New developments: 2 city officials accuse mayor of discrimination

The plot thickens...and no, you can't fire someone for just being "lazy" (in and by itself)...

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070309/NEWS16/703090...

No votes yet

Official in Toledo to mop after all the results Carty is getting?

http://toledoohioneighborhoodconcerns.com/blog

Why the hell not??

Which asks that it be circulated -so I think it is ok to post the information here:

PRESS CONFERENCE

This is to inform you that there will be a press Conference at the Government Center, Downtown Toledo.

DATE: Friday 9, 2007

TIME: 1:00 P.M.

PLACE: No. 1 Government Center

RE: The Mayor's Unilateral Decision to Merge the Affirmative Action Office and the Department of Human Resources

Contact person: Kim Fields: 419 514-5471

We understand how valuable your time is. However, the issue at stake is equally important in maintaining good governance in city government. As a result, we ask that each of you makes an effort to attend this press conference.

We also ask that you forward this email to others who feel the same way you do. They too need to attend this press conference. Please bring a friend or two.

Thank you!!!

Dr. Francis I. Dumbuya, Ph.D.
President and CEO
Personal Achievement and Professional Development Institute

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

find out laying off political appointees is nothing like firing someone in the private sector. City workers have layers of protection once they are in the honey pot of government employment. Getting them unstuck from their positions is going to be very hard to do.

bill

Here is the statement from the conference today.

Carty turns his back on civil rights

In 1989, the city of Toledo entered into a conciliation agreement with the Ohio Civil Rights Commission. The impetus of that agreement was the finding by the Commission that the city of Toledo was twenty-five or so years behind in advancing the civil rights of its citizens. Most of us would recall this period in the history of Toledo when the Commission had to launch a four-year investigation of our city leaders

a job left in the administration would file discrimination charges against his boss?

And I have had a few jobs that the boss made it clear that while we're on company time we are not to have contact with a former employee- especially as situations were unfolding, so as to maintain company confidentiality. Is that illegal? I can't see why it would be. Now, if Carty told Dwayne that if he sees him walking down the street on Saturday chatting on his cell to Perlean he'd be fired, that's different.

The other guy- I'm thinking if you're lazy you're gone, but the employer better have a good accounting in the HR file of the laziness being referred to. It just is insurance over frivilous lawsuits down the road. I would hope Carty has that CYA or he is more foolish than I thought.

My goodness, between the bridge fines and these lawsuits I can't imagine how many more taxes the administration is going to have to think up to pay for all of this! Anyone want to buy a house?

can't wait to sit back and watch this saga. I might as well since I'm paying for it.

Is that allegedly a person was part of a complaint from an employee and that person now has been "promoted."

There is something wrong with this.

http://toledoohioneighborhoodconcerns.com/blog

Who believes Perlean anyways? She initially claimed she was fired because of a Reinbolt-Godson relationship thingy-ma-jig, which that claimed to be false. Now it is because she is black. Ahhhh yes, the he-fired-me-because-i'm-black scenario. I hope that the ones who claim and those who side with the idea that this mess was due to the mayor being a racist end up apologizing when its' found untrue. If it is true, the mayor is done with, but it sounds like a couple of people are whiners because things did go their way.

There were more than a couple of whiners at the press conference yesterday in front of Government Center, mostly black but a smattering of white people in support of Pearlean, Afirmative Action or black people in general.

Is the mayor racist? I think so, by my definition and American Heritage Dictionary, but will it destroy his career, no.

For those who think the mayor is not a racist, you must admit that he has unhealthy relationships with black people.

apparently twice. It sounds to me like there is more than one issue on the table - all of it pointing to this Perlean not going along with things she felt were wrong. That is what I got out of the article.

And I appreciate it when people are willing to do the right thing - and face the consequences when your actions are a condemnation on people who choose not to do the right thing.

Those people usually get angry and vindictive.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

A disagreement about affirmative action does not necessarily mean someone is racist. The idea of affirmative action, itself, was supposed to retire over time. The current argument about affirmative action is between those who think it has served its purpose, and those who think it has not. There is nothing racist about this debate. Apparently, the mayor thinks that affirmative action has served its purpose in the city government and wishes to merge the department with human resources. I don't see anything inherently racist about this. I also would highly doubt anything was racist about this decision at all. This firing seems to stem from a disagreement.

If both blacks & whites are fired or laid off, and the blacks claim discrimination, that they were fired for being black - does that also mean that the white people can claim discrimination because....they are white?

I wouldn't want to list these unhealthy relationships out for you in a public venue, after all Mr. Finkibeiner is the mayor.

But if you would like I will e-mail you my list of unheathy relationships with black people that Mayor Finkbeiner has exhibited in this present term of office.

As far as how I interpreted the "gorilla" comment has no bearing on how it was meant and how it was taken. The mayor referred to Chief Bell as being strong as a gorilla or some nonsence and Chief Bell said he was not offended.

Calling a racist a racist is not a heavy charge, it is what it is.

I am not basing my comments on Perlean's situation. I am basing my comments on interactions I and other blacks, that I know well, have had with the mayor, that to me are clearly racist or if you can't wrap your mind around that word then you would have to admit that the mayor has unhealthy relationships with black people.

I supported Carty in this last election (just like Perlean)because of what he said to me, personally, what his values and morals were etc. At that time I knew that he had a few flaws but I attributed them to his not being in touch with the black population and he was willing to change and learn and "get results."

My "damn good" reason as to why I think this happened because Perlean is black is non existent because I did not say that it happened because Perlean is black. You must have me mixed up with another black person.

Your comment:

"If both blacks & whites are fired or laid off, and the blacks claim discrimination, that they were fired for being black - does that also mean that the white people can claim discrimination because....they are white?"

Discrimination is very hard to prove. But you know in your gut when it happens. Have you ever had something happent to you that you KNEW happened only because you were white? (if you are white)

Dwayne Morehead, one of the three principle figures who filed a civil rights complaint against the Mayor has been given a thirty day suspension for "Actions on or about March 7, 2007 and continuing," and applying for Family Leave to bring his diabetes and hypertention under control. March 7, 2007 happens to be the date Mr. Morehead filed his complaint against the mayor with the Ohio Civil Rights Commission.

It appears Czarty does not believe his actions will be punished. The tax payers are going to have to pay the bill for Czarty's reckless disregard of the law. Us tax payers need to find out what we can do to keep Czarty from digging this hole any deeper.

" (a) The Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993 (FMLA or Act) allows
``eligible'' employees of a covered employer to take job-protected,
unpaid leave, or to substitute appropriate paid leave if the employee
has earned or accrued it, for up to a total of 12 workweeks in any 12
months because of the birth of a child and to care for the newborn
child, because of the placement of a child with the employee for
adoption or foster care, because the employee is needed to care for a
family member (child, spouse, or parent) with a serious health
condition, or because the employee's own serious health condition makes
the employee unable to perform the functions of his or her job (see
Sec. 825.306(b)(4)). In certain cases, this leave may be taken on an
intermittent basis rather than all at once, or the employee may work a
part-time schedule."

http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/ESA/Title_29/Part_825/29CFR825.100.htm

http://toledoohioneighborhoodconcerns.com/blog

I don't know if its true, but i heard this morning that Czarlton is tearing up hundreds of parking tickets in the part of town near Nebraska and City Park trying to gain favor with the African American Community in order to soften the blow of the Ohio Civil Rights Commission's investigation of the Griffin, Daugherty, Morehead complaints. I'm going to look into this myself to see if Czarlton is trying to create an opportunity for himself to be a hero. I understand there is a big City of Toledo sponsored event at that location when the tickets are being issued.. My question is why are they issuing parking tickets in the first place.

And Billy's right - you can layoff or fire someone for being lazy, especially if their position is one that's considered "serving under the pleasure of" rather than a civil service position or a union one.

At-will employees may be terminated for any reason, as long as it's legal which would mean even if he was terminated? He could be terminated for being lazy since that would be a statement directed towards his ability or inability to perform the job.

We don't remember days only moments...

... since it would be one of the few times Carty did something that resembled REAL WORK.

The only reason there is only one employee for AA right now is because Mrs. Griffin did not want to work under the head of HR. Secondly, purchasing was not a part of AA until Jack Ford made it so, according to this:
Under previous Mayor Jack Ford

We don't remember days only moments...

No, I didn't know the mayor had unhealthy relationships with black people. Do you care to list these out for me? Is it the way you interpreted his gorilla comment regarding Mike Bell? Please. Why didn't Perlean first state that he fired her for being black? No, she first had to lie about some godson-Reinbolt relationship that turned out to be untrue, then she moved onto the race card. What did the mayor do this time around to earn him the title of a racist? Be specific, because thats a heavy charge for it to be thrown out because someone didn't get their way. And if the mayor is a racist, how could Perlean not have detected that when she was supporting him not too long ago?

Give me a damn good reason as to why you think this happened because Perlean is black. Why can't it be that they just have a disagreement about how the AA will be run, why is it because she is black?

No offense, but I don't think Carty is in touch with any part of the population. He's offended just about everybody in town at one time or another. Remember the deaf people?

Carty calls all African American males lazy and can't take care of their families. And please, don't let the African American male be innovative. Carty can't tolerate that because that destroys his core belief that you have to work until you pass out even if nothing is accomplished.

You ever think Carty needed to get this guy out of the way, and there were no technical or professional reasons to do so. If we are going to talk about laziness, lets look at this concept; if doing less work to get the desired results is laziness, then the those who built the Panama Canal should have dug it out with tablespoons instead of steam shovels and explosives.

Maybe this Daugherty guy wasn't going to go along with the upcoming drama. Stay tuned and pay close attention how your tax dollars are being handled.

I don't know if its true, but I heard this morning that Czarlton is tearing up hundreds of parking tickets in the part of town near Nebraska and City Park trying to gain favor with the African American Community in order to soften the blow of the Ohio Civil Rights Commission's investigation of the Griffin, Daugherty, Morehead complaints. I'm going to look into this myself to see if Czarlton is trying to create an opportunity for himself to be a hero. I understand there is a big City of Toledo sponsored event at that location when the tickets are being issued.. My question is why are they issuing parking tickets in the first place.

"Mr. Daugherty, who filed his charge with the commission Wednesday, was one of the 23 employees who received 30-day layoff notices last Friday. He said Mr. Finkbeiner told him he was being laid off because he was perceived as lazy."

Of course for now it is; he said, he said.

We may never know of his performance reviews any or any disciplinary action and so on and so forth.

But perception is a bit vague...unless we know what it is compared to what.

And;

"Mr. Morehead said in his discrimination charge, which was filed Tuesday and released by the civil rights commission yesterday, that Mr. Finkbeiner told him March 2 and on Monday that he would be fired if he contacted Mrs. Griffin."

http://toledoohioneighborhoodconcerns.com/blog

I don't even know if the Mayor even said he was lazy, all I do know is that Daugherty can be laid off, and could be terminated from a legal aspect. People don't seem to understand unless you are either a civil servant or in a union or have some type of a written contract Ohio is an "at will" employment state and you can be terminated for just about any reason as long as it's legal, and if someone isn't performing their job, that would be grounds for termination.

Though it's basically a moot point since he wasn't fired as the original post states.

We don't remember days only moments...

It could be that people get confused about "at will" employment due to unemployment insurance. Employers who get rid of people willy-nilly or frequently have to pay higher UI premiums since they are in reality "unemployers". Of course, companies tend to notice their UI premiums and tend to either (1) justify their firings or (2) falsify their firings. The falsified firings lead to a fight over receiving unemployment benefits ... and it seems to me that these fights give people the wrong idea about "at will" employment, leading to pointless filings of "unlawful termination" suits.

In short, you DON'T have a right to a job in Ohio, but if your employer does get rid of you for no rational reason, you DO have a right to unemployment compensation.

At any rate, if you're laid off, that means "at no fault of your own", therefore you should get your unemployment benefits. Use them wisely, folks! They only go for 6 months and only pay for about 50% of what you earned before. Think of unemployment benefits as a financial "diet" while you lose weight (i.e. expenses) and look for food elsewhere.

"People don't seem to understand unless you are either a civil servant or in a union or have some type of a written contract Ohio is an "at will" employment state and you can be terminated for just about any reason as long as it's legal, and if someone isn't performing their job, that would be grounds for termination."

"as long as it is legal" and what defines what is legal and what is not?

"...if someone isn't performing their job, that would be grounds for termination."

My ex-wife was terminated from a job in Massachusetts and the reason stated was that she failed to count inventory correctly after she and a co-worker complained about sexual abuse in the workplace and there was a judgment for both employees as they both approached the employer and by both them approaching the employer the activity was deemed to be a protected and concerted action and they still lost their jobs.

So just because a person is at-will does not absolve employers from claims and damages.

But there is much we do not know about the cases involved.

http://toledoohioneighborhoodconcerns.com/blog

If you look at the records, Mr. Daugherty's position was Civil Service.

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.