Toledo voters may get say on budget bill

From the Toledo Blade: Toledoans may get the chance to vote this year on requiring the mayor to send City Council a balanced-budget estimate each fall for the following year.Council yesterday approved seeking a change in the city's charter that would require Mayor Carty Finkbeiner to do just that. The mayor still has to sign off on the charter amendment before it can go on the ballot.

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Czarty will never sign this.

I think the Council should be the "Law making" entity, and the mayor should not have veto power over Council in terms of the Charter. City Council is the voting body that reps the citizens. The mayor and administration should be following the law of the people, not making it for the people.

but have they the guts to do it?

If we, the citizens, tell them to...light up the switchboard and send the e-mails supporting the amendment.


If Carty vetoes this, what do you think this will do to the Recall efforts. I signed last weekend and they said they were just over 6,000 of the needed 20K. Last night they said they were halfway there.

Im thinking that if carty vetoes this, it'll boost them right over the top.

I know if the president doesn't sign a bill after 10 working days the bill becomes law. Does the same apply for the city and the mayor?

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"If the Mayor does not sign or return an ordinance or resolution as approved or vetoed within said ten (10) days after its passage or adoption, it shall take effect in the same manner as if the Mayor had approved and signed it on the tenth day."

I just spoke with City Council staffers and have confirmed the following. This issue on the balanced budget measure decided by council yesterday DOESN'T GO BEFORE THE MAYOR FOR VETO/PASSAGE....IT GOES PAST HIM AND STRAIGHT TO THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER. The decision was to put it on the ballot, period.

" Section 5. Amending Charter.

Any amendment to this Charter may be submitted to the electors of the City for adoption by resolution of the Council, two-thirds of the members thereof concurring, and shall be submitted when a petition is filed with the Clerk of the Council setting forth the proposed amendment and signed by not less than ten percent of the electors. In either case, the proposed amendment shall be voted upon at the next regular municipal election if one shall occur not less than sixty, nor more than one hundred and twenty days after the passage of a resolution therefor by the Council. Otherwise, a special election shall be called and held within the time aforesaid for the consideration of such proposedamendment. It shall be the duty of the Clerk to notify the election authorities of the adoption by the Council of a resolution for submission of a proposed amendment, or of his or her determination that a sufficient petition for submission has been filed with him or her; and the Clerk shall request the election authorities to provide for an election as aforesaid. The full text of the proposed Charter amendment shall be published once a week for not less than two consecutive weeks in a newspaper published in the municipal corporation, with the first publication being at least fifteen days prior to the election at which the amendment is to be submitted to the electors. If no newspaper is published in the municipal corporation, then such publication shall be made in a newspaper of general circulation within the municipal corporation.

Section 43A. Mayor's Veto Power.

Any ordinance or resolution passed by the Council shall be signed by the President of Council or other presiding officer and attested to by the Clerk of Council, who shall, unless otherwise provided herein, present it forthwith to the Mayor. If the Mayor approves such ordinance or resolution, the Mayor shall sign it and return it to the Clerk within ten (10) days after its passage or adoption by the Council; but if the Mayor does not approve it, the Mayor shall within said ten (10) days return it, as vetoed, together with the Mayor's objections, to the Clerk of the Council, who shall transmit the same to the Council at the next regular meeting thereof, which objections the Council shall cause to be entered in full on its Journal. The Mayor may approve or veto the whole or any item or part of an ordinance or resolution; provided, however, that the Clerk shall not present to the Mayor and the Mayor may not veto the whole or any item or part of any measure which has been duly initiated by the electors or is subject to mandatory referendum under either Section 5 or Chapter VI of this Charter. If the Mayor does not sign or return an ordinance or resolution as approved or vetoed within said ten (10) days after its passage or adoption, it shall take effect in the same manner as if the Mayor had approved and signed it on the tenth day.

(Added by electors 11-3-92)
Section 43B. Power of Council to Override.

When the Mayor exercises the veto power as to any ordinance or resolution, or part thereof, and returns it to the Council with the Mayor's objections, the Council shall, at the next regular meeting, proceed to reconsider it, and if upon reconsideration, the resolution or ordinance, or part, or item thereof disapproved by the Mayor be approved by a three-fourths (3/4) vote of all members of the Council, it shall then take effect without the signature of the Mayor. In all such cases the votes shall be taken by yeas and nays and entered on the Journal."$fn=default.htm$3.0$vid=amlegal:toledo_oh

Can and should over the veto.

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