Ninth Grade Proficiency should be passed before any student should be allowed to graduate.

I attended the TPS policy board meeting May 25, 2007. On the agenda was the Graduation Excercises Policy File IKFB. Adopted 10/25/1994 and Revised 11/27/2001.

This policy states"In order to participate in any graduation exercises, a student must successfully complete all graduation requirements, i.e., earn 21 units as detailed in policy IKF; pass all parts of the Ohio Ninth Grade Proficiency Test; pay all school-related fines; and be in good standing with the office of pupil personnel. The high school principal of the school a student is attending shall determine the student's standing regarding successful completion of all graduation requirements."

This policy states nothing about passing the OGT. It would seem to me that in order to graduate according to the TPS board policy all students would have to pass the Ninth Grade proficiency Test which was not given to any students as now the students have to take the OGT.

My question would be why did the board not change the policy to reflect the change from the Ninth Grade Proficiency Test to the OGT. This was changed three years ago, but not reflected in the TPS board policy. This lack of concern for students is appalling.

I am not an attorney but it would seem to me that the board policy in effect May 25, 2007 when it was decided that 147 students would not be allowed to graduate because they failed the OGT (some by 2,3 or 4 points) states that students would have to pass the Ninth Grade Proficiency Test which no student took. Does that mean then that no TPS student should be allowed to graduate?

TPS school Polly Fox is graduating all of their students although no one passed all 5 parts of the proficiency.

All of these students should be allowed to walk with their peers at graduation. The theory put forth by Mr. Crystal Ellis is that graduations would be diminished by allowing these students to graduate. He stated that the standards would be lowered. The standards were lowered when the board did not take care of business by changing the policy in a timely manner.

I brought this discrepancy to the attention of Steve Steel the chair of the Policy Committee but basically told me to stop repeating myself and noe of the media reported the discrepancy.

What do you think?

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I brought this discrepancy to the attention of Steve Steel the chair of the Policy Committee but basically he told me to stop repeating myself and none of the media reported the discrepancy.

What do you think?

Well, I think you're opinionized fact statement is outrageous. First, the state constitution mandates that the state is in charge of public education, not local school boards. Since the state created the OGT, the state is inherently and judicially right. I'm shocked by the lack of knowledge exercised by those who supposedly want to make TPS better. The law is very clear, yet somehow still unconstitutional.

...and the class of 2007 became the first required to pass the OGT instead of the 9th Grade Proficiency.

In what is becomming common at TPS, the board and administration erred in that they didn't update the policies to reflect the change - even though they instituted all other changes necessary to comply with state law. I suppose that some would say policies/procedures are often outdated or in constant need of updating. (It was one of the first things the three commissioners agreed on when I was first elected - that we needed to update all our policies and procedures because it hadn't been done in quite a while).

TPS followed the state law, even though their policies were not current and they took action to update their policies as soon as they became aware of the fact that they needed to do so.

A failure of the Board to keep their policies current when state law is clear is not an excuse to allow some children to gain the benefits of graduation without accomplishing the requirements.

It's also my understanding that these kids knew of the requirement to pass the OGT long before they knew about the failure of the Board to keep it's policies/procedures updated.

we are probably to blame for the kids who couldn't participate in their graduation ceremony feeling cheated. After all we have a "graduation" party when they complete pre-school and another ceremony when they successfully complete kindergarten. The everyone gets a medal mentality is one of the factors undermining our kids' drive to succeed. They develop an "entitlement mentality" by the time they reach jr. high school. Showing up is a great first start in life but at some point you have to know what your doing.

bill

Regardless of the policy language you won't convince me that even a single student didn't understand the need to pass the OGT to graduate.
The schools should consider the testing procedures similar to those used to qualify for real estate, investment or mortgage licensing. You can schedule them at your convenience instead of shutting down the classroom to administer them and you can take them as many times as you need to pass. There is no waiver for being a few points short. You can bet most of those 147 kids would like another shot at it right now.

It is amazing to me how the educational establishments are finding new and improved ways to strip students of their diplomas or taking part in their graduation exercises.

I just read where five students in Illinois have been denied diplomas because someone cheered when their names were called to get their diplomas.

The case in Toledo with the Toledo 147 involves Graduation Exercises, not the awarding of a diploma. Individuals act as if these students just woke up and said "wow, I think I'll take the test today in my senior year." When in actuality according to these student's parents they have been taking the test since 10th grade. In January someone should have been alarmed enough to say "wow we have an awful lot of students who have not passed the OGT, who are seniors and scheduled to graduate." Instead everyone ignored the signs. The test was given again in March and the results just came out two weeks ago causing this issue.

The students who have jobs have paid for tutoring, they have taken classes after school and tried all types of intervention to pass the OGT. To no avail for 147 of them.

The policy that I quoted verbatim is the policy for Graduation Exercises, not receiving the diploma. The students are allowed to take the test one more time this summer but then it will be too late to walk with their class. All they are asking for is the opportunity to walk across the stage and get a blank diploma. This the University of Toledo does for it's students who come up short by the June graduation. Why wouldn't a public school system do the same thing?

The students feel that some of the material was not taught to them. I believe that because Ms. Kilbride of TPS keeps stating that they are aligning the curriculum to the test. This should have been started years ago when it was known that the OGT was taking the place of the Ninth Grade Proficiency. It should have been completed three years ago when the students started taking the test. She should be saying, "we aligned the curriculum to the test and the students couldn

Everybody who receives a high school diploma should be proficient in Latin, Greek, nuclear physics, molecular biology, and hockey. Everyone else should be taken out into the playground and shot. That should make the Nazis on the school board happy.

that the foreign language be offered in your school. Scott offers one foreign language and that is Spanish, so I guess all of the Scott students would be shot.

Even if the policy was not updated I believe the first line of the current policy pretty much covers it:

In order to participate in any graduation exercises, a student must successfully complete all graduation requirements...

Since passing the OGT is mandatory to graduate, I believe it fits the definition of all graduation requirements regardless of whether the TPS changed the wording of their policy or not.

What bothers me is how a 4.0 student can fail the test? What is being taught in High School where a student recieves straight A's but cannot pass the OGT or spell the word proficiency correctly on their protest signs? The misuse of the word "to" being replaced with the number 2 and (if I am viewing the signs correctly) spelling of the word "class" as "closs" leads me to believe that the OGT correctly identifies those unqualified to graduate.

If man has no tea in him, he is incapable of understanding truth. ~Japanese Proverb

you wrote:

where a student recieves straight A's but cannot pass the OGT or spell the word proficiency.

I say:

How do you spell "receives." Did you perhaps go to the same school?

I was making a spoof of your name in relation to the students using a 2 instead of the word "to."

I guess it went over your head. Sorry!

OGT

In my opinion the OGT is a two edge sword (I hate cliches). It is the instrument that is used to measure educational progress. Something that people would agree is a worthwhile endeavor.

Unfortunately it also tends to hold many poor students down. Many of the kids failing the test are from poor households (financially and socially), and this failure is nothing more than another kick in the head. The bright side of the picture is that if the OGT follows the trends of the old 9th grade test then most of the seniors will pass the test in the summer.

As for walking at graduation, it's a moot point. The public needs to focus on getting these kids to pass the OGT and getting a diploma. Isn't that what's important?

Oh and I had a conversation with a guy I played football with in college. He works at Cleveland East Tech HS. He questioned me about our former super Sanders. He made it seem that many in Cleveland did not trust him. I'm sure there will be interesting developments (like lost money).

Oh Oh, I know why it's unconstitutional. But it has nothing to do with this nonsense.

The wording of the policy is similar to the OGT;

"This policy states"In order to participate in any graduation exercises, a student must successfully complete all graduation requirements, i.e., earn 21 units as detailed in policy IKF; pass all parts of the Ohio Ninth Grade Proficiency Test; pay all school-related fines; and be in good standing with the office of pupil personnel. The high school principal of the school a student is attending shall determine the student's standing regarding successful completion of all graduation requirements."

"Resources for Ohio Graduation Tests

Beginning with the high school graduating class of 2007, students must pass all five parts of the Ohio Graduation Tests (OGT) in order to receive high school diplomas. (See Alternative Conditions for Eligibility for a Diploma.) The OGT replaces the Ohio Ninth-Grade Proficiency Tests, which were tests aligned to learning outcomes."

http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates/Pages/ODE/ODEDetail.aspx?page=3&...

"It would seem to me that in order to graduate according to the TPS board policy all students would have to pass the Ninth Grade proficiency Test which was not given to any students as now the students have to take the OGT."

I am confused by this. My youngest took the proficiency tests and she graduated in 2006.

http://toledoohioneighborhoodconcerns.com/blog

"A failure of the Board to keep their policies current when state law is clear is not an excuse to allow some children to gain the benefits of graduation without accomplishing the requirements."

Amen. And come on, they had three YEARS to make it right. Those who didn't pass don't deserve to graduate.

for bringing the typo to my attention. I will admit when I make a mistake. I fat fingered the keyboard but that is no excuse for an obvious error. I should have proofed my writing before I posted.

But you also addressed my moniker incorrectly. The correct spelling of my username is KraZyKat (not Crazy Cat) and is a spoof from the old cartoon character of the same name. It is not a formal appellation so the spelling of it is not relevant.

In any case, my mistake in no way excuses the grammatical errors exhibited by these young individuals. If they are going to protest against their perceived lack of knowledge, then they should be able to do so in a fashion which proves the case against them false. The verbaige they decided to use in their protest signs only reinforces the need for them to be able to pass the OGT.

By the way, I did indeed attend Toledo Public Schools.

If man has no tea in him, he is incapable of understanding truth. ~Japanese Proverb

I've heard this sentiment on here ever since this was brought to light. "How could a 4.0 fail the test?!?"

And you latch on to it as evidence that either the schools, or the test is flawed. But you forget about all the students with 4.0, 3.0, 2.0, hell, 1.5, 1.0, whatever, that PASSED THE TEST.

If a 4.0 student failed a test that many HUNDREDS, even THOUSANDS of other average students, why do you immediately try to blame the school and/or the test?

Here's a thought: BLAME THE STUDENT.

Dear KraZyKat,

The young lady that claimed to have a 4.0 (how shall we say) was inflating her score. Her overall GPA is a 2.4 (if I remember correctly). If you're wondering how I know this, it's because I work in TPS.

Rule No. 1 about education: Kids lie.
Rule No. 2: So do adults.

I believe you missed my point Shane. I am not saying the test is flawed and I totally agree there is some blame to be placed on the student. But I also believe that the school systems share the blame in somehow failing these students by providing them with GPA's which they may not have been entitled to receive.

It would be interesting to see if the 4.0 student were to have applied themself in the same exact manner at a school proven to have a higher level of academic performance whether an "A" grade would have been issued. It appears that the grading curve at some of the schools where academics are in a state of emergency benefits students who could not achieve a 4.0 otherwise.

This is a disservice to the students by providing that student with a false sense of accomplishment.

If man has no tea in him, he is incapable of understanding truth. ~Japanese Proverb

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