Why Do Smokers ALWAYS have to Pay For Other People's Kids???????????

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!! Why are smokers the ones who always have to pay for the care of other people's kids? (And, how many are illegals? My sister said this CHIPS program is also in Texas, and it pays for the Mexican illegals' kids medical care. She's fuming - said she's smoking generic cigs since the tax hikes, and even they are going sky high.) What WOULD they do, if every smoker - stopped? They can't afford smokers to stop smoking, they're already feeling the financial pinch. And, WHO or WHAT will they tax NEXT, when they need to make up the losses? I want to see them start tacking on $1.00 each bottle of beer, or obesity taxes on all fast food - that's be a start. (We don't drink & rarely ever eat fast food, so we won't be affected.) I am weary of hearing how non smokers have to pay for medical bills of smokers - that is SUCH a huge LIE.

Insurance for kids
Cigarette tax could cut Ohio revenue
Thursday, August 9, 2007 3:32 AM
By Mark Niquette

Gov. Ted Strickland admitted yesterday that his support for a
federal plan to expand health-care coverage for children could cause
a loss of state revenue, and it may affect his plan to sell $5
billion in bonds backed by payments from big tobacco.

That's because the health-care expansion would be paid for in part by
increasing the federal tax on cigarettes, which could lead to fewer
packs sold, less tax revenue and lower bond prices.

But Strickland said it's a price worth paying.

"We certainly wouldn't want lack of revenue from cigarette taxes to
keep us from providing health care for our kids," he said.

Strickland and U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, went to Columbus
Children's Hospital yesterday to urge support for an expansion of the
State Children's Health Insurance Program for low-income families,
known as SCHIP.

The House has passed a bill that would expand the program by $50
billion over five years, while the Senate-passed version has a $35
billion increase. A conference committee is expected to reach a final
figure before the program expires Sept. 30.

But President Bush has vowed a veto of what he sees as a costly
expansion toward a government-run health system. He says the increase
should be $5 billion.

Strickland and Brown said that wouldn't be enough for all of the
estimated 145,000 Ohio children currently enrolled, much less for the
additional 70,000 uninsured children in the state who could be
covered under the Senate version.

"Either we will cover these children through SCHIP, or they will do
without health-care coverage," Strickland said.

The Senate version calls for raising the federal tax on a pack of
cigarettes by 61 cents, while the increase in the House version would
be 45 cents.

Ohio collected nearly $1 billion in state cigarette taxes in the
fiscal year that ended June 30, which accounted for more than 5
percent of total state tax collections.

Studies have shown that for every 10 percent increase in the price of
cigarettes, there's a 4 percent drop in smoking rates. That means
fewer people buying cigarettes, less money for the state and
potentially lower profits for tobacco companies.

It's unclear how much Ohio's revenue could be affected, but the state
plans to sell bonds this fall backed by annual payments from tobacco-
company profits from a 1998 settlement -- and higher cigarette taxes
could affect the price the state gets for those bonds, said Treasurer
Richard Cordray, a member of the new authority created to handle the

But Cordray said it's only one factor in the pricing. He argued the
impact of a cigarette-tax hike would be minor, and that the sale
still would fetch about $5 billion, as initially projected.

In the end, Strickland said, the trade-off is worth it.

"The state may get less revenue, but we'll have more resources for
children, and so we'll grow our economy or do whatever we've got to
do," he said.

Strickland and Brown said it's ultimately more expensive to pay for
emergency-room visits for uninsured kids who do not get preventative
care than it is to provide them with health coverage.

The Campaign For Tobacco-Free Kids also has said a 45-cent increase
in the federal cigarette tax would save Ohio $1.4 billion in future
health-care costs, based on the estimated number of people who would
stop smoking or wouldn't start because of the tax hike.


"We certainly wouldn't want lack of revenue from cigarette taxes to
keep us from providing health care for our kids."

Ted Strickland
Ohio governor

No votes yet

that 'children' under the new SCHIP are adults up to 25 years of age. This is a back-door attempt to finally give us socialized medicine.

You should have started the thread by asking "Why do smokers have to pay for EVERYTHING?"



"They keep talking about drafting a constitution for Iraq.Why don't we give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, and we're not using it any more".


'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

ROLL. YOUR. OWN. People need to stay at home anyway, keeping busy and seeing to their own needs, instead of going out shopping for overtaxed plastic crap after running more irreplaceable gasoline through their cars. Chances are, also, that rolling your own cigarettes results in higher-quality smoking, and maybe even leads to smoking less.

I've noticed that as the price of food has climbed, I'm eating less and am more choosy with what I eat too. More fresh vegetables have appeared in my diet since they are fairly cheap from the Broadway Market. I was too overweight anyway, so all this is a positive change.

...with details on the House and Senate versions of the bill regarding the taxes on cigars..


GZ - I've been reading that one of the by products of the smoking bans, is that people are starting to stay home more (cocoon) - same as what several Canadians have told me what's happened in Canada. Not good for business - but the antis should have thought a few steps ahead before they started to unravel the threads that held America together - freedoms. It will be the antis that will have brought America to it's knees - and all because they 'didn't like how it smelled', and didn't exercise their freedom of choise to not enter places that had smoking sections. I'm sure, it will go down in history books, like prohibition did. And the biggest mouths & pockets that got the smoking bans rolling, will go down in history as this century's Carrie Nations. I know that we haven't gone out nearly as often as we used to, pre ban. In fact, we haven't eaten out in a month - unusual for us, when we used to eat out 1-2 times a week. Soon as we started to do take out, it just got easier to stay home & do take out, or cook.

On our local front - I was told by a good friend, who is an old friend who owned Gumbos, Tangos, etc. (Cousinos) - that they filed bankrupsy. The owners said that their business dropped 60 percent after the ban. My first thought was that only Gumbos even had a smoking section that wasn't a patio - but turns out, Gumbo's Club Sin was their money maker. Then they shut the bridge down, kiss of death. My niece worked at Tangos - had to find another job after the ban, couldn't make enough tips to pay the rent. She said they started laying people off, big time. And yet, the antis tell us the ban is 'good for business'. hmmmmmmmm.

GZ - those roll your own cigs - do you know if it's possible to roll your own that are even close to a Kool?

I've read that a lot of online cigarette buyers got hit with huge tax bills, so it doesn't surprise me they'll go after roll your owns. I'm sure there will be a lot of black market activity too - just like prohibition. And then, the mob will run it. Just like prohibition. And people will die, just like prohibition. Do people not LEARN from history??? I bet that these antis would start screaming 'unfair' if they raised the taxes on beer, or fast food as high as they have tobacco. And they will. Or, why not tax laser printers (and the paper, ink etc.)????


Laser Printers as Bad for You as Cigarettes

Posted Aug 1st 2007 9:15AM by Tim Stevens
Filed under: Computers
Laser Printing: The New Black Lung?When it comes to economical printing and crisp text, it's hard to beat a laser printer. They'll spit out thousands of sharply defined pages on a single toner cartridge before needing replacement, all while hardly making a sound (and only dimming the lights a little). However, those benefits apparently come at a cost: your health. A new study from Queensland University of Technology indicates that laser printers emit clouds of fine particles when they're in use, particles that are similar to "cigarette smoke and motor vehicle emissions."

This means they're incredibly small and can get deep into your lungs and ultimately your bloodstream. Given that similar particles have shown to be factors in lung cancer, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to open a window the next time you're printing out that manuscript of yours ... assuming you ever manage to write more than a page. Maybe you should just stick with poetry.

...let me remind you of my post from July on the subject:


on another board a little while ago that some Nazi says "any study that shows business loss has been funded by the tobacco industry." JEEZ, WHAT BULLSHIT LIES these morons spew.

Star, there's a brand of tobacco called GAMBLER that makes a menthol extra light. It's pretty close to Kools.

Unfortunately, they finally noticed the RYOwners, too, must've finally been so many doing it, that it began to cut into their taxes big-time. Tax on a pound of loose tobacco would go from about a dollar and a half to eight bucks under the SCHIP deal, making a pound of backy rise from about 10-16 bucks a bag (depending on brand/blend) to 25-30 dollars.

The black market's going to start to make megabucks on this shit before too much longer.

You're right on the cocooning, Star, but it began before the smoker bans-those have just increased it/sped it up tenfold. Add the shitty economy in general, and it goes up even more. Oh, well.



"They keep talking about drafting a constitution for Iraq.Why don't we give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, and we're not using it any more".


'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

Sorry, Star. I don't smoke ... except for the visible wisps that tend to come out of my ears when someone mentions how much they love smoking bans.

I would probably smoke a bit of a very occasional cigar, if modern science could find a way to kill that awful terrible bleaaah aftertaste. So much for that, then, eh?

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