Graduation rate for TPS tops urban average rate

Graduation rate for TPS tops urban average rate

By IGNAZIO MESSINA
BLADE STAFF WRITER

Toledo Public Schools' graduation rates exceeded the state urban average, an alliance of Ohio's big school systems said.

The coalition, known as The Ohio 8, reported that four big-city districts - Canton, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Toledo - improved overall graduation rates by more than 20 percentage points from the 1999-2000 school year to 2005-06.

The story goes on to describe a disagreement between the State of Ohio and a magazine regarding graduation percentages. Interesting...

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that would be my next question- do the districts in the state calculate rates the same way? For instance, is TPS getting kids off the books that skip out early in the year, then not counting them in the graduation rate? Kids that drop out at any point that year- are they counted?

...TPS does not have a standard, consistent method of calculating graduation rates and each school within TPS can do it differently ... subjectively deciding whether or not students who leave the school have 'transferred' or 'dropped out.'

Chris Myers has called for a uniform policy for calculating TPS grad rates.

bullshit alert.....bullshit alert.

From the story: "Of the 295 Toledo Public seniors who took at least one OGT section in March, 147 failed, which is nearly 10 percent of the district's graduating class of 1,486."

If testing 295 and 147 failed, this canNOT be extended to constitute 10% of the graduating class. Nope - sorry. It constitutes half of the testing populace as failing. You do not extrapolate controlled percentages out over an entire populace. No wonder people are screaming about how they gather their statistics.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

You are KKRRAAAAZZZEEEE!!! (LOL)

But you are right on the money!!

as quoted?

"From the story: "Of the 295 Toledo Public seniors who took at least one OGT section in March, 147 failed, which is nearly 10 percent of the district's graduating class of 1,486.""

That is an irrational conclusion from a limited set of facts. This sentence measures facts and draws a conclusion that 147 out of 295 is 10% of the graduating class. It does not take into account other students or other test dates.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Here was my statement:

Recently, Education Week released the results of the graduation rates across the nation, including the State of Ohio and the Toledo Public Schools. Local and other Ohio media covered the results (see TPS' graduation rates a matter of dispute, 6/13/07, Toledo Blade). One disturbing trend noted by the Columbus Dispatch was that the Toledo numbers had the highest discrepancy between locally calculated and State numbers (37% and 77% respectively) in the 2003 and 2004 years (see Schools' graduation rates exaggerated, report says, 6/13/07, Columbus Dispatch). On 8/16/07, the Toledo Blade, in the story on the state report cards, showed a graduation rate of all urban districts, highlighting that Toledo

This is not new language. Dropped out means they are not attending and have quit going to school. Withdrawn means that the school has forwarded the students' records to another school.

Either you send the records on from a records request at the new school or you don't. A student can't go to a public school without their records.

How can such simple things become problems? What do they do when a serious or complicated problem actually comes up? Or, heaven forbid - a serious AND complicated problem?

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Thanks. I see kindness and tolerance are your strong points. (sarcasm off)

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

To the best of my understanding, the state sets the graduation rate, based on the number of Freshmen entering and the number of seniors graduating four years later (including having to pass all 5 parts of the OGT).

"The collision of an idea with your sense of humanity, might, after careful reflection, result in the truth."

The 295 seniors who took the test in March are the Seniors who haven't passed the test in their previous attempts to do so. The 147 students who failed began taking the test in Spring 2005. Going into March of 2007, 1191 students had passed the tests and by the end of the school year, 1339 TPS Seniors had passed the OGT. The students that did not graduate due to failing the OGT had a minimum of five chances to pass the test and a maximum of seven chances.

From the OGT website:

Q:How many chances do I have to pass the
OGT?
A: OGT test administrations before graduation:

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

It says "Of the 295 Toledo Public seniors"

The OGT is given in the spring of the Sophomore year. If a student passes the OGT the first time, they need not take it again. Therefore, the only Seniors taking the OGT in Spring of 2007 are the ones who had not yet passed the test. Even then, I believe the Seniors only had to retake the sections they previously failed.

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"When I say your dumb name, please stand up briefly, but then quickly drop to your knees and forsake all others before me." -Ignignokt

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

Withdraw means that the school assumes the student goes to another school. I don't believe they have to prove it. And we all know what happens when we assume :)

... I don't see it as "working hard" to perform a minimum duty of the school system. If an official in the district is collecting data from schools for reporting to higher levels, it is incumbent upon that person to understand that their data is correct. If they suspect the data is NOT, then they should simply contact the providers of the data and use their authority directly, to ensure future compliance.

and 147 failed (after five attempts). Well, maybe that makes sense. They might all be afraid of taking tests. But if this is true I wonder how well they'll do in a stressful work-place where they'll be given a task (often with little training), and they'll keep their job based on pass/fail in the real world? I guess we can blame the teachers for that too.

Old South End Broadway

Let it go, handbanana, comprehension isn't her strong point.

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