then there is the fact of usefulness. Even a liar, and an immoral leader can still provide the wherewithal to provide some good to a community. Look what Hitler did for the German people until he went over the deep-end.

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Even a liar, and an immoral leader can still provide the wherewithal to provide some good to a community.

If that's true, then we should be walkin in high cotton, huh?

But Birdy - just because Mike Collins said it and is with the union, doesnt make it false. Im a conservative, and I dislike unions, but I was also here for that Bullshit, and it's true - it happened. And when it came out that it was black people who shoved that branch up that black guy's ass, there was not a peep out of Rose. The man's a real piece of crap.

... but he's the black community's piece of crap. We just have to step carefully because he is a senior leader with a lot of respect among the black community. He stood up for the community, and raised his voice. He will never admit to any wrong. Those two white officers did it, or something else, and they deserve punishment. Any time a black man murders another black man it is a white man's fault. If there was just more justice and equality these things wouldn't happen so it is the white community's fault. Discrimination is at the root of every assault and murder in the black community.

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From OldSouthEndBrdy:

Look what Hitler did for the German people until he went over the deep-end.

Adolf Hitler was the greatest monster of the twentieth century, bar none. Just what the fuck are you saying here?

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

...until he involved in a war with the rest of the world.

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A few million Cambodians would beg to differ (their "hero" was Pol Pot). About 30 million "citizens" of the Soviet Union, and a few neighboring states might beg to differ because of Lenin and Stalin. The American Indian tribes might have trouble accepting the "evil" of Hitler after they dealt with "American" justice. One man's "hero" is another man"s "tyrant". I am sure we are well remembered in Vietnam by many, just as we will be remembered in Iraq with a certain fondness. The winners write history, not the losers. Therefore, "Hitler is the greatest monster of the Twentieth Century, bar none". Hopefully, our nation will continue to write history. We will remember ourselves as the kindest, gentlest, most honest nation in history. Just as Hitler's Germany would have remembered itself as bring "civilization" to the benighted East.

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From OldSouthEndBrdy: The German People Thought He Was Great until he involved in a war with the rest of the world.

That's not true. Some of those German people were Jewish. They didn't admire Hitler or his associates, or the members of his political party. Others were simply not accepted as Aryan, and they didn't admire Hitler either.

Hitler was responsible for the deliberate genocide of over six million people, some of whom died by slow torture in "medical experiments" that would turn the stomach of a normal person. The things that Hitler and his party did in the name of science were absolutely diabolical. I'm not sure that some of these people were completely human.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

The Volk didn't consider the Jews as German. The Jews might have considered themselves German, but the reality of it came to the surface with Krystalnacht. I have to admit I feel the same sense of alienness when I confront a Muslim woman wrapped head to toe in a some kind of wrap. I have to wonder what is hiding behind that veil. What sense of moral superiority ("I have the answers"), and dislike for my non-Islamic state. It will take many years to put "9-11" out of my consciousness.

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Most of the mainline Germans, those that did not belong to the Partei, actually viewed the Jews as their Jews. Many were put into hiding during this time. This is also evidenced by the fact that there were @ 130K Jews living in Germany at the time. If I remember correctly that nearly 80% survived the war. MOst of the Jews w/in Germany had completely assimilated into German life. Most historians at that time would have expected something llike the Holocaust to occur in France rather than Germany. Addtionally, ask yourself why the extermination camps were never located in Germany itself? After the T-4 program (forced euthanasia of the "mentally deficient) was discovered by the German people, outrage spread across the country. Hitler then realized that any attempts to conduct mass genocide would need to be conducted outside the the Vaterland. Hence the invasion of Poland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_War_Against_the_JewsTable.png, 90% of the 240,000 pre-war population of Jews living in Germany and Austria were killed. Apparently, "their" Jews didn't fare so well.

If the 30,000 Jews that survived from Germany and Austria were only German Jews, and 80% supposedly survived then there would have been less that 40,000 Jews in pre-war Germany. I just find that hard to believe.

According to this link, http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005469 there were 200,000 Jews living in Germany in 1939. According to this link, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/holocaust/maps/map1.html, there were 566, 000 living in Germany in 1939, and 185,000 living in Austria. So the number who survived is much less tha 80%. It appears that the vast majority (or perhaps even a small minority) of Germans did not conspire to save "their" Jews. There must have been some benefit to them not to behave in a humanitarian manner. What was it?

Old South End Broadway

from a map about 1980 referencing the total number of jews mentioned at the Wannsee conference in January 1942. This comes from "Prejudice Unleashed" created by the Ohio Dept. of education. If you wan further citations I have them at work. The 80% comes from memory from Holocaust classes that I have taken prior. I will admit, unlike so many others on this board, that I shot from the lip. I hope this clears up my statement.

My step mother was from Germany, a town in the eastern side and as a German citizen, she was appalled by Hitler, an ultra conservative, and it was verboten to utter his name in her presence, she was not a Jew.

A lot of Germans thought Hitler had the right idea, just as a lot of U.S. citizens feel that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11.

Not all Muslims feel the way that the radicals feel, either.

It is the fringe elements cause us to paint a people or group of people one way or another, just as not all First Nations people hold all white people to task for the past.

It will take many years to put "9-11" out of my consciousness.

Not if you're willing to run your mouth in public, it won't. Go downtown and set up your soap box, then start lecturing the "volk" about Nazi Germany, Hitler Youth and the rest of your ignorant, prejudice opinions. Give it a few minutes and 9-11 will be right out of your consciousness, along with everything else, and I think that Toledo will be a better place for the lack of one racial bigot.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Remember as we approach Lent & Ash Wed., that D. Michael Collins sees thru a glass darkly, much as we all do.


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