Hate group plans on return to Toledo north end neighborhood

WNWO is reporting a return to Toledo Ohio by The American National Socialist Workers Party.

Read more at: http://www.nbc24.com/Global/story.asp?S=6855006

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Oh joy, the neighborhood thugs will have another excuse to act like idiots.
It would be nice if some teaching between now that then would convince them that showing up and starting a riot is exactally what these kind of people want. They didn't even have to take a step off the curb last time to prove themselves right because of the thugs had to go start a local business on fire to prove it for them.
Sadly, I don't think even that would actually help.

I don't understand why those "opposing" these Nazis have to get "physical". Everyone bring a slingshot with little condoms filled with dog sh--. A couple of sh--balls from the crowd on each of those white sheets should send them packing, and send the message that we treat sh-- with sh--. Just hide in the middle of the opposing demonstators, and aim up with a trajectory to put sh-- on their nice, white, pointy heads.

Old South End Broadway

Maybe this mayor, unlike the last, will step in and prevent this from happening in this neighborhood in the interest of public safety.

They could easily put them in a more secluded area with more police protection for protestors.

MikeyA

MikeyA

I believe with all my heart that the reason Jack Ford lost was that a riot occurred on his watch. If a riot happens from this watch the recall campaign catch fire.

Old South End Broadway

And the American Nazis?

Old South End Broadway

If there is a riot he'll be voted out quicker than s--t through a goose.

Old South End Broadway

southend - my bet would be that the shit filled rubber would simply incite them to be more violent. And I'm sure a few would be off target, hitting bystanders or a cop. The best reaction is NO reaction - simply do not BE there, and/or ignore them completely. The reason they're coming back is because they got the reaction they were looking for the last time.

I think the nazi's wanted to provoke the blacks into behaving like the animals they think they are - and they succeeded. Ford lost my respect (and vote) over the smoking ban, coupled with how he handled the riot. He literally told the cops to be 'at ease', not defend themselves, thinking he could 'talk it out'. NO cops should EVER be told to put their safety at risk needlessly.

And if they provoke violence again, they'll come back, again. Why don't people just stay away & ignore their sorry asses? YOu give a party & nobody shows?

What everyone proposes is nice. Short of banning their "free speech" (which I would love to see happen) what alternatives are there to keeping the two opposing viewpoints apart? My idea is to "embarass" these groups so that they would be less inclined to come here. Everyone is right: they do come to provoke, and they do.

My neighbor suggested a good idea. During the week in which this "free speech" exercise is to take place the city (and even county) or local charities could offer "festivals" at several areas of the city. These would have the intention of drawing the crowds that might go to see the Nazis away.

Unfortunately, I think the citizenry would rather spend thousands on police overtime rather than "finance" an alternative measure. It isn't on really short notice, and by having them in several locations (maybe a small "festival" in each ward where there likely to be trouble) it would draw people away from the "grandstanders" of the American Nazi Party.

Oh, well, after the riot we'll be able to get rid of Carty. The "Recall Carty" petition will get the thousands of votes it needs to put the "recall" on the ballot, and a majority will be voting to "recall" a man who can't keep a lid on trouble in this city.

Old South End Broadway

Saw this on their site. I wonder who their allies are in this town? http://kentuckyanswp.blogspot.com/2007/07/jew-mayor-of-toledo-called-me-...

Old South End Broadway

I realize that free speech & freedom to assemble rights give this group the 'right' to come here & march. However, I bet that if I want to have a parade, I'd probably need a permit, and my parade would have to be in a certain location, right (if I'm wrong, let me know)? My husband was telling me of a city (Detroit maybe?) where the Nazi's held their gig, and the city constructed a chain link fence & the Nazi's were restricted within the limits of the fence. If they restrict their 'gig' to the standard, downtown parade route, and don't allow them to parade in neighborhoods, it'd at least limit them a bit. What I get angry about is the cost to the city for security, damages done. People have different opinions all the time - some are ugly, like the Nazi's, but we don't have to feed them, which is what they're counting on. They are coming to provoke an ugly response by the blacks - worked before, they assume it will work again. And after the fact, they think they "WON" because they got exactly the results they were looking for - proof that a race is uncivilized. So why give them that? Why can't people just stay the hell AWAY? Let them protest, march, whatever it is they do - but ignore them. Why play into their hands? If people think they will 'win' a match with the Nazi's by acting out over them, they're wrong. Find someplace else to be that day - ignore them, the way you'd ignore a nasty neighbor or cousin. Indifference is powerful - no reaction, they'll maybe stop coming. But the city has to lay down serious ground rules if they come: by restricting to a limited area where they can be or go, no neighborhoods allowed. I think any group like this should be required to have to sign a contract that they will have to pay for security & any damages that can be proved they caused. (yes, I know - impossible to prove who did damages - but at least be required to pay for security).

On the one hand you have this entry, http://kentuckyanswp.blogspot.com/2007/07/answp-coming-to-toledo-ohio-au..., and on the other hand another faction that seems to say they've been in Toledo every week-end distributing leaflets without trouble. The second group tries to sound very calm, and reasonable. I guess you have the "rabblerousers" and "intellectuals" in every group. The SD, and the SS.

I've always thought that Hitler was a "compromise" leader for the Nazis. That there were those who were more "liberal", and thsoe who were "off the wall". Can you imagine someone being more "off-the-wall" than Hitler? Hilter represented the "big tent" of National Socialism. Hopefully, the ANSWP's internal struggles won't play out here in Toledo.

Old South End Broadway

"The National Socialist Movement returned to Toledo two months later and held a rally on a Sunday outside Government Center - which was surrounded by a large and well-equipped law enforcement presence as well as yards of fencing designed to keep the neo-Nazis and those opposed to their presence separated." The Blade

Old South End Broadway

The most rabid ones seems to be coming from Kentucky,
http://kentuckyanswp.blogspot.com/2007/07/jew-mayor-of-toledo-called-me-.... I wonder if it has anything to do with the legends about the predeliction to incest in that part of the country, and the mental defectives that result.

Old South End Broadway

You stated:

"I think the nazi's wanted to provoke the blacks into behaving like the animals they think they are - and they succeeded"

It is people like you who fuel people like the Nazi's.

I am black, am proud of it, wouldn't be anything else, am happy in the skin I am in, my hair is nappy, I can speak the King's English or Ebonics, which means I am bi-lingual, live in the hood, love myself and my people, experience overt racism on a daily basis in this "all American city of the future", have never acted or behaved like an animal, never considered myself or any black that I know an animal, and am appalled by your comments.

Some of the comments that I have read on this blog lead me to believe Toledo is fertile ground for recruiting by the Klan (Nazi) group or whoever they are.

Your comment was posted at 7:45 PM Monday and not one person was offended by your comment. Shame on all of you.

When I've been chased down the street on my bike because I'm white do you think I'm likely to forget. It flows both ways, but people should try to deal with one another. I didn't take Starling to task because I am as guilty in my thinking as anyone (includig you) about racism. Being aware of it can at least prevent you (or me) from acting on it. There is a man across the street who is black, and as honorable as any man I've met. And yet I've been accosted by men who've treated me badly "because" I am white. It is not something I can forget, but I can try to deal better with the next person. Can you?

Old South End Broadway

Beam me up Scotty!

"...not one person was offended by your comment. Shame on all of you."

The comment did not get a comment from me, as I took for what it is, a comment that the hate group would want us to believe and it is not true.

http://toledoohioneighborhoodconcerns.com/blog

While you are beaming up, beam me up also.

The comment from Starling was:

"I think the nazi's wanted to provoke the blacks into behaving like the animals they think they are - and they succeeded"

Toledo is fertile ground for the Nazi (klan) recruitment, which is why they will be back. Should be interesting!!

Brian Oh here we go again In Florida, Did I say you were a racist? From the way I read it you brought up the "race card" whatever that is.

Hate groups, be it racist, homophobe, anit establishment..whatever they are, should be ignored. Though free speech applies to everyone, not everything that is said is worthy of comment or attendance. If we want to stop the spread of hate, the spread of disfunction and so on, we must learn to control ourselves first. We cannot remove a splinter from another's eye with a log in our own. Self-hatred is usually the spir of hate activity. Ignorance and stupidity are reality in some sections of society. It's foolish to engage a fool(s) in conversation lest you likewise become a fool. Who's more foolish, the fool or the fools that follow them?

If they show up, and that's a big if: we should obstain from attendance and comment. Just this thread, if read by that group will drive them into coming here. hate groups deserve 0 respect, 0 acceptance, 0 tollerance. Just don't go..it's that simple. In this way, should there be a "problem" it will not be the citizens of Toledo's fault. It will be just the group and then they can be dealt with by the athorities.

Toledoans, and the Klansman, and Toledoans don't show (unless "liberals" from outside the city show). Supposedly, that is what happened before. The riots were blamed on groups showing up from Michigan, and inciting confrontation.

Old South End Broadway

either Klansman, or blacks. I think Starling was referring that the "Klansman" "wanted to provoke the blacks into behaving like the animals they (the Klansman) think they (the blacks) are - and they succeeded""

Old South End Broadway

and we all make mistakes with it. When I hear "motherf-cker" I get riled, and yet to someone else it is just a term of endearment, an exchange of words between friends or acquaintances. I want to throttle the person who uses it, and they want to exchange a handshake. LOL, at my pc'ness.

Old South End Broadway

The idea that Toledo

Old South End Broadway

there'll be lots of votes for it after the riot.

Old South End Broadway

As stated before, I as a black do not consider myself an animal.

"the blacks into behaving like the animals they (the Klansman) think they (the blacks) are"

people of faith could come together on the other end of Toledo and pray for a violence free event. Pray for the enlightenment of the warped minds that dicriminate on the basis of race and hate of all kinds.

but it seemed you were attributing to Starling02 a thought, or belief that she was attributing to these Klansman. You took what may have been an innocent attempt to explain the riot that happened into her "support" for the belief-system that contributed the provocations to it. Give her the benefit of the doubt.

Old South End Broadway

Germany beefs up anti-Nazi laws
NPD march in Dresden, 13 Feb 05

Germany's parliament has tightened restrictions on neo-Nazi marches to keep them away from sensitive memorials such as former concentration camps.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4339983.stm

Berlin is also set to outline plans to ban Nazi symbols like the swastika, which, like denying the massacre of the Jews, is already outlawed in Germany.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6263103.stm

http://toledoohioneighborhoodconcerns.com/blog

prnhurt - I think that allowing the nazi group to come here, is a disqusting to do. I did NOT mean that the blacks behaved like animals, proving the nazi's right. I MEANT (I should have worded my original comment better) - that the Nazi's came here with hate against blacks (and jews, etc.) with the beliefs that the blacks, et al are lesser than whites are, and they KNEW that just by showing up & pushing some buttons, they'd be able to fire people up to create a riot of sorts. That resulting riot did not result because many of it's players were black (there were many whites as well). But the Nazi's played it up HUGELY that the riot was because the blacks were everything they'd claimed they were - animals. The NAZI's blamed it all on the blacks - I did NOT. I am not a racist, and from what I could tell from the nazi's last visit here, there were as many , or more whites misbehaving as blacks. But you'll never convince the nazi's of that - they want people to believe the blacks were at fault, because it's the message they are pushing. My point was just to tell people to stay away when they come, do not react, to ignore them, don't feed their hate, because if they get people riled up again like last time, they will AGAIN, think they were right, and have WON. I understand why their appearance here would rile people up - why it'd make people want to march in the streets against the nazis - I do. But that is exactly what the nazi's want & expect to happen - they are banking on the idea that if they come to parade in Toledo, people here will BE storming the streets looking for a fight - which will (in the nazi's eyes & minds) prove them right.

I'm sorry if my original comment came off skewed prnhurt - not how I intended it. I have no race issues at all - I have never had a bad experience with a black (or Mexican, Italian, etc.) in my life - I can't say the same about whites, of which there's been more than a few.

Its good to see that everyone who is posting understands Toledoeons don't want the Nazi's here. I wonder what would happen if the news media reported, "Nazi's March Down Lagrange Street. Not a Single Citizen Witnessed The March". Now, that would make a great headline.

The people involved in the riot that lived in the area or who were visiting people in the area were not disturbed because the Nazi's came to Toledo. What was disturbing to them was the fact that they (the Nazi)were allowed to be in a neighborhood and then the residents were told to go home. Their response (which was reasonable for any thinking person) was, "we are at home."

The police or the city did not honor the fact that this was a neighborhood, protected the invaders and attacked the residents.

Their (the black people) behavior was what would be expected if they were being invaded and occupied.

The people involved in the riot that lived in the area or who were visiting people in the area were not disturbed because the Nazi's came to Toledo. What was disturbing to them was the fact that they were allowed to be in a neighborhood and then the residents were told to go home. Their response (which was reasonable for any thinking person) was, "we are at home."

The police or the city did not honor the fact that this was a neighborhood, protected the invaders and attacked the residents.

Their (the black people) behavior was what would be expected if they were being invaded and occupied.

Their response (which was reasonable for any thinking person) was, "we are at home."

Their (the black people) behavior was what would be expected if they were being invaded and occupied.

Oh yeah, I guess looking it in that light you've got a point. I guess if some hate group marched down my street I'd run right down and loot my local butcher...

Give me a break.

"The police or the city did not honor the fact that this was a neighborhood, protected the invaders and attacked the residents."

You're right purnht. And as a result the police chief was fired and the mayor was voted out.

Unfortunately the new mayor (formerly an old mayor) REHIRED the old chief AND MADE HIM FIRE CHIEF and if the "new mayor" is serious about stopping them from marching this time remains to be seen.

I highlight this because this is how bad Toledo politics has gotten. It's too much the old buddy-buddy system. One guy does something stupid and his buddy puts him into office later on only to do something stupid again.

We need to change the rules regarding how we can elect a mayor to allow for more than just two candidates out of the primary. If we do that then a viable candidate can be brought into the mix free of winning by just getting the backing of the blade or a local union. Only then will this town have a chance of surviving the back door shenanigans of politics.

MikeyA

MikeyA

Truer words were never spoken!

purnhrt said ""The police or the city did not honor the fact that this was a neighborhood, protected the invaders and attacked the residents."
I agree 100 percent with you on that. Why on earth did (and will) they even allow the nazis to invade a neighborhood? Doesn't Toledo have a designated parade route? If so, they should be required to stay within the confines of that route, for "X" period of time, and be expected to pay for at least a big part of the added security. Or, a designated "protest" area could be sectioned off with chain link fencing - NOT in a neighborhood. That is unfair to put allow them to invade a neighborhood.

Having said that, I have to agree with a lot that ohiokat said - the nazi's were long gone, and the riot was still in full force. The nazi's did not burn down that old man's bar.

I can see where the folks who lived there perceived it was an invasion. Whoever approved the march through the neighborhood can credit themselves with inciting a riot. Its depressing to see that the police who the residents pay taxes to employ, protect the invaders and arrest the defenders of the neighborhood. I don't agree with the rioting and the burning of a business. What the people in the neighborhood should have done was ignored the nazi's and they would have left and never come back.

Look what Napoleon had to do when he invaded Moscow. He arrived in Moscow and found nobody home. He left and suffered a devastating defeat. If the nazi's would have come in manhandling people and damaging property, I can see a physical reaction. This was not the time for a riot.

True riots are never planned. They are spontaneous and they don't stop because the problem has left. Remember 1967-1968.

and until "long term" is addressed, Toledo will continue to be the destination of these kinds of threats.

It's too easy to comprehend, but if you fight it, you make it stronger.

I don't think riots are usually planned. And even if they are, they can't always be prevented. The Detroit riot of 1967 & Kent State proved that. I was in early high school then, and remember being stunned at the Detroit riots. My dad owned a bar on Dorr St., across from the Black Panther Headquarters in Toledo, and blacks were being bused into schools - we had a lot of great black kids in our school, super nice kids - but I had no idea of the fear that had to have been in their minds. (Rose Russell Stewart of The Blade went to the same school & wrote a great column about that.). Everybody I ever saw, just got along really well - my dad's bar partner was also black. I was too young & ignorant to even realize that this wasn't always the case. I just never, ever recall feeling anything but good about blacks, and never had problems ever. So I was in shock when the Detroit riots started. I think that was the first time in my life that it hit me, that there even was such a thing a a race problem. Of course I knew bits & pieces about history - but nothing that came close to touching my life.

We really thought we had a plan. OSU has a farm out near there and they opened it up and we held an impromptu fair. Everybody in town closed up shop and left for the day - it was great to see everybody come together.

HOWEVER, the KKK brought a busload of 'demonstrators' with signs that said things like 'Death to the KKK'. The town was deserted - they put this whole dog and pony show on and the three local networks filmed it and reported on it as though the KKK supplied demonstrators were London folks.

I don't see an upside to this. But it makes me want to take my bat and see the show.

Sorry - that's just how I feel. I know that's not the answer but these people are an abomination.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

My belief is there may be a connection with this hate group and some very high-up people in local government. All of a sudden this hate group wants to come back. Smells of sauerkraut to me.

IMO, the primary reason Ford lost was his smoker ban. I know small local business DESPISED him. He and Block are the two you can personally thank for the statewide ban, as toledos' got the ball rolling.

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BRING THE TROOPS HOME-NOW!

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

Right on, Star. People looking for trouble themselves (using the ratzis as an excuse) will NOT stay away, though. Not while they have a chance to break or destroy something-or someone.

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BRING THE TROOPS HOME-NOW!

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"They keep talking about drafting a constitution for Iraq.Why don't we give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, and we're not using it any more".

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

I'm not entirely sure you're reading what she wrote correctly.

...because nobody commented we're all racists? I'll remind myself and encourage all Toledoans to have Starling email the whole city to let them know she posted something you don't agree with so everyone can comment before midnight.

It's looking a lot like the postings are concerned with a deterrant to the nazi's, not encouraging more to come. I think your "racism" glasses are clouding your vision.

Amazing....reliable "Race Card" Purnhrt's here to fan the flames of racism.

I believe that you are misinterperting Starlings comments Purnhrt.

I think the nazi's wanted to provoke the blacks into behaving like the animals they think they are - and they succeeded

The riot that happened in North Toledo was exactally what they were hoping would happen. The fact that it did, means they succeeded (or that they think/feel they succeeded) in proving their point.

Thier point. Not Starlings.

We all can agree that most Toledoens don't want the Nazi's or any other hate group coming to Toledo and marching. Besides, we already do a pretty good job of being silly about racial issues in Toledo. Hey, I'm from Toledo and I see the racial friction all the time. I don't know the answer how to respond to a hate group coming to Toledo. I don't know if I should ignore them or throw shit balls. I do know what I am going to do. I'm not going to ignore them. The German people kind of ignored them back in the first half of the 20th Century. Well, we know what happened. I'm not going to throw shit balls at them either. It is their right to march and to speak their ideology. I don't have to listen to it or buy into it. I read, see and hear disturbing things everyday, but I choose not to buy into these things. I am thankful that I have the capacity to respect my fellow man and women. Let them do their march, in compliance with the law, and let them move on. There will be some clowns who will think the Nazi's are wonderful, but they are already looking for a cause of hatred. As long as the Nazi's march and speak lawfully, leave them alone. If they become unlawful, let our law enforcement agencies deal with them.

It was not resonable. They were not invaded and they were not occupied. Are you serious?
Sheesh why do you give these jackasses more credit then they are worth?

It was not resonable in any way shape or form to burn out a business that had nothing to do with the nazi/klan. Other businesses were broken into including a 7-11. Police officers and emergency responders were injured. A four hour riot because of 15 people and the only people effected were Toledoans. Hell the nazi's were long gone and still they kept fighting so where is your justification for that?

How stupid is it to hurt yourself because someone says something you don't like? It really doesn't make much sense.

It doesn't matter if you like what they had to say, this is the USA and freedome of speech means even the klan/nazi's get to gather and parade or otherwise get their message out.
You don't have to like it. You also don't have to listen. But they still have the right to say it.

"Race relations in LaGrange had been tense recently. African-Americans had moved into the historically Polish neighborhood north of downtown Toledo for years without much visible tension. Last year, however, when organizers of the annual Polish Fest required that minors be accompanied by parents, many people noticed that only black kids were turned away while white kids were allowed in by themselves. It was an incident that still upsets many local African-Americans, says Toledo City Councilman Frank Szollosi. This summer, an argument over gang activity erupted when LaGrange resident Thomas Szych, who is white, complained that local African-American children were dealing drugs and made hundreds of calls of complaints to local police. In interviews with Toledo media, Szych described two African-American police officers as "gorillas with guns." But the police found little evidence of gangs in the neighborhood."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1118339,00.htm

http://toledoohioneighborhoodconcerns.com/blog

Riots may be planned but they can be avoided. You can choose not to react. The rioters didn't and all they did was play right into the nazi marchers plans.

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