Why do you think people don't make their government work for them?

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They don't understand the structure and thereby their rights b/c it wasn't taught in public school
3% (1 vote)
They don't understand the structure and thereby their rights b/c it wasn't taught WELL in public school
10% (3 votes)
People buy into the 'it is too complicated for a comman person to understand' doctrine'
23% (7 votes)
People are afraid to challenge the system
17% (5 votes)
People haven't read the US or their State Constitution or bills of their rights
3% (1 vote)
People don't care
43% (13 votes)
Total votes: 30
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You know, you have a chip on your shoulder about TPS because your children weren't able to succeed there.

You insist that it had nothing to do with the children themselves, and while I'm not arguing with that, I do think it's interesting that loads and loads of successful people have graduated from TPS high schools with high marks and excellent educations. While my parents moved to Oregon after my 8th grade year, my step-sister, others in my family, and many friends have done well in Woodward, Waite, Bowsher, Rogers, and Libby (I don't recall knowing anyone from Scott or Start).

High school students and their parents need to take responsibility for their education. You cannot expect them to be canvasses, just sitting by passively, letting the teachers and schools just paint education upon them.

None of the above. Why? Because people look to the Govt. for leadership, which they can't provide because we are not a socialist or communist economy. In a free market society, leadership has to come from the private sector with support coming from the public sector. Until we recognize that fact, we are doomed to disappointment.

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Well said Shane. It seems there are those that preach personal responsibility, until they get to public education. Then it's "kids are stuck" in failing schools, as if that relieves the parent from truly getting involved and taking some responsibility.

Chris
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issues with the public schools have taken action for their own kids and are involved in trying to make the system work better.

How is this having a chip and not taking responsibility?

What are YOU folks doing to make our city, county and educational governmental processes better?

Other than criticizing those who are?

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

"is based entirely on the horror stories you've heard and the negative experiences of your own kids" that's true shane.

"These are good experiences, and they're no less an indication of TPS than the bad things you've experienced with yoru own kids." also true.

I've been attending the meetings and been observing TPS for over a year now. Much of the behavior is not uncommon for school boards. However, the degree that it is taken to and the intimidation and control that one board member has over the whole process is a frightening thing to observe.

It's like the difference between a really active child and one with ADD. ADD is made up of normal behaviors - only in such extremes that it makes a totally dysfunctional situation.

That's what we have with the board. Larry Sykes commandeers meetings, he bullies and he even bullies people in the audience. It happens consistently - if he only lost it a few times, or at times of stress - that would just be his personality.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Kate,

I didn't say you're not taking responsibility. And I'm not suggesting you're not an activist.

But it does seem to me that your impression of the way the 30k+ student district operates is based entirely on the horror stories you've heard and the negative experiences of your own kids.

I'm certain that there's plenty of horror stories involving suburban districts and/or private schools, too. Horror stories happen. No place is perfect. But saying "TPS is broken because of this incident" or even "TPS is broken because of these 200 incidents" is just silly to me.

My step sister, for example, graduated from Woodward with a 4.2 GPA and got accepted to an Ivy League school (Penn). She couldn't go to the Ivy because of other reasons, but she also got offered full-rides at a number of schools, including OSU where she ended-up going.

My step brother graduated from Woodward with a 3.5 GPA and is currently doing well in the engineering program at UT.

These are good experiences, and they're no less an indication of TPS than the bad things you've experienced with yoru own kids.