Can The Sewer System Near Downtown Toledo Be Modernized At a Reasonable Cost?

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and I would assume that if the sewers would have to be enlarged to take care of increased run-off I would see a lot of damage to property, and an increase in my taxes. Perhaps I am wrong, but I think that might be part of the problem with the near down-town areas. Building drainage in a "new" area would seem to be a lot easier than trying to build larger, newer sewer systems in the near downtown area. So to me the question becomes: is it worth it? Is it worth it to the taxpayers to save old structures enough that they are willing to pony up for new sewers to be emplaced at the extra cost of working in a built-up area? Or should we accept the possibility that to have new sewers the old structures might have to be moved (or torn down) to get into the ground to do the job right the first time?

Old South End Broadway

In all do respect don't u have anything else to do than place your stupid polls on this site?

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richbuckeye= don't you have anything better to do with your time than respond to threads that you think are a waste of time?

Sewers - I honestly have no idea of what it'd cost. Off the top of my head, I'd say that sewers should be more of a priority than WiFi.

after I did some research. I perhaps should have done a little first. It seems as though for storm sewers (which seem more expensive than sanitary sewers) the costs vary between $30-$200 a linear foot as shown by this company doing work around Lima

http://www.kohlikaliher.com/stormwater.phtml

Depending on how much work would have to be done perhaps maintaining and upgrading such infrastructure would not be as expensive for a city such as Toledo (especially for the older parts of the city) as I suspected.

Old South End Broadway

The Anthony Wayne Bridge opened in 1931. "The $3 million suspension bridge is 3,215 feet long including approaches and raises 104 feet above the water at its midpoint."

The new bridge over the Maumee cost $220,000,000 with 8,000 feet of approachway, and bridge. It was almost $30,000 a foot. So any bridge that replaces the Anthony Wayne Bridge will probably be at least $100 million dollars. I wonder how much more useful life the "High Level Bridge" has left?

And will design be a factor, or just utilitarian value. The new bridge is beautiful, and soars, but I am not sure as a taxpayer I can continue to combine beauty with functiionality if it perhaps doubles the price of the project. Not unless the people of the state of Ohio (and perhaps these 50 United States) are willing to help defray the cost with their contributions to beautifying Toledo's (and part of America's) skyline.

Old South End Broadway

Sanitary sewers typically cost more than storm sewers in our area because they are deeper and require more testing and permits, etc. The materials used to construct each type of conveyance system are basically the same. Older parts of town have combined storm/sanitary sewers. They are costly to separate so the city has opted to upgrade the treatment plant instead. The best option for people who have sewage backing up into their basements is to have a check-valve installed on their sewer tap which prevents backflow. The cost should be around $2000 for this and an outfit such as roto-rooter can do the work. The city also has a reimbursement program so you can get some of the money back.

The long term solution is to start adding detention areas to the urban landscape such as rain gardens (bio-retention basins), green roofs, etc. Go here for some links to more info: www.maumeevalleyeng.com

that's the kind of input I was hoping for. I just brought up the idea because I found it interesting. So there are solutions, perhaps even "green" ones, but most people (including myself) are ignorant of them. Also, maybe the Anthony Wayne Bridge will have a longer life expectancy than I assume.

Part of the problem, I suppose, is the heavier traffic (not just volume, but weight) that this structure has to bear. I assume when it was first built allowance was made for maximum weights, but I don't suppose that the engineers ever considered the weights now allowed per axle on some of the trucks, or even the increased weight of cars.

One way to get around that would be to ensure that the bigger freight vehicles don't use the bridge, but maybe the damage has already been done. Any expertise out there to answer that question?

Old South End Broadway

Back in the day, engineers tended to over-design structures. My guess is that if the steel cables and other structural members are maintained and kept in good shape, the bridge will be able to withstand modern loads. Even so, it will have to be resurfaced from time to time.

As for replacement costs, I would hope it would be cheaper per foot than the new bridge since it doesn't have all the entrance and exit ramps adding cost to the project. Also, it wouldn't need to be 8 lanes wide.

Regarding flooding, handbanana's comment on permeable pavement is a good one too. It can be used for sidewalks, driveways, parking lots, and anywhere else that doesn't experience heavy truck traffic. Kuhlman Corp. in Toledo has more info on this product. If you are planning to replace a driveway or install a new patio, you should look into it.

I use this bridge all the time when I go to see my brother on the east side, or to exercise with friends at Pearson Park. Hopefully it will last through my lifetime (before it needs major resurfacing), and provide Toledo valuable service.

Old South End Broadway

Water, sewers, roads, sidewalks, bridges and other intregal infrastructure.

Permeable pavement: When used in parking lots, it creates a retention area for rainwater that would otherwise be drained directly into the combined sewer system.

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