Nancy Pelosi comes out solidly on the the Presidents' side

I was sitting through the State of the Union address tonight.

I was so happy to see Nancy Pelosi giving the President the lead for one after another standing ovation.

This is a great sign for healing, for our leadership to work together. I taped this - and I am so glad that I did. Nancy P. has crossed all boundaries and any aisle - in her support for the President.

I am so happy to see her solid support of the President.

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Standing and giving applause does not necessarily mean support. I do, however, hope that both parties can work together. I found the president's speech relative liberal for him. Regardless, your choice of words that "Nancy Pelosi comes out solidly on the president's side" is ignorant at best.

Standing and giving applause does indeed mean support. Any small child can tell you this.

You need to review your standards.

They are lacking. And obviously ignorant.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Bring it. I'd like to dialogue with you. How we should fail to support a populace of people who have suffered from a dictator. People who came out of their homes, under gunfire to VOTE.

Where mass graves are still being uncovered today. Nightmare scenes like those we observed in Nazi Germany. I'd like to hear the argument why we should abandon these people before they are able to stand on their own feet and fight off the people who would destroy them.

You tell me why a child in Iraq is worth less than a child born in America.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

First off, you've misjudged me. I agree that it is senseless to leave Iraq at this point. However, your post was ignorant in that Nancy Pelosi does not believe that. Indeed, I support a troop increase to regain control, but I don't think the president has increased the troop levels enough to get the job done. While I was initially against the war because it was based on a lie, now that we're there, I'd like to succeed, and 20,000 troops is not enough to do that. Regardless, your post was ignorant. Nancy Pelosi does not support the President.

In case you would like to view it. It is plain to see that Ms. Pelosi stood in solidarity with the President. She actaully took to her feet and lead our Congress in a standing ovation in support of the Presidents' statement.

Argue that if you like - but it is a documented event. In spite of outlooks like yours, it appears that our government may indeed be working together.

Sorry if that doesn't fit into your agenda. I like it quite well. The difference between an Iraqi woman and myself - is merely a circumstance of birth. The difference between America and other countries is that she has shown herself willing to stand for those who are in need. Time and time again.

I'm good with that. Sorry if you aren't.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

You are ignorant because you haven't read anything of what Nancy has said about the war. I'm not saying she's not willing to work with the President, but it is extraordinarily ignorant to say that she supports the President because she stood up and applauded. This is why they don't let five year olds vote.

Also I watched it. And I have DVR too.

You are assuming that I haven't read Ms. Pelosi's position(s). That would make you uninformed (and as a Womens' Rights Advocate - I'd say you aren't up to speed should you wish to attempt to paint me with that brush).

As I - and many of my peers have - have commended her on her position and many of her accomplishments.

I suggest you try to view the footage of tonight's activities. I don't wish to embarrass you further.

You are obviously uninformed. Until such a time as you are able to be informed - I suggest you discontinue your discourse.

I mean no disrespect - but there is a durable record of tonights' events. Obviously people have changed their positions. It is a good thing. And I understand that you may not be ok with our government reaching a point of mutual understanding - there are many who have built a psychological dependency on the discord.

You'll get over it with time...

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Really...it's just so juvenile - let's let that go. Shall we?

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

I'll start with the name calling. If you don't wish to be called ignorant, don't say anything ignorant. If you don't wish to be compared to a small child, then don't say, "any small child can tell you this." You can be a muckraker, but be sure you can rake the muck at the end of the day.

Secondly, this is not a women's issue. I wasn't going to go there, but for some reason you think I will. I think it's great that Nancy is the first woman speaker.

Thirdly, just because she applauded from time to time on tape tonight does not take away from her statements. I cannot even fathom the nonsense coming out of your mouth (or keyboard in this case). I can now see why Larry Sykes acts in the manner he does towards you. Suddenly, it's all coming together.

Because it's bedtime. Everything is ok....nobody is mad at you. Try to find somebody to talk to - and goodnight.

I surely didn't mean to tip you over the edge....everything is ok....just think really good thoughts.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

I'm sure Pelosi was 100% behing some of the comments the President made, for example: "We need to become energy dependent!" or "We need more Americans covered under healthcare!"

But when it comes to the war in Iraq or how to implement much of Bush's healthcare plan she won't support those. I don't think there's anything President Bush could do to appease her on Iraq, and when it comes to healthcare I don't think she'll be satisfied until we have a Canadian style single-payer healthcare system.

The State of the Union address is full of generalities and "warm and fuzzies" between the two sides. But, as the cliche goes, the devil is in the details, and it's the details that Nancy Pelosi largely will not support.

Thank you for not being ignorant HeyHey, and actually taking the time to understand what I am saying. Goodnight all.

Dang Skippy things are coming together.... you and Larry have fun.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Actually, I'm not a Sykes supporter, but now I can understand his approach towards you.

This is not my comment, I heard it on Fox News by Bob Betchel:

The Republicans stood and clapped Bill Clinton on the back at every State of the Union, and then they impeached him. 'Nuff said.

Knowing Ms. Pelosi's positions, and her passion - I do not believe her to have been disingenuous tonight. Your comments appear to indicate you believe her to have been so.

I prefer to remain hopeful that she will keep her word for honest and forthright dealings with the Whitehouse. You call me ignorant (quite repeatedly) for this.

You may be right. I hope you are wrong. Do you feel any better for having denigrated me on such a personal level?

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Yes, I feel great. Thank you. Way to try to get sympathy for saying something so ignorant. I'm glad you realize now that I was not attacking you, but your point, and then realized that you are probably wrong.

the state of the union is just a show. madame speaker was probably applauding and considering how to embarrass the prez at the same time.

it's the dem's vs rep's. i wouldn't expect anything more than the usual from any of these folks.

LOL, this thread reminds me of some old Toledo Talk topics of discussion.

Look, during every single State of the Union address since time immemorial members of the party opposite of the President, no matter which President, stand and applaud during certain sections of the speech.

It doesn't mean a damn thing.

The State of the Union address is one of those occasions when all are on good visible behaviour, presenting a picture of goodwill and possible unity for national television cameras.

The long knives come out as soon as the President finishes talking.

The next year and a half is going to be a riot.

I prefer to go through today being happy and hopeful. Ms. Pelosi did not just respond to applause last night - many times she was the first to stand and lead the response.

She behaved like a consummate professional. She is the first woman speaker. I'm not going to apologize for commenting on what I observed and the hope it inspired. You feel good for calling names and saying that you understand why Larry Sykes has an issue with me.

You feel good in that you think I deserve that. Yup - sure does sound like some TT topics doesn't it? Someone says something that someone else doesn't agree with. Some of the TT posters then dialogue about the difference. Then you have the ones who'd just like to embarrass the person so badly that they just shut up and go away.

Bully away pal....hope you do get your rocks off. Maybe you won't be running any little old ladies down in the cross walk if you blow off some steam here.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

KATEB-My goodness woman you must be delusional or had too much to drink to think pelosi stands behind the president. This persons politics is so far to the left she refuses to make right hand turns when she drives to work-LOL.

"All evil and unhappiness in this world comes from the I-concept."

But may be. I feel optimistic. Ms. Pelosi is in a tough opportunity. My thought is that she has to decide whether or not she is willing to buck the extremes in her party and work where there is common ground with the President. Like immigration...issues like that. Many women know that you can work with an adversary on somewhat common ground and create a working situation that is mutually satisfactory and then tackle issues where the two positions are further apart.

I'm hoping that she can continue on in the professional manner she showed last night and tackle some of the positions that the last Congress was unable to get handled b/c they were such an extreme right fringe that they were unable to dialogue.

Anyway - maybe I am delusional :-) But as far as I know, this is our best hope to get some things accomplished.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Might I submit that the Speaker would stand and applaud when generalities were put forth, such as "we need to fix healthcare" and "we need to support the troops". But they would differ in how you do these things. Agreed that they are going to have to work together. But will the President be using his veto power (or signing statements)?

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bill

It is interesting reading the comments. The people responding are almost like little politicians. They line up according to their bias and "shout" negative comments toward those who do not adhere to their view point.

I had hope this site would be worth visiting. Guess not.

bill

I greatly enjoy this perception that both parties haven't been working together. It's demonstrably wrong and hardly worth pointing out. Since I'm a sucker for lost cause, however, I'll do so.

The function of federal government is to manage only TWO things:

strangely. Well said. It could be a beginning.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Can't we all agree that it's just a show... The speech is written so that he gets agreement from both sides. Who could not agree that it is the "job of government to protect people from danger".... whether it is truly the job or not is not the issue, it's the fact that it's unpatriotic to not show support for such a statement.

Again, who would not agree that America's schools need to educate children. It's the issue of cost and choice that cause a divide.

When he says, we need to balance the budget, he omits that fact that the war costs are not included in the budget.

Did you see the smirks coming off Cheney when Bush proposed fuel effiency standards be adopted by 2017. It almost appeared that he was laughing.

I also liked the shot of Condi staring at the democratic side, practically rolling her eyes, as the democrats sat while the President suggested "We are carrying out a new strategy in Iraq

I actually did as part of my notes typed while watching keep track of when she applauded, when she didn't and I apparently wasn't the only one.

My notes

Washington Post and a Cartoon that might interest you.

:-)

We don't remember days only moments...

With due respect, KateB, to say I was bullying you is a very weak attempt for you to support your position. I was not bullying you. Indeed, if you have to resort to such an excuse for your statement, clearly you realize the ignorance of your statement. Particularly after you told me to "bring it," and invited me to such a discussion, and then you asked me to back off because of my anger issues without cause. Incidentally, I am not an angry person, and indeed anybody who knows me will tell you I'm just about as calm as they come (so calm it's almost painful). Most people who know will tell you I'm extraordinarily diplomatic. But I will not let you or anybody else get away with such an ignorant statement. I apologize if you felt I was personally attacking you, but perhaps you should evaluate what you say yourself before you evaluate what I say. If you reread our above comments, I'm sure you will realize that I did not mean any animousity towards you personally. Anyway, I'm sorry if you took my comments the wrong way.

Personally after reading all of the above I think we all see what we wanted to see in that broadcast. I did take another look at it. I did see the same thing. I still feel very hopeful.

It may make no difference to Ms. Pelosi (and I hope it doesn't) what her feelings are about the President. I saw her jump to her feet about immigration, a working wage and supporting the troops. She is in the position where she can force a public dialogue on those issues. She can bring the pressure to bear rather than name calling and back biting. I think she will.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

to see for herself what is happening. :-)

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Look, during every single State of the Union address since time immemorial members of the party opposite of the President, no matter which President, stand and applaud during certain sections of the speech.

It doesn't mean a damn thing.

Then why do it? Why be insincere? Why put on a show for the public if you're not going to follow through? Is this what we expect of our elected officials - to look like they're going to support common goals and then work opposite each other as soon as the cameras are off?

I guess I just never understood this...

could the reason for her being the first have anything to do with nancy being madame speaker?

I'm not bullying you.

Wholesaler is right; it's largely ceremonial. The one thing you don't do is judge how and what politicians really feel and will act on based on their visual reactions to what the President is saying.

richbuckeye just called you either delusional or drunk; I think he's bullying you.

It's demonstrably wrong and hardly worth pointing out.

it couldn't have ended there, huh?

fish4 said :

I had hope this site would be worth visiting. Guess not.

It's not a bad visit, but don't even think about living here. Ever since the section 8 housing got started, the neighbors will drive you right up the wall.

Right, McCaskey?

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

isn't it more ceremony, gallantry, and traditon than substance? consider the honored guests. anyhow, there's civility and courtesy for one night and i would imagine the tradition of the address simply calls for it.

once it's over, though, so ends the civility and respect. it becomes business as usual (politics by party and not by principle).

Come on Maggie, Washington politics. You know how the game is played.

It won't end with me, since the Republic dies by inches each time the elite applaud each other over another Imperial proposal.

I do remember driving 55 MPH in a Chrysler LeBaron and I hated it. The years of cheap oil erased the demand for small cars. I think there is a better way that micro-compact cars and lower speed limits.

Cheney, and most Regan Republicans hate these types of proposals that place regulation on industry and hurt the stock market. It's also going to take a lot of tax money to fund the research for all of the alternative fuels.

I quoted the president to make the point that Pelosi was not applauding him. The Republicans, of course stood, showing their partisanship.

The REAL mission is to steal Iraq's oil.

If that were the case I'd be the most patriotic, staunchest supporter of the Iraq war anyone ever saw. My hard spot with this is that it isn't happening.

Kill people, sure. Topple a foreign government, fine. Spend lots of money doing it... if we have to. The thinking is that it

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

wholesaler1972: perfect, for two points.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

well...just because that's the way the game is played doesn't mean it's right...

what was I thinking? there I go again with that whole common sense thinking getting in the way of reality.

:)

I think you died inside GUESTZERO a long time ago. The hate you have for this country has been well documented in your comments at Toledo Talk and now has spilled over onto Swamp Bubbles. I almost feel sorry for you. "All evil and unhappiness in this world comes from the I-concept."

"All evil and unhappiness in this world comes from the I-concept."

fish I think you're a little off when you talk of the Reagan Republicans and Cheney.

I also have a problem with this statement. "It's also going to take a lot of tax money to fund the research for all of the alternative fuels." Why should taxpayers pay for the research? Hybrids are already available why can't the car companies continue that research?

The truth is because the American consumer hasn't changed. I've been critical of anti-war groups but one I have no problem with is The Detroit Project. They have the right idea. They are trying to get the COMPANIES to start producing more energy efficient and alternative fuel vehicles. The problem is the American consumer hasn't changed. If people really want to make an impact on the environment in this way and an impact on foreign policy this way they need to do it with their wallet.

By doing it that way the stock market doesn't collapse, tax money can be better spent on other programs, and Republicans and Democrats alike can support the issue.

But the responsibility is on you and me. I know my cars all get 30miles plus a gallon and so will my next vehicle. What will you buy next?

MikeyA

MikeyA

I agree mostly with your point MadJack.

Unfortunatly we can't even steal the oil. We're hated enough with just having influence on countries in the area that produce oil. If we stole it we'd be the one they hate the most instead of Israel.

The only way to diminish the influence of the Middle East is to take away it's bargaining chip. If we were less dependant on foreign oil then they would have less stable economies and less pull on the world stage. Basically they'd be reduced to the ammount of significance most African countries have (except South Africa, due to diamond trade).

I'm sorry to have to say this but regardless of what political party is in charge we're going to have more military dealings in the Middle East. To where and to what scale has yet to be determined.

MikeyA

MikeyA

... occur in people like yourself who refuse to critique or stop your government when it operates a worldwide murder machine for your middling benefit? Isn't the real death inside primarily your failure to sympathize for the plight of those under American bombs?

The real documentation involved here is the extension of the Murder Century into this new century. This frenzied scrabbling for oil is going to lead to nuclear warfare. And who exactly has the leading nuclear arsenal? {pause for effect}

At any rate, you patriotic shitbags have essentially killed off the Republic. You're drowning yourself and everyone else in your militant venom.

Nice, MikeyA. To which I would add, this method has been proven successful before in other industries.

If you want to see R&D investment, using a combination of taxation, regulation and government funding will produce results. Consider: R&D money becomes tax free, enact new law about fuel efficiency (SUVs and soccer momz), throw a billion or so in start up funds for new engineering companies willing to build a more efficient mouse trap.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

You're right that progress has been made with hybrids but based on the news coming from Detroit, Ford losing billions and GM just solvent, they don't have the money to invest big changes, they have to focus on selling their current products.

From what I've read, ethanol is more expensive to produce and the vehicles that currently have flex fuel capability get no better fuel effiency. Hearing those reports worries me for this area wanting to be the leader in ethanol production. It appears Detroit has already written off this technology.

I drive a Honda Accord, not a hybrid though, because in my opinion, the hybrid vehicle did not warrant the extra $4000.

At least your reply was short and to the point instead of your long windbag replies. By the way, do you have to make a point by using the F word along with your long list of vulgarities?" All evil and unhappiness in this world comes from the I-concept."

"All evil and unhappiness in this world comes from the I-concept."

Agreed the technology is still pretty expensive but with extending and increasing tax breaks to those who buy them is a way the government could help it.

Unfortunatly the government won't change because we've been in love with SUV's ever since O.J. and A.C. took the white Bronco for a spin.

MikeyA

MikeyA

... so get fucking used to it. You can't control the debate by complaining about the words, and then sneak off leaving no content-rich spoor behind.

In support of that truth, your own posts seem packed with the empty calories of the creamy filling of style that (poorly) disguises a singular lack of intellectually-nutritious content. Instead of dealing with issues raised, you loudly and immaturely complain about "long windedness" and then settle back on your Neo-Con ass, letting the default propaganda mechanism mold that dismissal into some sort of effective answer. Pathetic. Utterly fucking pathetic.

You're a child of the TV age, that's for sure. You remind me of the Barbie{tm} doll that whined that "math class is hard!".

News Flash for ya, dumb bunny: Public debate requires DEBATE. Grab a dictionary and bone up on what that word really means.

i

"All evil and unhappiness in this world comes from the I-concept."

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