Have You Visited The Eries Street Market In The Last 30 Days?

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What's there now? Does the farmer's market operate in winter? They have "good" prices? Do the push "organic"? What is "unique" about the Erie Street Market?

Old South End Broadway

...bar? I wonder how difficult it would be to have a place that maybe served a beer with a sandwich until 5:00 PM, and then at 5:30 PM the full liquor license might be available? At 5:30 PM you could get a mixed drink that would go well with a good steak. Only one or two places that would be open to adults after the kiddies went home with their parents.

Old South End Broadway

... but do you count the Libbey Glass Outlet in this question?

While I was in their store, I did not go into the other portions of the market, so perhaps my answer should have been 'sort of' ...

it was a good fit and attracted different crowds or one of them had a restaurant option.

The marketplace area is ridiculous.

I drive by there often enough. Too bad there's no reason whatsoever to ever stop in. In fact, there's a very good reason to AVOID frequenting the ESM: It's a tax-subsidized TERROR upon our society and if the politicians can't be stopped from using tax money on it, we can stop it by avoiding it.

Come to think of it, the same logic applies to the Blade, except that it's not a tax-subsidized TERROR ... it's only a vanity-business TERROR.

Because the one and only reason we went there, the antiques mall, is gonzo.

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I went there a couple of times - when it was considered to be 'booming' - and was hugely disappointed, saw no reason to waste my time there. Like Toledo NEEDS another candle shop (and I get the best candles from my best friend's shop, The Tinn Soldier in Sylvania, anyway). Or handmade SOAP? (who cares?) & a spice shop (I could find any spice I wanted without having to make the drive to ESM). The deli was the only shop that showed promise to me - but I was turned off, because it seemed the turn-over was slow (not enough business - fresh meat & cheese, you have to 'sell by' or toss it), and I wondered how long they had been sitting, unsold, in the case (deli's have to be fresh or die). I was turned off by the tacky booths they called 'shops', and ESM seemed grungy to me - overall. There were a few small speciality shops (booths) for baked goods, etc. but again, how much do you have to sell to pay the rent - compared to how much business you actually GET - and how much loss did the sellers have when their products were past the 'fresh sell by' date? Even at it's boomingness best, the ESM was nearly empty, on a nice, weekend day, and I wondered why everybody seemed to think it was such a great destination. The antique mall was the only draw for me, but it was so overpriced, by "dealers" who guessed at prices, and set those prices sky high mint when in fact, they were falling apart crap - or not even the items that qualified for those sky high prices (just wishful thinking on the part of the 'dealers'). I know a lot of such 'dealers', and go to a lot of antique malls out of Toledo - so this is not unique to Toledo's antique malls - most 'dealers' don't know squat about what they are selling, and are guessing, based on a great sell they saw 'once' at an auction - or worse, based on value guides, which nobody EVER gets those overpriced items - especially since Ebay began (supply & demand, and Ebay leveled the playing field for antiques, or at least educated people more). Three such visits to the ESM antique mall left me with no desire to return. I did go to the Libbey Glass outlet - nice, but hardly worth the trip downtown (I can buy the same Libbey Glass items elsewhere for similar prices).

A BAR? Good Grief, why? Downtown Toledo has a lot of bars & restaurants, many that are dying due to the smoking ban (and it will get worse now that it's cold outside). Club Sin in Gumbos used to be booming - pre smoking ban. But even Club Sin had a lot of competition, and bit the dust. There's no shortage of bars & restaurants for adults to go to without the kids. I don't believe for a second that a bar would succeed in ESM - UNLESS - they overturned the smoking ban, and brought in a casino - OR, they took a cue from the 1970's New York club scene, and created a variety of clubs - each with it's own flavor. I recall in 1972, in New York, there was a string of clubs that was highly successful - each club was named by a day of the week (Monday's, Tuesday's, Wednesdays, etc., etc.) - and each club had it's own flavor & gimmick (one was for the suit dressed yuppies, one was filled with garrish pinball games, one was a dance club, etc.). That is my best wish for ESM. But Ohio is so hell bent on turning into Flint, Michigan - and creating an entrepreneur hell for business owners with the smoking ban & strip club laws (for our own good, dammit) - it'll never happen.

That place is awesome. Their pint glasses have a solid feel to them and the prices can't be beat. I dropped one in on my kitchen's linoleum floor and it didn't even chip the rim.

According to their website, the farmers market will open for winter on December 1st. Speaking of farmers markets, anyone willing to bet on the viability of the Westgate Farmers Market when The Fresh Market opens?

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Haven't been there for 30 MONTHS, myself, Brady.

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There's no shortage of bars and restaurants in Toledo. The wait times we see today in restaurants are a direct result of too much credit and consumer spending. It can't last and the sane person should make appropriate plans for such visits to decrease.

We can't continue to rely on replacing production industry and product retail, with service retail and bars/restaurants.

the answer for Oheilo, it seems-if we build still another bar or restaurant, they will come, and our problems will be solved.
It didn't work before the smoker ban, and it sure as hell won't work now. Is the toledo area still the one with most bars and restaurants per capita of any town in the U.S? Yeah=good luck with that. LOL

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...as part of the Erie Street Market. It may not be, but it seems to draw people to the area. I wonder if the Libbey Glass Outlet gets any benefit from the Erie Street Market? If the Erie Street Market gets shut down I hope that they will keep it looking nice enough (even if empty) so that it doesn't detract from the Libbey Glass Outlet.

Old South End Broadway

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I have been there twice in the last month.

My wife and I love Libby and we normally stroll through the market even though we don't buy anything.

I posted on Toledo Talk that there is a need for a grocery store in downtown. I've heard this from people who have thought about moving to the area as well. I'd say for the type of people that the ESM is marketed toward a perfect fit inside some of the empty space would be the Anderson's.

It's a locally owned chain and meets the needs of the intellectual types who are looking at the nearby loft appartments and who the market is geared towards. It also could work hand in hand with the farmer's market in the summer.

MikeyA

MikeyA

unfortunately, not enough affluent people live downtown to make it profitable for an Anderson's or some other food-type business to move into the ESM. There used to be a small grocery on St. Claire in the same block as the now-defunct Durty Bird, but that went belly up about a year ago. Also, I read where that grocery near the LaSalle building is not doing too well, either. Maybe, things will change in a few years. The old Willis-Day/Mayflower triangular warehouse building as you come in from The Trail has been sold to some developers and is being redone as condos. That whole warehouse district/downtown area needs a critical mass of people with money to live there. maybe, someday... but not in my lifetime, I'm afraid. It's sad.