Does Toledo have a curfew problem?

I keep reading over and over of kids up at 1-2-3 in the morning around town. In my neighborhood it is common to hear kids up walking the street at night after midnight. Does Toledo have a curfew problem? What can we do about it? Is anyone listening? Frustrated in Toledo.....

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Call the cops. If they don't come, call them again. Keep calling, night after night. Enlist your neighbors in the effort. The word "gun" always gets an immediate response.

I think there is a curfew for kids - not sure exactly the times/ages. Actually - I think there are two different curfews,depending on the age of the kid. Call the cops. I understand the frustration. On one hand, where are the parents? On the other hand, as a parent, I know sometimes, it's damned hard to know every minute where your kid is - they spend the night at a friends & you think they're in at night; or they sneak out when you're sleeping. A few years ago several cars on our street got the windows smashed out. Random destruction for kicks - they chose cars at random, smashed my car windows & my neighbors, & the car across the street but didn't touch my husband's car. Nobody heard anything, middle of the night. Nothing was stolen I don't think, a neighbor found his briefcase in the street though. (I don't keep anything in my car for this reason.) Just kids being punks.

Why next they'll be smoking the reefer and murdering the poor elderly couple at the end of the block to get money for their next fix! Don't let anyone tell you that walking isn't a gateway drug.

The curfew problem in Toledo is that there is a curfew. The vast majority of crime committed after dark in Toledo is perpetrated by adults. Shouldn't we have a curfew for them, too? Of course not, we wouldn't think of restricting our personal liberties like that. But it's fine to give up our kids' rights.

When I grew up, we didn't have a curfew, yet somehow managed to get by. It's really quite easy to survive in a curfew-less environment: Cops arrest those who are committing actual crimes instead of stopping teenagers for being out too late. A strange concept, I know, but it worked for us.

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"When I say your dumb name, please stand up briefly, but then quickly drop to your knees and forsake all others before me." -Ignignokt

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so I'd say there's a very serious curfew problem. IF the curfew had been appropriately enforced and Jobe was too scared to have been out that night - Det. Dressel would have been eating dinner with his family last night.

So yeah - what Pete says is right. You call them and keep mentioning Det. Dressel and that they need to start enforcing the curfew, or state that their policy is that they choose not to enforce the curfew - so we can start looking at hiring private security to keep the peace.

Vader - you have the opportunity to use foresight and realize there is a problem building. The police are tasked with 'keeping the peace'. They don't like to talk about that in Toledo, but it's their job. Tell them to do it or admit that they refuse to do it and there is not third option.

And shane you're just proving to be a jerk at this point.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

We had problems with some younger guys in our neighborhood sitting in their drive-way and playing loud rap music every single day at all hours of the night. Me and my neighbors called the cops over 100 times in a six month period....the kids just turned it right back up after the police left.

After realizing the cops really didn't have any pull in this situation...me...my father-in-law and two friends went over to them and basically scared the hell out of them by threatening their lives.

No music since. We solved the problem in five minutes that the police couldn't solve in six months. Some punks need to be dealt with like the punks they are.

There's only one way to enforce the curfew. I say we put up camera's that take pictures of juveniles after midnight. Then we send the picture and a fine to the parents. We'll send 70% of the collected fine to the company that put up the camera and we'll take the other 30% and waste it on failed government programs.

When the public complains we'll threaten to decrease the number of patroling police. When budget time comes we'll keep the police union happy by greasing their end of the deal and instead of wisely spending $$ we'll institute rates on services that are already rendered under the current budget and are already taxed upon the populace.

If it sounds like a good idea to you then pat yourself on the back because that's what the people you voted for on city council have done.

MikeyA

MikeyA

The word "gun" always gets an immediate response.

I have to disagree with you on that one, at least in one instance. I was at a friends house once when we heard gun shots right out front and the cops NEVER showed up.

When I was a kid, there wasn't a curfew & we were just supposed to be home when the street lights came on - and WERE or we'd catch hell. It's a different world now though. My youngest kid is 24 & while they had curfews, they also broke them without incident, didn't cause problems - they weren't out destroying property, smashing windows, dealing dope, being loud, etc. They rarely were out past 1 am & then it was just to walk to a friends to spend the night or something. When they were out later - they'd snuck out of the house after we went to sleep. (I learned a lot they did after they got out of high school - can I still ground them?) I do think the existing curfew is too early on all ages. There's a presumption that if a kid is out at night they're looking to make trouble & that doesnt speak to most kids. However, there's enough kids out there who ARE making serious trouble who are spoiling it for the rest. I do think the police have better things to do - but if they see them out, tell them to get the hell home or deliver them home if they're repeat offenders maybe - knock on the door & hand them over to their parents - as long as the cop doesnt have more serious things to be doing with his time. This is a parenting issue more than a cop issue - the brats that busted my car windows (and a lot of neighbor's car windows) probably were getting away with shit their whole lives with their parents - I think it takes a certain disqusting mentality for a kid to even want to do something like that & I blame the parents for that mentality.

I don't know, pete, isn't that "social engineering?" ::snicker::

This kid was carrying a firearm, involved in a drug deal, and he shot a cop.

Do you think any amount of curfew enforcement would have "scared" him from being outside after 11:00 (or whatever it is..)?

Seriously?

This thinking reminds me of the argument the pro-gun people use: The only kids that follow the curfew are the ones that you wouldn't mind walking around after dark. The "bad" kids are already out there stealing and vandalizing and they're not going to be deterred by a curfew law.

I'm pro curfew but anti curfew-enforcement. By having the curfew law it gives offices, like Det. Dressel et al, to question, search and, if necessary, detain suspicious teenagers. But as for actively policing it? No thanks...

And fwiw, the curfew laws were passed when I was still a teenager. None of my friends in my white middle class neighborhood followed it and no police ever harassed us. So it seems that they might just agree with me on the "use it for reasonable suspicion" thing...

Citizens want the kids off the streets after dark. That's fine, but I don't think we should spend the amount of resources on it that your crackdown suggestion would involve.

They play loud music, you threaten to kill them. Sounds reasonable.

Just out of curiosity, what would have happened if one of those punks had a gun? Shooting a trespasser who came onto your property and threatened you with harm could easily be viewed by a jury as self defense.

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"When I say your dumb name, please stand up briefly, but then quickly drop to your knees and forsake all others before me." -Ignignokt

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