Who is right -- the Toledo Free Press or Judge Ray?

....Arguing that young Jobe

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Judge Ray is right. Nuff said.

I think people feel very passionate about this case. I know it horrified me and the implications go into all kinds of areas - but for a Judge to say it's an insult to the judiciate to have public input is ridiculous.

Who the hell does he think he works for?!

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Judge Ray!



A Judge Shall Perform the Duties of Judicial Office Impartially and Diligently

(2) A judge shall be faithful to the law and maintain professional competence in it. A judge shall not be swayed by partisan interests, public clamor, or fear of criticism.


We don't remember days only moments...

Asking if Michael Miller is right in stating his OPINION???

How can you be wrong with an opinion? The judge is an idiot.

At least the FP put Michael's thoughts clearly marked on the Opinion page - the Blade puts them on the front page as news articles.

Wrong thread. Never mind :-)

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Judge Ray is completely right in my opinion. Miller's editorial is irresponsible.


Um, call me crazy...but isn't "freedom of expression" a right in this country?

Michael Miller was expressing his OPINION in his editorial.

Judge Ray can express his opinion that it was irresponsible, just as Miller can express his opinion. In this country, we're allowed to express our opinions, regardless of whether others agree with it or not.

on the job was March 30. I thought he was retiring to spend time with his family.

The Mission Statement of the Juvenile Division states that one of its missions is to "ensure public safety." It seems to me that this is being done after the fact.

The juvenile justice system is a total failure and has been directed by Mr. Ray for thirty years. He was running a one man show.

IMO (read, opinion) had Mr. Ray truly believed in the Mission of the Juvemnile Division, the children in chaos in Toledo, would not be. Mr. Ray is very respected in his circle but I totally agree with Billy.

response to Miller was appropriate given his duties as an official of the court. I enjoy the Free Press but was disappointed by Mr. Miller's lack of common sense when suggesting the readership of the Free Press should interject themselves in the judicial proceedings in this case.


...again. It says that judges shouldn't be swayed by public clamor - which implies that there will be public clamor at some point in a judge's service on the bench.

Mike Miller can express his opinion and he can encourage others to express their opinions.

And Judge Ray can explain that, while he appreciates the time people took to share their opinion, he will only consider the facts of the case when making a decision - and will abide by the canons and not be swayed by the 'public clamor.'

This could have been handled much better on all sides...

I agree with your statement that he (Miller) may encourage others to express their opinions. However, in the April 15th 2007 edition of the Free Press, Mr. Miller, in his opinion column says, "At no point did Ray try to restrict my right to future comment, by which I mean your right to comment, because I was speaking for hundreds of us." No. Mr Miller speaks for himself when he expresses his opinion. I would hate to think that as a reader of the Free Press he believes his opinion is necessarily one I share with him. I can speak for myself thank you.


I should have clarified my statement. Miller's opinion that Jobe should be tried as an adult is fine. But the irresponsible part (imo) is requesting that we all give the judge a call. To what end? As someone has pointed out, the judge shall not be swayed by public clamor.


I don't have a problem with Michael Miller expressing his opinion, nor am I going to weigh in on the should he have urged people to call Judge Ray or not.

However, how I see the Canon is that no matter how large of a community response, or "public clamor" a Judge is not supposed to be biased by that. Which basically means someone can suggest as Michael Miller did to call/email but a Judge wouldn't respond to that as an influence anyway so all people were doing is perhaps making themselves feel better because if a Judge was swayed by such an action? They would be in violation of the Canons...

Equally, I'm not sure if the Judge should have made a response on the editiorial from the bench, but I have yet to see all of what he stated, I've only read the one small quote in the Blade.

We don't remember days only moments...

...and I agree. But I think he was referencing the people who'd called or emailed the paper - not everyone in the community.

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