Do you support ANY tax levy from a body who refuses to review their budget for cuts first? (TPS, Toledo City etc.)

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I would support a tax levy if the requesting body had reviewed the existing budget and made the appropriate cuts.
71% (12 votes)
I would support a tax levy if the requesting body had not reviewed the budget.
29% (5 votes)
Total votes: 17
No votes yet

You have only 2 ways to vote on the levy. You need 3. The third being "I would not support a tax levy regardless if they reviewed existing budgets or not".

"All evil and unhappiness in this world comes from the I-concept."

How about those of us who will not support any kind of tax levy at all? Don't we get a vote?

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

I don't say a way to edit this poll, I'll do a new one. (And I think in some cases the property re-valuation IS a back door tax increase, but I could be wrong :-)

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

You are now the poll queen in my book :) Your newest one is a good one.

There is a simple solution to the failure of public education. PAY TEACHERS MORE YOU FOOLS. While you may have failed in school, that does not mean your children have to. Teachers are not babysitters, nor should they be. Teachers should educate your children, not take care of them. Teachers are there to educate, and frankly, the newest teachers are not up to snuff because morons like the urban coalition and their members all did not succeed in school, and as a result they're bitter.

The solution is that if you want better teachers, pay them more. This once again proves that the urban coalition knows nothing of basic economics, probably because they received C's in junior high and didn't finish high school.

Wake up Toledo, support your schools, end charter schools, and pay your teachers more. Also, take an interest in your kids schoolwork at home, and that doesn't mean spending time at a school board meeting, that means helping your kids with homework. Wake up.

Ohio has a constitutional responsibility to provide an adequate public education. Place the blame where it deserves to go. More importantly, stop being stupid.

There is a simple solution to the failure of public education. PAY TEACHERS MORE YOU FOOLS

can you explain mighigan? their state's pay is at the very top, but the schools' performance is constantly in the middle. paying their teachers more money hasn't helped them.

http://www.schoolmatters.com/app/compareresults?stype=SM&mtype=&mlvl=0&s...

http://www.schoolmatters.com/app/data/q/stid=23/llid=111/stllid=208/loci...

http://www.schoolmatters.com/app/data/q/stid=36/llid=111/stllid=173/loci...

in fact, ohio outperforms the higher-paying state up north.

any thoughts on that?

Take for example the country who instituted their own version of 'Public' education. The quality of the education decreased as the system itself escalated in size. They mandated tax funding and the system grew and became even less effective in terms of providing education.

So THAT government 'mandated' attendance, in that parents were ordered by law to send their children to the public schools. Unless they were wealthy and could afford a private school.

All the while, there was no quality control - this was a system that answered largely to no one. If parents didn't participate in it they could lose custody of their kids. The government took larger and larger rates of taxation to pay for this system - in effect it preyed upon the 'public' to feed it's ever larger appetite. All the while a small minority were complaining that the children were not being educated and there was no accountability or measure in place to even see what was or was not being accomplished.

That country was the United States of America.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

In this town, not really.

Agreed - I don't support them raising taxes...I support them cutting the non-mandatory things until their budget is in line with revenue. And if revenue declines, then so do expenditures.

EVERYONE is on a fixed budget. We can't just go to our bosses and say 'gee - my city raised my taxes, give me a raise, too.'

It's time for government to live within its means - same as all of us.

Actually, when the property taxes go up, the 'inside millage' (that which isn't voted on, but is assessed) gets applied against the new value ... this is different from the voted levies. If memory serves me right, I think the County was going to have an increase of around $2 million because of this...

If Michigan's teachers are allegedly so poorly performing for their high rates of pay, then by Junta's metrics you have to pay them even MORE. That'll fix it! {snort}

The truth is that the educational establishment is overpaid at all levels. Such a corrupt school board like our own funnels a portion of the budget into construction projects that benefit their construction-mafia connections. Another portion gets funneled into the pockets of lavishly overpaid administrators. Another large portion is shoveled into the pockets of the teachers with seniority, and then the dregs are dribbled into the pockets of clerks and subs, as well as utility expenses. Any dollar more you put into such a corrupt system is largely seized by the board, admins and the teachers' union -- which largely doesn't fulfill Junta's farcical sentiment, we must note.

We need to tell Junta and the rest of Toledo that throwing money at problems is a good way to simply waste that money. We also need to tell everyone that you have to work for your money, and your work must be measured in order to determine the quality of your output. Teachers have been resisting such measurements, so we know exactly who we need to ignore -- the teachers. Since we're footing the bills, we can just dictate terms to them, and if they don't like those terms, they can just pack their bags and go. The TPS is clearly intimating that it wants be to choose between "underpaid and underperforming" and "underpaid and unknown" -- and I can quickly choose the unknown, since I already do NOT accept the underperformance of the current education culture.

We need to express that there is a long line of people looking to get each cushy teacher job, so all the teacher complaints and dishonesty need to be dismissed in very practical ways, even up to outright replacements. I have no moral problem with replacing people who REFUSE to do the work to acceptable standards, and as well who REFUSE to take responsibility for the work.

How much more should we pay them? How much is enough for the 'product' they're producing - which is educated children?

And if we pay them more now, and don't see the changes we want to see in the educational level of the kids, do we then reward them with MORE money?

The American educational system is becoming an outstanding example of the Peter Principle.

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BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

We can't just go to our bosses and say 'gee - my city raised my taxes, give me a raise, too.'

Even if we did get a raise it would just mean a higher income that the city could collect income tax on. More money for them...status quo for me.

Just like the home evaluations this past year. It appears on the surface that since no new property taxes were approved, just raise the value of the homes and collect more taxes. My home value went up 25,ooo dollars therefore increasing my property tax liability. I made no improvements to my property that would warrent an increase in valuation. On the contrary, my neighborhood is becoming older and more run down. Looking at it you would think that my property value would have decreased; and it has if I were to try to sell my home. There is no way I can sell my home for what the auditor appraised it at.

And to make matters worse...I live in the flood plain of Swan Creek where a levi was constructed in 1995. The cost was assesed to our property taxes for 10 years. This special assesment was supposed to be paid off in 2007. "Oh Boy" I think! In 2007 I will save approximatley 400.00 a year in taxes because the dam will be paid for. Silly me! Any savings I would have realized were lost just as sure as if that damn levi broke and they were washed away in the flood of water.

By raising my property evaluation, the increase in property taxes negated any savings I would have realized after the special assesment was lifted.

If man has no tea in him, he is incapable of understanding truth. ~Japanese Proverb

And if we pay them more now, and don't see the changes we want to see in the educational level of the kids, do we then reward them with MORE money?

Of course we do. That's what we've been doing in the past, and the only reason it hasn't worked is that we haven't thrown enough money at the problem.

Now, if I could only convince my (soon to be ex) employer that this is the correct way to treat employees, I'd be all set. For life.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack