Should the City of Toledo have an ambulance service?

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Yes
24% (11 votes)
No
69% (31 votes)
I don't know
7% (3 votes)
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This is nothing more than an attempt by the fire union to justify the minimum staffing levels that are overly inflated as it is. If we currently have enough firefighters for fire suppression and to provide staffing for 5 ambulances, then we have too many firefighters. If you can do two jobs with the same number of people, then the number of people now is too high.

I also have a problem with the way the fire department handles emergency situations. Currently the way it stands is that TFD responds to every 911 call for help. Once they arrive, if their EMTs feel there needs to be an ambulance then they'll call one in. Why don't they just send the ambulance in first? It's a waste of money to send the firefighters first. And more importantly it's a waste of time....time that could be spent getting someone to the hospital. Instead of waiting 10 minutes for the fire truck to get to the scene and then another 10 minutes for the ambulance to get to the scene, why don't we save the costs and time of sending the fire truck? I'm sure there have been lives lost because of this policy somewhere along the way.

It's interesting to note that the truck downtown is the busiest engine company in the country. It's probably because they respong to every medical 911 call in their vicinity. This is why we're currently being charged a fee to have multiple fire trucks at a minor car accident. I can't imagine many cities having the same policy because it's a pretty dumb policy.

As a home owner and tax payer, in this city and they try to hit me with a big fee for my having USED the service I support? I wouldn't pay it - I'd let them prosecute and turn the city over to my Prepaid Legal service.

I think I have like 1200 hours a year in benefits now. Maquire and Schneiders' hourly is like 425.00? So doing the math on that one - if it is worth the City of Toledo expending $510,000.00 (yearly) to try to sue me for an emergency service fee - let them go on and try.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

I've said this many times. I use the "yellow pages test" when asking whether government should be involved in a "business enterprise". If you can find it in the yellow pages, government has no business getting into this business. Government by its nature and structure is not very effective at delivering goods and services at a reasonable cost and in an efficient manner. HeyHey makes several good points - the truth is the city must address structural issues and "stealing" jobs from the private sector just to justify staffing levels is not what government should be doing.

I simply can not believe the city can deliver these services more effectively and efficiently than what currently exists. The current set up is for the fire department to be first responders to an emergency situation. If they are transporting someone as an ambulance service, what does that do to the first responder concept and what other implications does this "time out of service" create?

First, often times when parties lose cases they bring, they have to pay the defendants' legal expenses. Not a concept that I authored.

My comment was that under my policy I have dang near unlimited legal representation for defense of actions brought against me. And that representation has a street value of about 425.00 an hour. If the city wants to bring an action against me, for such a predatory issue as charging large user fees to a taxpayer who is part of the ownership of the system as is the case in this - it'll cost them.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

"I simply can not believe the city can deliver these services more effectively and efficiently than what currently exists."

I've asked it before and I'll ask it now, when did anyone ever see the government be involved in something and the quality goes UP and the cost goes DOWN.....

Hmmm???

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Or hire a lawyer to fight it and lose, and then pay the fine and your lawyer costs?

Also, I looked up your firm, they do not charge anywhere near the rate that you claim.

that I was given. Where, junta - did you get yours? Very curious if there is such a discrepancy - where your information came from.

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If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

The firm is closed today, officially but I was able to get someone who explained the fees to me. Very unlikely you were given the information junta.

Like physicians, this being a very law firm with multiple offices in multiple states and the lawyers each having their own area of specialty and seniority - they all bill at different rates.

Some of the seniors command very large hourly rates, some clients, such as Prepaid legal are on a retainer.

I think the original point here was that Prepaid Legal can afford to keep the biggest law firm in Ohio on retainer fulltime for the little guys. That if we are bothered or prosecuted we have the best legal representation that can be had.

And I think for some reason that bothers you - I don't know why? Maybe I'm wrong - but my antenna goes up at the idea of who would be bothered by the average Joe/Joesphine having legal protection?

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

forgot to add. Junta says I'm a liar because no one charges those fees in Toledo. Also that he has called and verified.

This is bothersome only because the law firm is in Columbus.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Why would the city have to pay your lawyers? I'm lost. They have their own, and the pay them a lot less than 425 an hour. The real question, is it worth your company to pay that much in legal fees over your mere fire service fee. I bet they'd settle on the first day.

Good luck with that. You're going to need it.

Maybe thats what more Toledo taxpayers should do when confronted with bills from the city for EMS services because I agree with you, we already pay taxes for this stuff we shouldn't get a bill for dialing 911.

Additionally, nobody in Toledo charges $425.oo an hour. You're a terrible liar.

What, not pay the bill, and when sued, not show up for court and get a default judgment against you?

Additionally Ohiokat, EMS is private, you should have to pay if called. Your tax dollars aren't currently supporting that.

EMS is official designation for the Lucas County Emergency Medical Services. It is funded with your tax dollars through levies. The County provides the units and training for public employees (firefighters/EMTs/Paramedics) to staff the units.

Further, the County contracts with private ambulance services to provide both basic (BLS) and, when an EMS unit is not available, advanced life support (ALS) runs.

The "EMS" designation is so important that the private ambulance companies cannot put "EMS" on their units because of the confusion it presents.

If a LC-EMS unit transports you, you're not billed. If a private company transports you, the amount they can bill you is limited by their contract with the County.

thanks for the info, maggie.